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yeah listen to these guys and avoid Century VZs like the plaque because they damn sure are contagious. I made the huge mistake of buying one and without the peanut gallery crowd's wisdom liked it so much I immediately bought another. If I had more money I would of stacked up deep while they were 360 a pop. What did I get? Lets see a gun build on the same milsurp kits the rest of the vz58s are. A new green river barrel that is legal length so I could put whatever brake on it I want. The barrel isn't chrome lined which to some is a minus, to some a plus because it could be more accurate. A nice us made milled receiver that is super clean and neato with nary a machine tool mark on it . Very good even parkerized finish. The trigger group is genuine surplus instead of a U.S. made plastic trigger group. Since it is completely 922 compliant you can use whatever surplus mags you want while with czechpoint you have to use their mags or at least add their plastic floor plate and follower. And you know what is most amazing about these nice little rifles? Supposedly a crew of drunk monkeys and angry beavers put them together. Awesome, almost bad fairy tale like awesome.

You get what you pay for. snicker.
 
Until you've owned both a Czechpoint and a Century... you can't begin to appreciate the build quality of the Czechpoint!

I'm not knocking those who buy the Century, I had one after all. but I would rather spend double the money, and get 10 times the rifle. The fit, and finish on the Czechpoint is far superior. Some will never get the concept of money well spent... but that's fine with me, they can have all the Taurus 1911s and Century guns they want.
 
I had a Century Wasr10, need I say more?:scrutiny: I've seen firsthand what these drunk monkeys can produce, and not only were they drunk, the QC monkey was also blind....

I understand the vz 2008 is put together a good bit better than the Wasr10s, but Century will not get another dime of my money!
 
yeah listen to these guys and avoid Century VZs like the plaque because they damn sure are contagious. I made the huge mistake of buying one and without the peanut gallery crowd's wisdom liked it so much I immediately bought another. If I had more money I would of stacked up deep while they were 360 a pop. What did I get? Lets see a gun build on the same milsurp kits the rest of the vz58s are. A new green river barrel that is legal length so I could put whatever brake on it I want. The barrel isn't chrome lined which to some is a minus, to some a plus because it could be more accurate. A nice us made milled receiver that is super clean and neato with nary a machine tool mark on it . Very good even parkerized finish. The trigger group is genuine surplus instead of a U.S. made plastic trigger group. Since it is completely 922 compliant you can use whatever surplus mags you want while with czechpoint you have to use their mags or at least add their plastic floor plate and follower. And you know what is most amazing about these nice little rifles? Supposedly a crew of drunk monkeys and angry beavers put them together. Awesome, almost bad fairy tale like awesome.

You get what you pay for. snicker.
 
rocinante, are you saying that the Century is a better rifle? Cetainly not. Your point is that you just don't care because it was so cheap?

That's fine for you, I guess. Some people will use whatever reason they can come up with, to justify saving a few bucks on a fighting rifle....
 
I have several of the century rifles. At this time all the ones that I have work (thank God for JG's 30 day trial period). I have had to take around 50% of them back once or more to trade them out to get one that functioned. Once I get one that works it seems to work alright. If you factor in the cost of the trip up to Prescott and the time wasted switching out the firearms I probably could have just bought the factory built units at a savings. Even after getting a working century build they don't stack up against the originals. I really don't care who puts the firearms together so long as they do a good job and that is where the rub is with century products.
 
Sounds like another vz-58 owner is close, if you're south of Phoenix area - do you handload, 6x6?
I only have the one vz-58.

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As for the .223 versions, Dan said November for certain for the double stack, not sure about the AR mag adapters, but if you order the rifle plus adapter it will be installed no extra charge before shipping. I would love one, haven't won that dadgum lottery yet.
 
No I don't hand load any X39. I have all but given up reloading. I am down to some specialty shotgun loads but that is about it. I just don't shoot enough of any one caliber to make it worth the time to load.

I have heard Dan say that before about the 223's and am still waiting. Would love to see one in action. I know at one time cost was an issue. With the popularity of the AR line of rifles it has to be a hard decision to make yet another combat style and break into the market with any success.
 
Strange.

I've got a VZ2008 by century and it's accurate, will eat anything I've fed it, from hollowpoints to soft points etc, nicely machined and finished and doesn't cost 300 bucks more.

I had the chance to sit both down side by side. Yes, the Dtech one is very nice. But the Century one was just as nice on the inside, with only marginally worse looking stocks (purely cosmetic). Double that up with the firmly afixed muzzle device, the need to convert all your magazines to use followers/baseplates known for having issues and the plastic US bits floating around....

I know all Century items are not this good, I wouldn't own one of their cetme's for love nor money, but on this, the Century's seem to have a very low rate of failure.

Oh and the mod that you have to do to the Dtechs sometimes to make the bolt cycle the striker? Yeah, that's based on what the century guns come with.

But hey, tell yourself what you need to in order to justify the price. (That one with the wooden stocks is dead sexy though, I'd love to get my hands on one of those, who cares if it's century or dtech)

I will say this: Century picked the wrong direction for the safety to operate. If it went the dtech way, the gun would literally be perfect for a lefty like me.
 
