violent crimes against gun shop owners

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I know this is morbid but I have to do the research. Just wondering if anyone knows where I can get recent statistics on violent crimes against gun shop owners. I am hoping to prove that it doesn't happen often. My family is concerned about my recent venture. I feel that any store owner is susceptible to robbery that could lead to murder. Are gun store owners more at risk? Just wondering what you all think. Thanks is advance.
 
Gun stores (at least in my experience) just about always have two or more employees. And it's a safe bet to assume that they're armed (either openly or concealed).

As for statistics, I'd imagine they're rather low.
 
Most gun stores are burgled, not robbed. The criminals aren't stupid enough to commit a heist when the owner and/or employee(s) are present.

Now, if you were working at a convenience store then your parents would have cause to worry.
 
I'm not sure you'll find much as far as statistics broken down by type of store. However, you could probably search the web for incidents at gun stores and find a few examples. Then, provide counter examples, like working at a Lane Bryant store (recent IL shooting), or any other number of "normal" places. Heck, find post office references from a few years back. You could also likely find stats on home invasions etc. All these events are pretty rare so try not to scare 'em too much.
 
Bob Moats gunshop here in Richmond was robbed at gunpoint by four idiots about 3 years ago. No one was injured, but I'm sure it was pretty terrifying for the guy that was working at the time. Something like that could easily trigger PTSD.

The four idiots were identified within hours and caught within a day or two. They abandoned their getaway car at a nearby apartment community and switched to another vehicle. It was the perfect crime, except for one little problem -- the getaway car they abandoned was registered to one of the idiots. Dumber than a box of hair they were. They currently reside in the state prison system at taxpayer expense.

That's the only violent gunstore robbery I can recall near Richmond in the last 20 years. There was a big heist at Green Top about 10-12 years ago, but it occurred during the middle of the night when the thieves crashed a stolen truck thru the side of the building. They were also eventually caught and sent to prison, but it took a couple of years to track them down.

p.s. I don't see where working in a gunstore is any more dangerous than any other type of retail store. I'll take a gunstore over 7-11 any day. Lots of bank and convenience store robberies in the Richmond area. No gunstore robberies other than the Bob Moats robbery.
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So far goes with what I was thinking. Why try to knock off a gun shop during business hours when you know there is a 99% chance you will encounter armed opposition. But there are a lot of dumb crooks out there.
 
We had a gunshop in Topeka robbed at gunpoint.

Guy walks in, asks to see a 1911. Shop owner hands one to him, as he sees to another customer the guy pulls a loaded clip from his pocket, loads the pistol and the robbery's on.

Guy gets away with day's receipts, some guns and a 2002 Tahoe. Guy's later caught in the Denver area after a vehicle chase, shots fired at cops and a wrecked Tahoe later.

The shop is now a appointment-only operation, however he hasn't returned any of my phone calls about some Hogue boot grips i ordered. (Sigh)
 
Not likely at my local place. The owner carries no less than three pistols on him and his assistant usually carries two as well.
 
1. Never work alone at a gun shop.
2. Never leave an employee alone in the store.
3. If the owner can afford it, he should hire at least two employees. That way they can take turns going to lunch, and there will still be at least two people in the store.
4. If you run a low volume store and can only afford one employee, you and the employee should pack a lunch every day and take turns eating in the store.
5. Everybody working should open carry a loaded weapon in the store. That way any thug(s) casing the place will know you're armed and ready.
6. The owner or an employee should never open or close the store by themselves. At least two of you should approach the door at the same time to open it in the morning. Also everybody should leave together when you lock up in the evening. Keep your eyes peeled.
7. Pay close attention to everybody who comes in the store, especially groups of three or more. Whenever three or more people enter the store together, everybody working in the store should spread out some. Don't stand close together. Be cautious and alert, but not paranoid.
8. If a group comes in and wants to look at some guns, don't just hand them several weapons at the same time. Show them one or two weapons at a time, then put them up before you let them handle a couple more weapons. Never let them handle more than two at a time.
9. Don't let customers and the public use the restroom. Politely inform them it's private if they ask.
10. If you can afford it, be sure to invest in a good electronic security system, including silent alarm and security camera(s).
 
Working as a paramedic in Santa Clara county the only one I knew of there in 18 years was the National Shooting Club incident where a-uh-'customer' tried to take a hostage. I responded on that and one of the employees had executed a darn near perfect center of mass shot with something that looked like it started with a .4 when the perp presented himself against a concrete block wall.

It was a short incident.

Oh, and I never saw it in the papers or on the news.
 
I am certain of the security cameras and a good alarm system. I think I need to get recent home invasion statistics as well since I am going to be starting running business out of part of my home.
 
The criminals aren't stupid enough to commit a heist when the owner and/or employee(s) are present.
At least some of them are. Massad Ayoob recalls one such incident in his book The Ayoob Files. And then there was that future Darwin Award winner who tried to steal a piece from a Florida gun shop (so he could "rescue Terry Schiavo") by brandishing a boxcutter at the openly-carrying owner.

Some are indeed stupid enough, while some are just a taco shy of a blue plate special.
 
A friend of mine told me of a shop in New Hampshire that sold UZIs (in the '80s).

A guy came in, got behind the counter, took one off the wall and said "I'm taking this."

The shop owner pulled his 1911 and said "No you're not..."

The thief said "Mine's bigger."

The owner said "Mine's loaded, that one ain't."

And the rest is history...
 
since the one closest to me has as a range that is always busy along with three employees and a gunsmith in, I doubt they've been robbed, at least not successfully.
 
Their was a local gun shop burgalarized back home that got put out of business because of it, but I haven't heard of one ever being ribbed while occupied. The local gun shop here usually has 4-5 exployees behind the counter and about another 4-5 in the clothing and fishing section of the gun store not to mention the gunsmoths upstairs. Some open carry and you can bet the others are concealed carrying...you've got to be a REAL darwin candidate to try and rob a gun store with 10 armed men walking around :D
 
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