Victoria Australia. Martial Arts Weapons May Be Banned!

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The Warrigal

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While a (mostly), friendly rivalry has always existed between the States of New South Wales and Victoria, it would seem that this ossession with outdoing each other has finally reached the level of full blown mental illness where some State politicians are concerned.

Many New South Wales politicians, seem to take an almost perverse pride in the fact that "THEIR" State boasts the longest list of Prohibited Weapons than any other jurisdiction in Australia.

However, it would now seem that certain Victorian State Ministers are hell bent on beating even NSW in the race to see who can come up with the most idiotic and incomprehensible weapons laws.

While the information below is of greater urgency to Australians than Americans, US THR Forumers, and other Pro-2nd Ammendment Activists, may find the insights into the Victorian State Governments tactics here instructive in their own battle with anti-gun/ anti self-defence Governments on their own turf.

In view of the fact that even many Aussies are as yet not adequately informed about the full implications of this latest assault on our Rights, I felt the article below deserved the widest possible audience.

Forewarned is forearmed.



The following information pertaining to the proposed Victorian Weapons Laws appeared in this months Double Edition of Blitz Australasian Martial Arts Magazine Vol. 14 No.12 Page 23.

"GOVERNMENT LEGISLATION EXPOSED

Weapons may be banned!!!

All martial arts weapons in Victoria are set to become illegal under the new weapons regulations Regulatory Impact Statement (RIS). In what has been seen by many as a secretly proposed undertaking , the new Weapons Act will turn all martial artists currently owning traditional weapons, into criminals. These weapons include nunchuku, sai, tonfa, knives, karma, throwing stars, butterfly swords, cross-bows, tanto and wakazashi. Under the Act, such weapons may not be imported, manufactured, advertised for sale, possessed, carried, sold, or even displayed. The Act provides no 'buy back' scheme, nor satisfactory provision for collectors.

In what seems like a one-sided affair, over twenty five non-martial arts organisations were consulted by the Justice Department regarding the regulation changes. These organisations include Dick Smith and Tandy Electronics, which have little if any relevance to the changes. Other departments include the Victorian Community Council Against Violence, the Office of Women's Policy, Department of Treasury and Finance and the State Coroner.

Consultation for the proposed Regulations included only one Martial Arts Industry Association who were revealed to be based in NSW. Although some historical arms clubs were contacted, no other martial arts organisations were consulted. The deadline for the submission of views on the proposed changes was conveniently set for Friday October 27, 2000, a date which had obviously lapsed before the great majority of martial arts organisations were even made aware of the proposed changes. It is an outrage that legislation changes of this nature should be made in this way. The Act will disrupt businesses and effect competitions, clubs, organisations, not to mention an estimated 100,000 legitimate martial arts practicioners. This will mean that martial arts weapons will no longer be able to be bought or sold over the counter without a special exemption licence. The proposed prohibited weapon exemption licence will cost around $120 every three years, and will only be available from the Cheif Commissioner of Police. Anticipated waiting time between application and approval for exemption is between 6 to 12 months. This means that if you presently own any martial arts weaponry, you will likely become a criminal while you wait for approval. Once legislation goes through, it is anticipated that the Department of Justice will push for the same regulatory rules to licence and register the instruction of all martial arts and self-defence classes. The proposed changes to the Act while masked as reducing the risks of injury and crime, will generate a significant resource of income for the government. In addition to an 'all in the same bag' approach ("they look nasty, let's ban them all"), the RIS contains no evidence that the weapons proposed for prohibition have been used in crimes. Without a doubt this is an important Rights issue, as fear and prejudice are motives behind the RIS proposal.

Something must be done, and you can help!!

All martial arts organisations and martial artists are urged to join in halting these proposed changes. If you would like to own or continue to possess any martial arts weapon you must voice your opinion now!!

Check out the Regulatory Impact Statement (RIS) made by the Department of Justice, visit www.justice.vic.gov.au and contact your local Member of Parliament. Additional views can be sent to:"

Mr. Brendan Facey
Senior Policy Advisor
Justice Policy
Level 3, 55 Andrews Place
East Melbourne VIC 3002
Tel: (03) 9651 6936
Fax: (03) 9651 6922
Email: [email protected]


PS.

Further detail concerning the proposed Victorian Weapons Act, including it's enforcement provisions may be found here:

http://www.justice.vic.gov.au/CA256...ions+2003?OpenDocument&1=10-Listing~&2=-Headl ines~&3=0-Draft+Control+of+Weapons+and+Firearms+%28Search+Powers%29+Regulations+2003~

As has already been noted by several observers, these laws, should they go into effect, (and I fear they will), will effectively kill off most if not all Medieval Re-Enactment Societies in Victoria.

The legal liabilities involved even for those lucky enough to obtain permits, are likely to become so prohibitively expensive that even Olympic style Fencing may be legislated out of existence!
 
