Wal-Mart Employees Charged With Shooting Cat On Manager's Orders

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  1. Jeff Timm

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    As a cat owner (yes, there is some question of who owns whom) of two neutered common cats, I keep them inside because I know the damage one cat can do.

    I've also hunted feral cats in the days of bows, arrows and bird blunts in the metro parks around Cleveland. Many, many moons ago. The safety briefing was by park staff, I suspect this would not be done now.

    Geoff
    Who never heard of Federal Cruelty to Animals charges. :confused:
     
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    For all you folks who think you can call animal control to take care of a stray cat, give it a try.

    I did when I had the cat lady from hell as a next door neighbor in the city 10 years ago. She did not take care of the cats she just broke open a 20 lb bag of cat food in her yard everyday and dozens of them came running, alon with some king sized rats, who waited for some of the cats to leave. The smell was horrendous in the summer time, especially when they climbed up and sprayed on my flat roof at night.

    I called the Humaine society and the delaware SPCA

    The Delaware SPCA told me

    " We dont come out for stray cats, we dont pick them up, we will put them to sleep IF YOU BRING THEM IN TO US"

    I asked how do I do that, well they said: " we will rent you a trap for $5 per week you catch them, YOU take them out and bring them in in your car. but be careful cause some strays have rabbies"

    These cats were wild, and a neighbor who tried the trapping method was bitten and scratched. The SPCA did cut off the cats head and test it for rabbies which it did not have, the neighbor got a tetnus shot and the scratches became infected.


    The humaine society said we dont take stray cats.

    These cats were sick diseased and had lots of kittens every spring.

    It was a real problem for me and my neighbors.
     
  4. Shalako

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    Prosecution

    If the individuals tortured the cat, they should be prosecuted. Not because I mourn the loss of a stray cat, but because the individuals are sickos and need to be punished/locked up.

    If they merely dispatched a stray cat, then why the hell is the govt wasting valuable space, time, and money in an already overtaxed judicial system?! Just try to tell me that the thousands of dollars and hundreds of man hours are worth one stray cat...

    I would think that mankind has more important things to focus on. (Is there a 'Duh.' smiley?)
     
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    Edited: I wont dignify that post with a response afterall. :p
     
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    Geez, where they get the federal stuff from :banghead:

    Well then, I'm in trouble. My medical records will show that I had to put down an injured stray that got run over. It also bite me (hence the need for rabie shots).

    This was on a sunday. I called animal control, whoops, we no longer have an animal control (due to us tax payers not wanting taxes to be raised, again). I called the Sheriffs department, nope, can't do it even with the bite. Call on monday. I called the State patrol, they don't handle such things, call animal control :banghead: :cuss: :fire:

    So, I shot it in the head (bad idea, they can't test for rabies if you do that) and buried it in my own back yard (hey, I'm just that way, it had to have a decent burial especially since it died by my hand instead of me letting it suffer and die from the hit).

    Geez, *** is going on in what used to be the United States of America?

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  8. Gunpacker

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    USP45usp, In NC-

    -You would be required to take the animal that you injured to a vet. Don't ask me who would pay. Guy there was prosecuted for doing what you did. Simply dispatching a (probably mortally) injured cat. :banghead:
    Wonder why it is more "cruel" to shoot a cat than a deer or a pig. Or more cruel than killing a cow. Not a bit of difference in the intent or commission.
    Now the state govt can issue us hunting licenses and the Feds can wait by our car to charge us with cruelty? Can't believe that the Feds are involved with a cat shooting, when a human shooting doesn't show up on their radar, except for limited reasons. If I were the guys, I think I might ask for a jury trial. You would have to find at least one cat hater out of 12 people, or at least one reasonable person.
     
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    Cats that are allowed to roam on my property get put down. If people don't want them dispatched, they should keep them inside and out of my yard.

    That's about all there is to it.
     
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    This is getting annoying. :scrutiny:
     
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    SC Shooter,
    You got my vote!

    Someone's gotta do it!

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  12. Stand_Watie

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    I believe under Texas statute that 'animal cruelty' can be applied if you kill someone else's dog or cat if it isn't commiting damage to your property or threatening your person...I didn't know a federal law existed, but if it does it's certainly being misapplied in this instance - a clean kill of a stray animal is perfectly appropriate and saves taxpayer resources and often saves suffering for the animal itself.

    I attempted to pick up a litter of stray puppies to take to the pound some time ago, and got bitten by one of them. Major brain cramp kicked in and I killed them all before thinking about rabies.

    The county deputy who came to my house to pick up the bodies to take to the county laboratory to check for rabies told me the next time not to shoot them in the head, as they like the brain intact for the tests.
     
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    I worked in a famous sporting goods chain and one day a couple of little old ladies came to see if their live trap could be fixed. one of the guys fixed it. just being curious the guy asked what they used it for. they said they trapped the stray cats around their house and took them out in the country and drowned them in a farm pond. the trap got fixed for nothing.

