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Discussion in 'Activism Discussion and Planning' started by drec, Aug 1, 2016.

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  1. Good Ol' Boy

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    And if you believe "your vote matters" I've got some ocean front property in Nevada to sell ya.

    There are several real world factual reasons why the "popular vote" doesn't matter, and hasn't for a long time. For starters, the EC (electoral college) is not legally bound to vote the way its constituents vote (popular vote). Add to that special interest groups, lobbying, general greed/corruption and it's easy to see how decisions can be made even before the first ballot is cast. The idea of our election process is great on paper but has long been manipulated to take away any say so we as the people have.

    I'm not saying not voting "does anything", but neither does voting once you realize the reality of the situation. I just refuse to participate in such a self loathing system. Voting just makes you part of the herd but accomplishes nothing more than not voting.
     
  2. Vern Humphrey

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    I have to tell you we are in a war for the future of this country. You can fight, or you can be a deserter. Those are the only choices you have.
     
  3. mikestone967

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    It's not a fight that you'll ever win at the ballot box...
    It's just a darn shame you don't see that...
     
  4. Vern Humphrey

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    And those who don't show up to vote are nothing more than deserters.
    It's just a darn shame you don't see that.
     
  5. george burns

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    If you don't vote, you are essentially giving up your rights and submitting to the will of someone who disagrees with all your beliefs. This accomplishes less than nothing, we are in a war here for our Country, closing your eyes is not an option.
     
  6. mikestone967

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    I do nothing of the sort. What makes you the one who determines what Rights I "give up" because I refuse to elect the lesser of two evils?

    The United States is a Representative Constitutional Republic. As such, majority rule does NOT apply. A Republic protects the rights of the minority, the individual, even when YOU don't like it.

    You go right ahead and play the game. It won't change a damn thing and you know it! You just want to bitch at someone because they won't play your crooked game any more..

    As written by Dean Garrison,
    "A constitutional republic protects the rights of the individual even when their ideas are very much in the minority. If I were the only person in America who believed in the 2nd amendment, I would still be within my rights to call upon it. You would all think I was insane and possibly celebrate if I was gunned down, but in the end I would be the only true American among us."

    We don't live in a democracy. I do not have to play your games and "vote".

    I lose NOTHING by abstaining from voting. Period.
     
  7. mikestone967

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    Even a Rat knows enough to abandon a sinking ship..

    Shame you can't see THAT.
     
  8. Vern Humphrey

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    Well, I'm tempted explain what that makes people who give up the fight and let the forces of evil win.

    Maybe after thinking it over, you'll be able to see it.
     
  9. mikestone967

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    The only thing I "See" is an individual who actually thinks that voting will change ANYTHING!

    When the Second Revolution rolls around... Don't worry bout me, I'll be at the front of the line to restore this once great Constitutional Republic..

    Maybe.. Just maybe, we'll let you watch...
     
  10. Vern Humphrey

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    And what I see is a man who has abandoned the field and surrendered.

    What a load of hot air! Do you expect us to believe that a man who will not get off his keister to go to the polling place would actually FIGHT?
     
  11. mikestone967

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    Oh my Lord... The short sightedness you have. I am awake and aware. You, my friend are asleep at the wheel.

    There comes a time when a man has to do what he knows is Right, rather than just blindly follow the masses..
    Be careful as well because the "m" is sometimes silent..

    You can vote and pray that it helps. Me? I'll continue to harass my reps to let them know that they do not run me.

    People! Please.. Stop referring to our elected officials as our "leaders"!
    They are our EMPLOYEES!

    Oh yeah.. Consent Revoked.
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  12. mikestone967

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    Are you equating "voting" to "fighting"?

    Keister... Now I get it. That's a term my dear father used to use on me when I was a child. Sweet but ineffective.

    The only "ones" to abandon the field are those of you who continue to allow for the usurpation of the Law of the Land. The United States Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
    All laws repugnant to the Constitution are null and void..
    How about instead of "voting"... You head on over to your reps house and let him really know how you feel?

    It does not take a "man" to mark little boxes on paper. It sounds like a task for a child.
    The very fact that you believe in the "system" is the reason it has remained the same, corrupt.
    Sometimes it takes more than marking boxes on paper to effect change..
    Sometimes you have to put in the work..
     
  13. Vern Humphrey

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    Give it a rest. You've made your position clear.
     
  14. Good Ol' Boy

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    I don't know of a war ever in history that has been won with ballots. But fighting a war with ballots sure is a lot more comfortable isn't it?

    You obviously can not recognize that we are/have been at the point, for some time, in which ballots don't matter any more.

    Feel free to keep doing more of the same and expecting change, but I will not be part of it. I've long moved on from that mindset and can only hope that at some point folks will become aware of what is really going on in this country.


    Who knows, maybe Hillary will be the push this country needs to form some sort of worthwhile revolt? Or maybe everyone will just wait four more years and keep voting.
     