As a practitioner of Shorin Ryu, I cannot even conjure up an appropriate response to this insanity. It seems as if the Australian Govt. wants to keep in check anyone with the ability to defend him/ herself. THIS IS SO BIZARRE IT ALMOST SEEMS MADE UP. Someone please tell me this isn't happening.
 
Nuts! I guess everybody will have to carry a walking staff now.
 
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Nuts! I guess everybody will have to carry a walking staff now.
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unless they ban tose to.....

I certainly wouldn't recommend you try walking down the street with one even now ... unless you'd like to explain to the nice policeman just what the heck you thought you were doing ....

There is NO tolerance for any form of self-defence implement. As a senior cop said here in Perth: "If I catch you walking down the street with a knife in your pocket, you better have a rod over your shoulder and your hands had better smell of fish!"
 
So how long until the wearing of handcuffs by all citizens is manditory ... afterall, hands can be weapons too (but if you just cut them off, then your arms become clubs).
 
Hey Warrigal....

Not to rain on the "we've banned more than you have" competition between N.S.W. and Victoria, but all these things and more are already illegal here in the N.T.:(

There are two wall posters at every Territory Police station
"Prohibited Weapons-Part I" and "Prohibited Weapons-Part II"...
I can usually manage to read about half of one before getting the sense of being a character in some poorly-authored plagiarism of "1984":barf:

"How bad is it?", some of you Yanks who can but imagine this state of hoplophobia might ask?

I was retrieving a gift parcel of 20 empty .303 cases which had been diverted by Australian Customs until I had secured the proper import permit from the N.T. Police.

When the Sergeant handed them to me for inspection before signing the release form, I did the unforgivable...I reached into my pocket like any old Hoosier farmboy and got my Victorinox to cut the string tape with.
:eek: :eek:

The Sergeant said: "I definitely did NOT see that!" by way of cautioning me that it was an arrestable offence in the N.T.:what:

Someone asked about boomerangs.
The weapon of choice for many Aboriginals here is the "nulla-nulla', or simply a club picked up on the spot. Hatchets (called "tomahawks" by Australians) seem to figure in quite a few local assaults, as do rocks and bottles.

The disappointing thing is, as Bruce relates, the ZERO tolerance for any potential defensive weapon.

Y'all oughtn't to think it can't happen there...all it takes is for the sheep to accept that such legislation "makes (insert jurisdiction name here) safer".
 
But gun registration was never a "slippery slope", oh no. Just a "common sense" public safety measure...
 
A lot of these are already illegal in California. Except "karma" of course.

I thought there was an effort to make bad karma illegal in Kali?
 

Any knives? How in the hell do you separate matter that needs separating? :cuss:

reached into my pocket like any old Hoosier farmboy and got my Victorinox to cut the string tape with. The Sergeant said: "I definitely did NOT see that!" by way of cautioning me that it was an arrestable offence in the N.T

Oh. :uhoh:

Chris
 
lets play the game of whats next.
Its sad because i cant think of anything else to ban. Didnt they ban knifes in that ban?

Turn in your assault katanas!
 
I've always wondered if any politician could explain the logic of banning both, and only, balisongs and switchblades.

Why switchblades? Well, uh, because they're so easy and lightning fast to open, that's why!
OK, so why balisongs? Well, uh, because they're so difficult to open that doing it fast requires lots of training and practice! Surely you can see the danger in having folding knives that are either too fast or too slow to open? It's similar to the dangers posed by .50 caliber giant cannons when combined with the threat to society from Pocket Rockets. . . . .

Sorry, I got of the topic there. Your politicians are idiots.
 
I don't see the big deal here.

This is just an extension of the thinking that makes banning firearms illegal: "it doesn't matter that none of these people have ever used their weapons against others, -- the only thing that matters is that they could. Besides, who needs a [sniper rifle | machine gun | pocket rocket | semi-automatic] anyway? Protection of the populace against a great potential harm outweighs any hobbiest interest, or the fantasies of paranoids."

I'd guess these same people are saying "no-one needs a sword -- what, do you think you'll be magically transported back into feudal Japan or something?"

Get ready for it. After they get rid of walking sticks, pocket knives, long kitchen knives, and crow-bars, they'll be looking for the next thing to ban. My guess? Martial arts training, described as "assassin training centers" or some such.

It doesn't matter when a police bigwig in New Jersey goes on national TV and states that statistically his officers are at a greater risk of being attacked by an escaped tiger than with a semi-automatic rifle with more than 10-round capacity. It doesn't matter that bullet-proof vests are an inherently defensive tool. It doesn't matter that criminals are better armed than before the bans took effect, while the general population is disarmed. It doesn't matter that the discipline martial artists build serves as a greater deterrent to the initiation of force than any legislation.