Bought 2 of the Centuries a year ago... gosh has it been that long...??!! Deployments wash away time.... anyway, I've fired them a little and have been impressed overall with fit and finish and accuracy for 1/2 the price of the CZechpoints (which I have no experience with).

Only problem I had is 1 magazine failed to insert or function right. Other than that, good to go.
 
you have to admire the czechs for creating their battle rifle instead of following everybody else adopting the ak47. so i want as close to the real deal vz58 we can get in the u.s. which czech point and cz-usa has given us. and i will gladly pay extra money for. the only thing i admire about he vz2008 is the awesome blond wood stock it came with:)
 
One thing I do have to correct - CZ-USA has nothing to do with the vz-58. They offered it briefly, but it did not come through CZ-UB in the Czech Republic. The REAL vz-58 is still being listed in the catalog by CZ-UB for military/police orders overseas, but they have never imported the rifle to the US. The current version is produced by Czech Small Arms, (formerly known as D-Technic), and imported through Czechpoint, who does contract out the conversion to double stack. That one uses a Czech receiver, while the Century uses a USA made receiver and parts kit. That's not to say it's bad, just put together differently.
ifit, if you like that, czech out the CZ-52 for thinking outside the box, Czech style. :) Yes, they did make their own way firearms wise, and had their own caliber, too, before Uncle Joe slammed 7.62x39mm down their throats.
convert all your magazines to use followers/baseplates known for having issues
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Please state what issues, and can you be specific? In all my vz-58 magazines, (umm, dang, 15-20 of them, I think), I haven't had any magazine related failures. The ONLY failures I have had that I can think of off the top of my head are underloaded cast ammo and that one Winchester primer that blew out the disc, actually jamming the bolt out of battery, i.e., not the rifle's fault.
Oh and the mod that you have to do to the Dtechs sometimes to make the bolt cycle the striker? Yeah, that's based on what the century guns come with.
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Are you talking about the "gremlin"? Yes, the D-Technik guns are tabbed on the bolt to avoid this occasional issue. I think ORF built rifles started that, not Century, but I've been known to be wrong before. ORF had some way out of spec receivers, I'm told, be careful if doing a build based on one.
Oh, I have an excellent gas piston rod marked "made in USA" by Obiwanbonjovi over at czfirearms.us, great work. Not a bit of plastic. :)
 
But hey, tell yourself what you need to in order to justify the price.
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I dont have to justify the price....I've owned a Century built rifle, and will not own another. If they let all those canted sights, bent recievers, go through QC, I don't want their VZ2008, even if somehow they are held to better QC standard.

I'm a mechanic for a living, and pay the stupid high prices for Snap-on tools. They are better, even if Craftsman gets the job done at home;)
 
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I've shot my brother in law's century vz58 and it has a canted front sight. He didnt catch it and wondered why he couldn't zero in his scope.

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look its simple some folks think that the blue jeans sold by Walmart are as good as the Levi brand and that is fine. I personally like the Levi brand better and will pay the price as I will continue to do with the VZ58 and not the century version.
 
armoredman, i understand what your saying, but this is as close to getting the real deal vz58 here in the U.S.A. not unless you know of another source other than a czusa, and czechpoint vz58. by the way i have a real deal vz58 parts kit:)
 
If you have the parts kit, and have the know how and tools to do a build, contact Czechpoint - they sell receivers, too. I have never built a rifle, but I understand the vz-58 is classified as a difficult build.
Get the Czechpoint if you can - it is the real thing, made in the Czech Republic, modified here.
 
czechpoint

Made in the Czech Republic is exactly why I got the Czechpoint version. Nothing like OEM for quality and reliability. The Czechs started buliding these things in 1958, don't know if they are still made but I assume the bugs, if any, have been eliminated.
I have seen a pic on the net of a 58 in .308. Caption stated it is the only one made.
Now that one I would love to have.
 
sorry armoredman, when you say the real thing are you refering to the receiver or the complete rifle?
 
navajo, czechpoint vz58s and czusa vz58s are the same thing. to the best of my knowledge these rifles are manufactured by D-technik, importer is waffen works and czechpoint is the distributor, and czusa at that time gets their rifles from czecpoint and puts their name on it.

another thing, D-technik wanted to maintain the tradition of the rifles being gray in color, so the first D-technik rifles were gray, then the rest were black as most people prefer black in color, but i prefer gray, i like to own as close as to the original we can get here on our shores. this is coming from Dan at czecpoint a few years back.
 
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I know. I am on the forum there.
First one I ever touched was gray. Mine is black. Prefer gray.
Pics I have seen of racks of them show many different shades of gray.
I would also like to have 20 round magazines. A few came into the US but not many. I think the 20s are still available in Europe.
 
Up here in Canada the CZ 858 Tactical is very popular. Anything AK is a no-go for us but the 858 is classified as non-restricted and readily available. There is a dealer bringing in short versions from a company called Czech Small Arms (CSA) that are classified as restricted (approved ranges only) - very sexy looking and available in 7.62x39 or 5.56! However, our 5 round mag laws suck!
http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/default.asp?Pg=8&do=3&mcid=1&scid=12&pid=1560
 
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