    I don't have a problem with somebody having a cat (or a dog for that matter) for a pet as long as it stays on their property. it steps across the property line it is fair game
     
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    as someone from a correctional officer background i want to introduce an aspect that has not been put on the table here.

    the cost of this one cat to the taxpayers.

    with states struggling to house and feed the inmate population that we all ready have, we go and make it a federal/felony to kill a cat, dog, etc.

    do you have any idea how much money it will cost to investigate, prosecute, convict, then feed, house and care for these two individuals for a felony sentence?

    i would hazard to guess that you could hire a teacher, and supply a classroom for at least a year. that money could well be used elsewhere.

    locally our school system is suffering cut backs and the county can not afford to salt the roads in the winter. but the sheeple around here are tickled pink when someone gets busted for killing a stray cat. its this mentality that will lead to ever higher taxes. just for a stray cat.
     
  15. Calhoun

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    Gunpacker- Never heard of that requirement for NC. I notice that you are in FL. Where did you get your information, if I may ask. Not being confrontational, just curious.

    cerberus- I hope that you were kidding with your last remark. (Although not very funny) A little scary to be honest.

    Stand_Watie-
    Man, you got some issues. You and Cerberus make a cute, and scary, couple. Are you just trying to impress us all? :uhoh:
     
  16. cerberus

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    Money well spent

    What ever it costs to give them guys a good taste of justice it's well worth the price. :) One thing I sure bet is they all won't be employees of Wal-Mart anymore. :)
     
  17. Tory

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    Oh, really?

    "Cats that are allowed to roam on my property get put down."

    Under what authority? I know of no state that allows the arbitrary summary destruction of other people's domestic animals for mere trespass.

    Do you shoot dogs as well? Or are you species-specific in your cruel and unwarranted actions?

    Do you bother to check for tags, collars or other indicia of ownership, or are you just looking for targets to sate your blood lust?

    We're waiting..... :scrutiny:
     
  18. Tory

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    Before this story gets blown further out of proportion,

    the assertion that killing a cat somehow constitutes a federal crime ought to trigger the BS meter of everyone on this board. Congress has no inherent police powers; it uses - and seriously ABUSES - the Commerce Clause to effect its desired results.

    Unless it can be shown that treatment of stray cats in some way, shape, manner or form affects INTERSTATE COMMERCE, there is no basis for federal involvement. I think the claim that this is a "federal felony" is absurd on its face.

    As for those who think such acts can be dismissed because prisons are full of "real criminals," a reality check: Studies show that sociopaths BEGIN by abusing small animals and their own pets, move up to larger victims and end up attacking humans. Early intervention protects us all.

    "I did when I had the cat lady from hell as a next door neighbor in the city 10 years ago. She did not take care of the cats she just broke open a 20 lb bag of cat food in her yard everyday and dozens of them came running, alon with some king sized rats, who waited for some of the cats to leave. The smell was horrendous in the summer time, especially when they climbed up and sprayed on my flat roof at night."

    You have just described a textbook example of NUISANCE. This is actionable on your part, AND by a complaint to your board of health, as well as your mayor, town manager, selectmen or whomever. The issues of health and property values give you a direct cause of action. Never mind the animal officer; go to the top! ;)
     
  19. Preacherman

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    Folks, please keep it civil, or we all know where this thread is headed...
     
  20. Justin

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    FWIW, Indiana state law says that you may legally shoot an animal if it is on your property and not leashed.

    Now, whether such a shooting would be ethical or not is going to depend upon the circumstances of a given event.
     
  21. Andrew Rothman

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    From the severely limited information, there appears to be no cruelty.

    I'm a (responsible) cat owner, and I don't see the point of spending hundreds of dollars of tax money to have an animal control officer drive out, corner and capture the cat, bring it back to the pound, do the paperwork, feed it, house it... and then kill it anyway.

    Firing a gun within city limits, however, seems to show some bad judgement... :(

    Matt (who used to volunteer at the Minneapolis Animal Control facility, and got to see how things really work)
     
  22. cerberus

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    Thats what laws are for

    It's gun people just like you and some of the others who get some idea that just because they have a gun this gives them the power and the right to be a judge and jury. We have City and County pounds for housing strays untill they can be found by their owners or adopted by others. Anyway in our City they get seven days before being put to death. When a group of people think they can just shoot any cat or dog at their will it's the beginning of all the rest of us lawful gun owners having our rights to own firearms taken away. :cuss:
     
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    I've noticed a number of people refering to the cat killed as a 'stray'.

    I'd like to point out that it's more likely that the cat was feral. It could of been a descendant generations removed from being a pet. They're all over the place down in Florida. There are even some up here in ND, but the winter tends to thin their numbers rather severly...
     
  24. cerberus

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    So that makes this shooting A OK?

    I guess saying it was a feral make this shooting a A OK deal? :rolleyes:
     
  25. Standing Wolf

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    If the cat had been made in China, Wal Mart would have sold it.
     
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