You're dealing with irrational people, who care more about feelings than with facts. They might stop when the only arms in society are held by the government -- after all, you don't see them screaming to take guns away from cops, now, do you?
 
Hi fallingblock.

I haven't visited the NT as yet.

While I would have found it hard to beleive that any State or Territory in OZ could dream up more schizophrenic weapons legislation than NSW, your post confirms that there are no limits to the idiocy of what is charitably called "the official mind."

It appears to know no geographical limitations either.

Bruce In West Oz.

The situation you describe in WA sounds similar to that here in New South Wales.

I am occassionally obliged to carry a cane as a result of a lower back problem.

But I sure as hell wouldn't dare carry it in Sydney without making sure I had a Doctors Certificate to prove that I really needed it!

Here in NSW we have seen the passage of three peices of strongly pro self-defence legislation in recent years.

BUT.

While our laws now give us a Statutory Right to defend ourselves from unprovoked assault, our legislators still do all in their power to make sure that we are stripped of the very tools which make effective self-defence a viable proposition for most Citizens.

Judging from some of the posts on this thread from Australia, the US and Europe, this trend towards the complete and unconditional disarmament of the common Citizenry, would seem to be part of a disturbing worldwide pattern.

One which appears to be escalating, and the precise origin of which still remains unclear.

Someone asked wether we might see the day when M/A schools might be described as "schools for assassins" or something of that sort.

Well, only last year the Victorian State Police Minister came close to doing just that.

It would seem that a television news story regarding the existence of a Victorian based self-defence school, teaching Military CQC, so "outraged" the Minister that he demanded that Police investigate the school, and stated publically that even if the school was NOT in breach of any laws, he would legislate to close it down anyway!

Last year was an Election year for Victorians, so most people just assumed that the Minister was grandstanding for a headline.

Few took him seriously.

Judging from more recent developements in Victoria, this was evidently a big mistake on the part of the local M/A community.
 
Hi, The Warrigal...................

"I haven't visited the NT as yet."
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It's a great place (same idiot politicians as elsewhere), with a lot of independent-mindet folks who still live a frontier lifestyle in many ways.
If you get up here, come out to the Alice Springs Shooting Complex and we'll set up some silhouettes.:D


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"While I would have found it hard to beleive that any State or Territory in OZ could dream up more schizophrenic weapons legislation than NSW, your post confirms that there are no limits to the idiocy of what is charitably called "the official mind."
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That's for sure! Of late the "official mind" of all Australian Government seems to have lost its sanity where weapons are involved....kind of an epidemic of hoplophobia:eek:

Bob Carr and his minions do seem particularly stricken, however.:rolleyes:

Our 'light-for-his-portfolio' Police Minister, Paul Henderson, stridently insisted that fingerprinting be a condition of the 'new' arms licence, despite the fact that this was not a Commonwealth requirement.

We resisted firmly and he was forced to drop (reluctantly) the fingerprinting requirement.

When asked why he wanted it in the first place, his answer was a classic revelation of "the official mindset"....

"Because that way we could eliminate you licenced shooters from the crime scene immediately.":barf: :barf:

You're right about keeping that doctor's certificate handy for your cane.
I use an aluminum alpine stick for my wobbly balance and without that certificate I'd be 'de-sticked' in a flash :(
 
It's worse than we think...

Their government's really protecting them now...
TWO YEARS for SUI (Slingin' Under the Influence)?

http://www.couriermail.news.com.au/...55E1702,00.html

Tough fines for slingshots

31aug03
QUEENSLANDERS misusing slingshots will face up to two years' jail under new laws to be introduced later this year.

Police Minister Tony McGrady said today recent events had forced the government to take the tough action.

This year has seen a spate of slingshot incidents in Brisbane, Townsville and the Gold Coast resulting in six men being charged over thousands of dollars in damage to homes and businesses.

Mr McGrady said under the new laws it would be an offence to possess a slingshot and engage in conduct likely to cause death or injury, unlawful destruction or damage to property or alarm someone.

It would also be an offence to possess a slingshot while under the influence of liquor or a drug.

The maximum penalty would be two years' jail or a $7,500 fine.

"These devices have the capacity to cause major damage and to kill," Mr McGrady said.

"When loaded with ball bearings or similar objects they are potentially lethal weapons and we should never forget this."

Children would still be able to play with small toy slingshots, Mr McGrady said.

:cuss:
 
Since...;
the mind is the primary weapon, offence or defence;

And sticks, stones, firearms, salt cellars, slings etc are accessory tools of the mind.

It would seem that total disamament would require disabling the mind.

It is evident that those who put these politicians in power have been disarmed. Brains sucked out.

Politicians and other criminals bear close scrutiny at all times and, like diapers, need changing often. For the same reason.

Sam
 
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