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Virginia's next move

Discussion in 'Activism Discussion and Planning' started by jr45, Nov 7, 2019.

  1. jr45

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    As you know, NOVA and portions of the Tidewater areas, which have the largest populations and portions of transplants (both legal and illegal), have completely lost touch with the rest of Virginia and are heavily influenced by outside entities. For those who have not joined, look at joining and supporting organizations such as Virginia Citizens Defense League https://vcdl.org/, Gun Owners of America https://gunowners.org/. the NRA, etc.. With the foolishness that is going to be heading our way, we need to muster our resources to challenge them and just not capitulate to whatever they send us. Not only is money needed, we will also have to become much more politically active (contacting state delegates, senators, attending rallies)...This may also include taking a day off or so from work to attend some of these events. Any other suggestions are welcomed.
     
  2. HighRoadRover

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    I agree! The laws being planned are draconian and the timelines for implementation are short.
     
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  3. Mike OTDP

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    A piece of advice from Maryland...pack the state house and testify against these bills.
     
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    Most of Gov. Northam's antigun bills (UBC, red flag, one-gun-a-month) are high in the legislative priority and are virtually done deals. But, there is some latitude on the really bad ones, which are the AWB and the repeal of state preemption. Northam himself was specifically asked if the AWB will include confiscation, and he waffled. I think that some effective lobbying can at least get us grandfathering.
     
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    As I said, the key will be to pack the statehouse full of very unhappy voters. As in overflowing.
     
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    Below is what was posted from another site. This is what was proposed the past July and will likely be proposed in Jan. It will make us felons, literally! It’s absolutely sickening to read.

     
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    I hope that works. We did that here in Colorado and they still shoved it down our throats on a party line vote. I'm not trying to be discouraging, but that is their resolve.
     
  8. jr45

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    What was required to be surrendered in CO? Looking back, what actions folks there would have done differently?
     
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    ...and it's spreading. I fear we in Texas will be facing such disregard for the constitution and human decency in the near future.
     
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  10. AlexanderA
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    With the caveat that whatever is introduced this coming January is likely to differ from the bill that was introduced last summer, the above conclusion is incorrect. Read the bill! (HB 4021.) Here is the relevant part:

    "Assault firearm" means:

    1. A semi-automatic center-fire rifle that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds;

    2. A semi-automatic center-fire rifle that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the rifle; (iii) a thumbhole stock; (iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (v) a bayonet mount; (vi) a grenade launcher; (vii) a flare launcher; (viii) a silencer; (ix) a flash suppressor; (x) a muzzle brake; (xi) a muzzle compensator; (xii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting (a) a silencer, (b) a flash suppressor, (c) a muzzle brake, or (d) a muzzle compensator; or (xiii) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (xii);

    3. A semi-automatic center-fire pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds;

    4. A semi-automatic center-fire pistol that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a thumbhole stock; (iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iv) the capacity to accept a magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (v) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the pistol with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (vi) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; (vii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting (a) a silencer, (b) a flash suppressor, (c) a barrel extender, or (d) a forward handgrip; or (viii) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (vii);

    5. A shotgun with a revolving cylinder that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material; or

    6. A semi-automatic shotgun that expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material that has one of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a thumbhole stock, (iii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the shotgun, (iv) the ability to accept a detachable magazine, (v) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of seven rounds, or (vi) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (v).
    You can see from (4) above that ordinary semiauto pistols (with a magazine contained in the pistol grip) are not included. What they are trying to get at are things like AR "pistols."

    Don't get me wrong. This thing is plenty bad enough. We need to confront it honestly, though.

    ETA: Postings on other gun forums are cutting off the above definition after (3). Then they're interpreting "fixed magazine capacity" to mean "the ability to accept a removable magazine." That enables them to jump to the conclusion that all semiautomatic pistols would be banned. The intellectual dishonesty (or simple inability to read) is mind boggling. This won't serve us well, even for propaganda purposes.
     
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  11. jr45

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    No matter how you read it, anything that is considered an "assault weapon" is under the turn them in or you are a felon literary! Many of the newly elected, who disdain your rights, stated they plan on re-introducing this bill from the past Jul in Jan session. Remember, their rights destroying agenda will not stop at assault weapons nor with the 2nd amendment.
     
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    VA and ANY other state or local entity pays their loyal servants er, lawyers from an endless pot of ca$h called, the general fund. Firearms rights groups pays their attorneys from...private donations....

    Be a PRIVATE DONATOR to ANY pro-2A groups is extra-very-important and especially now in VA. Oh, and when the VCDL roars, other lesser animals:alien: in the jungle quiver.

    FPC, GOA, SAF, NRA Life member, here. Donated to out of state lawsuits, and YES, every bit helps whether $5, 10, 20, or $1000:what: it ALL adds up, and is based on the common lowly $1 bill. Give something, don't hold your constitutionally protected precious freedoms cheap...



    NO EXCUSES!!
     
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    Agreed, but the AWB, as previewed last summer, is widely seen as a "bridge too far." At least for this upcoming session of the legislature. They're going to go after the low-hanging fruit first.

    More worrisome is a stand-alone magazine ban, and repeal of state preemption. If state preemption is repealed, you could expect a wave of county and city AWB's in NoVa. (That would hurt me as badly as a state AWB.)