  15. Spats McGee

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    A word to the wise: The High Road is NOT a place where advocating the violent overthrow of our government will be tolerated.
     
  16. Good Ol' Boy

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    I agree and did NOT mean to imply that, just something other than voting or "contacting the already corrupted" as a form of conveying discontent.

    Think MLK million man march but way more than a million. Although I'm not sure such an orchestration could ever be realistically organized in this day and age. However, that idea is without a doubt activism and speaks to my point.
     
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    Agreed, but the idea of just refusing to vote as anything of value not only is ridiculous upon simple examination, but the very antipathy of activism. There's no act in it. OTOH, eschewing voting, but taking real action by staying in frequent contact with your local, state and federal officials, working in local political groups, informing the public of important policy and political issues and making your voice directly heard is true activism. As we've said, voting is not activism, it is the lowest effort in participating. Multiplying your voice and position by working with others to influence local and higher tier politics is the work of an activist. If mikestone967 is putting in the time with his representatives in government instead of voting then he's acting instead of sitting on the sidelines doing nothing (and it would have been very helpful in the discussion if he'd made that point instead of working so hard at making another).
     
  18. Good Ol' Boy

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    And what do you do when even your local elected officials are corrupt? As of this time the only local agencies I have trust in are LE and EMT's.

    So aside from voting or pandering to ANY elected officials what are your thoughts? Talking to local folks is basically useless. I live in a town with a 99% hardcore conservative base. It would be the same if it was 99% liberal. You're not going to change or open any minds.

    Looking at the bigger picture it seems that something needs to happen on a much larger scale than just "local activism". I don't know exactly what that should be but I refuse to play "the game" instilled in us from a young age. And I'm not accomplishing anything less than those that are involved but do not realize what they are involved with.
     
  19. mikestone967

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    Awake yet?

    Consent Revoked.
     
  20. Vern Humphrey

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    Let me point out that the idea is NOT to fight a shooting war, but rather to defeat the opposition politically. And it's surely a LOT more comfortable to sit back and gripe and talk about how brave we'll be when the revolution comes than it is to get up and WORK to make political change.
     
  21. barnbwt

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    Well, feel free to shout "sovereign citizen!" For all your tough talk about voting carrying no weight or being the easy way out, your quiet riot with no detectable consequence is even more feeble, and will collapse at the first challenge. Good luck with your lonely quest as an outlaw, I'm sure you'll live without any consequences.

    Side question; since we don't get many of your brave kind round here, are you more or less inclined to break more serious laws apart from these now that you are an outlaw?

    TCB
     
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    Unless you're involved you're not going to know who or what you're "involved with". You have to get involved in local activism efforts and politics so you can get to know who you can work with and who you can't. You have to know who the power groups are on issues and how to work with them or around them.

    People have always said that you can't accomplish anything working with the system, but I personally know that just isn't true. I worked 2 years against politicians that did not want to see state law changed here in Tennessee. In spite of the opposition and in spite of the sneaky attempts to derail the effort we still got rid of the absurd restrictions on what knives we could own or carry and did away with the crazy scrap quilt of local laws that made the knife in your pocket legal in your yard, but not on your street or legal in your county, but not in town or the next or the next and then legal again. The first year we were tripped up at the last minute in the legislature because of one powerful politician not wanting the bill to get to a vote on the floor even though the Senate had already passed it, but we recovered, worked with the bill sponsor to amend the bill to get part of it through (preemption) and then came back the next year smarter and pushed the rest through against the same opposition. That was 2 years of effort working with Knife Rights while they worked with others like me in other states to do the same thing. So far KR has gotten rid of and/or blocked anti knife owner laws in a dozen states in under 10 years.

    So when folks say, "it doesn't do any good" I know they simply don't know what they're talking about because I have participated in getting changes made to the laws here in my state and am helping to do it in other states across the country.
     
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  23. Good Ol' Boy

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    While I respect your views on many other responses I've read from you on this forum this is not one case that I do.

    So I should have to join the mafia in order to understand how it works? That's wrong on so many levels it really should be obvious to any rational person. One does not have to be involved to see how things work.

    If you had some positive (to you) outcomes using the system it's because that's what the system was going to do any way. Don't pat yourself on the back. It's those kinds of "wins" that keep the illusion going.


    From where I'm sitting, on a national and local level it's all just games.
     
  24. mikestone967

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    I'm not "shouting" anything. I'm only trying to wake some of you up. Seems to me that you are all quite satisfied with the current level of corruption and misdeeds committed by our "elected royalty".
    Were as, I am not. I have stated, many, many times in this thread already what my outlook is but apparently the TRUTH is not welcomed here as "Spats" seems to continuously delete them....

    You all exist in a vacuum here. This forum is so intensely moderated that any dissenting opinion is silenced.
    There are others out here, in the real world, like me, that don't hide their heads in the sand and pretend voting will fix it all.

    I am not "sovereign"... I am awake. What's your excuse?
     
  25. mikestone967

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    Amen.
     
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