    Virginia is headed for gun laws that are worse than those in neighboring Maryland. (It looks like it would be possible to store banned magazines in Maryland, and be legal. West Virginia would be even better, though farther away.)

    There's going to be a run on 10-round magazines, so that modern semiauto pistols could remain usable. I would suggest buying what you need as soon as possible.

    If the VCDL goes into "mitigation mode" rather than simple stonewalling, it could make a real difference in the final outcome. The time for stonewalling is over.
     
  14. jr45

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    I fear thousands of us will literally be made into felons. Even if a grandfathering was approved, it would not last long until another law is passed to have us turn in whatever. Since the left now have a trifecta, our only hope is prevent as many silly laws as we can because once they are on the books, good luck getting them off even if they other party wins one of legislative bodies next time.

    Also, I donated to VCDL last night. Everyone else should donate and get ready to participate in the rallies and other events.
     
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    I for one will not be made into a felon, and I intend to keep my guns. They can't touch what you might happen to own outside the state. Inconvenient, yes.
    How exactly do you propose to do this? Perhaps -- perhaps -- there are still some rural Democrats in the legislature that are not willing to 100% sign on to the governor's antigun agenda. Obviously the Republicans are no longer in a position to help. This shows the folly of the gun lobby in refusing to dialogue with the Democrats, and in becoming an arm of the Republicans.
    Pro-gun rallies have a history of poor participation. If you gather a few dozen people at the state capitol, it shows weakness rather than strength. This is not smart strategically. A poorly-attended rally is worse than no rally at all.
     
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  16. hso

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    Folks,

    Ranting and other nonconstructive posts does no good and has no place in Activism so posts that aren't working on viable and practical solutions for Virginia are going to keep disappearing. Follow the rules in Activism so something useful might be presented or go the General and add to the noise there.
     
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  17. IlikeSA

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    Not surrendered, but prohibited: full size magazines, BGC free private sales.

    If I could have gone back in time, I may have testified in support of their proposals as an extremist of some type that the left could not stomach to be joined in hand with.
     
  18. DoubleMag

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    Does VA have a ballot initiative process?
     
  19. GEM

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    When I read this debate, there is a fatal flaw. All reasonable analyses indicate that Virginia demographics have and are changing in a manner not supportive of gun rights. So, folks are basically suggesting that a last gasp, lost cause effort to wring out the remaining progun voters might turn the tide. That won't happen. The conundrum is that gun rights have been tied, deliberately for cultural, marking and social reasons, to appeal primarily to conservatives. Outreach outside of that demographic is limited and usually denounced by many who want the gun world to be primarily culturally conservative.The NRA deliberately played that market slice as their folks saw it as most financially lucrative.

    Unless, you can reach into the other half of the country, gun rights will be restricted as rampages, shootings, outrages and crime indicate a solution of eliminating guns. That has surface validity to most folks not friendly to strong gun rights.

    I've said this before and many don't get it OR don't want to get it. When the best the NRA magazines can do is have covers that say: Stop the Socialist Wave, you've lost.
     
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    Amen
     
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  21. jr45

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    Of course demographics are changing in Virginia and else where, they are being imported by the thousands every day. However; I will not remain idle as any chance of improvement is better than zero chance.

    Link below is an assessment VCDL posted on another board. They will be having a large lobby day on 20 Jan 2020. Everyone needs to attend even if you need to take off time from work. I did not attend in the past due to work but will start taking off for these events. If there is any other suggestions on what will benefit this fight, please share.

    https://vaguntrader.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/1558119/Recent_Elections#Post1558119
     
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    Doing the same old thing in face of shrinking progun demographics is the same as being idle, IMHO. The current new legislature has already discounted the standard opposition. They won, why should they change their view. Can the same strategies actually change the opinion of the new legislators?

    Can you change the minds of the new folks coming into town? Otherwise, you end up like an isolated unit of the Japanese Army on some bypassed island. Guns folks just don't get this. Saying you have to do something is the motto of the gun banners. It works for them. Won't work for you.
     
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  23. badkarmamib

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    You're right. It should have been clear as a constitutional right. Apparently, the decision-makers can't read, and/or don't care. The advocacy groups gave up on VA. The GOP, while not perfect, but the closest to an ally that we have in electable representatives, gave up on VA. By the time the supporters and the courts turn things around, if they can, there will be nothing left to save. Call me a defeatist, or whatever. I voted, my votes all went towards wins in my area, but it no longer matters here. We are at the whim of a group that despises us, with the backing of voters who refuse to see the consequences of what they are voting for. For better or for worse, I am chosing to remain law-abiding, as my family needs me to be. If I can move out before losing everything, great, but I have too much invested in this area. "May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong side." Rant over, I'm out.
     
  24. 627PCFan

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    I think the message here is the next battle for us is not at the polls. Its in the courts. Strap up and sit tight.
     
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    Not only in the courts but also show a presence. The left disdain those who exercise their rights (not just the 2nd amendment) but they also fear organized resistance. We need to make ourselves visible in the courts and in public...make our presence felt. We must not just roll over and just take it! Any chance is better than none. Please look at joining organizations like VCDL and attend rallies!
     
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