Walmart . . . Again

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Last November I bought a Benelli Nova at a discount chain here in Oregon.

No abbreviations on the form.

In the box for SSN it said optional, I left it blank.

The clerk, I have dealt with him before, said "that might slow things down on the check".

5 minutes later I was out the door.

You don't have to give your SSN. Didn't have to give it for any of my CCW licenses either.

DM
 
faster service

I am "known" at my wally world. they used to NEVER have anyone at the ammo/guns counter. I did this approximately 5 times and never had a problem since. I hate to wait and seemingly indefinantly. I hate getting blank stares and shrugs so I took matters into my own hands. reach slightly over the counter and pick up the phone. the intcom button is usually marked. In your most professional voice state, "Customer assistance needed at Sporting goods". Repeat as needed. Two things happen, you are remembered (not necessarily kindly, until you show them you really are nice), and they are kinda shamed into keeping a better lookout. I was quite adept at this with K mart before Rosie O'donnell messed them up. (why I don't shop there). Honestly though, as long as you do it professionally, they have never said anything to me. (well, until I was about to do it in Florence one day,and the guy busted me mid sentence) It really does get help faster
 
Cosmoline:

I don't tell you where to shop. If you dislike Wally World so much, please feel free to shop wherever you want. I intend to.
 
Also, Wal-mart management has an obligation to their shareholders to make a profit. How you would like YOUR pension fund/401K to be loaded with a bunch of companies that decided that showing a profit was "greedy" and to be avoided?

And there it is "obligation to shareholders" first and foremost, no obligation
to the consumer. Again "greed" will kill us in time, everyone wants there
high paying stock well folks remember "usually" for ever dollar above normal
profit someone suffers, employees with no medical coverage, etc. (Prayer of the new America) "Let me be rich no matter what it does to those around me."
Ahem:

Now I feel better.:D
 
Third_Rail and Cracked Butt

"Photocopied blue ink signatures don't look "real" wheras photocopied black ink ones do."

I'm an attorney and have all of my clients sign their Wills, Powers of Attorney, Trusts, corporate paperwork, etc. with BLUE ink for just that reason. Also, if they show someone a document signed in BLUE, then there's no doubt that it is an original document.

"I fill out tons of legally binding paperwork everyday. Any color of ink can be used as long as it can be clearly read, though Blue or black ink is preferred. "

Exactly. Wallyworld is seriously screwed up at the corporate level if this is the nonsense that they're telling their employees.
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What really gets me about the policy of escorting a rifle purchaser to the front door is that most Wallyworlds are located in states where you can carry concealed without being prosecuted for it. I personally carry almost every time I go there...what (other than my own morality) would prevent me from whipping out my .45 and blasting away at customers, escort or no? Heck, you don't even have to have an escort - just don't buy a gun! I could even walk in with an unloaded gun and still mow down people without the escort - buy some of the WWB .45 hollowpoints and pay for them at the sporting goods counter, then walk into the bathroom, close the stall door and load up. The policy is just plain stupid - maybe management is good at running the business as a whole, but if they think that this policy has (or ever will) stop a single shooting by some lunatic then they are dead wrong.
 
# ...One seller even made me print out my full middle name! As well as "United States" rather than "USA." #

I had this experience myself recently. I wasn't taking any chances though--I wrote "United States ofAmerica," just so they wouldn't think I meant "United States of Mexico" (Estados Unidos de Mexico).
 
I'm an attorney and have all of my clients sign their Wills, Powers of Attorney, Trusts, corporate paperwork, etc. with BLUE ink for just that reason. Also, if they show someone a document signed in BLUE, then there's no doubt that it is an original document.

That's the same reason you sign copies of your FFL in BLUE ink.
 
Only bought one gun from WM, a project 10/22.
Same thing, waited for the manager to come. Waited some more. Sporting Goods guy spotted a member of management and asked her to sign. She was reluctant but did it anyway.

On the way to the door she told my why she didn't like doing it. Sporting Goods is not her department, she had only OK'ed one gun sale before, had never gotten any training on the subject: If there was an error on the form and she didn't catch it and by chance the BATF came back on them it was her butt in a sling, the only support she would expect from WM is that they might hold the door open for her on her way out.
 
Used to buy my bricks of .22 cal lr from WM and hadn't been there in a while as the spiders claimed my only auto.

Went through last week and found they are not selling firearms, just air and paint guns. Aisle marked "ammo" had about a dozen boxes of Reminton shot shells.

I had previously seen this in what I assumed to be a 'red lined' neighborhood as it is a bit on the seedy side, but this store is in an 'upscale' area in Pleasanton, CA.

Guess I won't need to worry about making hard decisions or dealing with vague personages.

On the other hand WM is fighting to get a megastore in the area. Any differnce in stock between stores and megastores other than groceries?
 
Very much so! My "local" WM has only a dozen guns and only WWB ammo, maybe some Federal shotshells now and then. The Mega-WM /12 hour away has 10 dozen different guns and more ammo selection than I could possibly need.
 
First, our W-M has a really good 'daytime' sporting goods staff. The only complaint I have is that the shooting sports/hunting area is getting smaller each day. Its being over run with coolers, paintball supplies, and camping chairs.
Next, I remember awhile back when most gov't forms were required to be completed in Black Ink. It usually stated that on the top of the forms. All the documents I filled out in the Army had to be done in black ink. I agree with the fact that blue ink would indicate an original but thats the way it used to be.
 
For the last time

WHY DO YOU PEOPLE KEEP SHOPPING AT THIS CRUD HOLE? DO YOU ENJOY ABUSE?? :banghead:

I keep shopping at this "crud hole" because;

1) I save over thousand dollars a year on groceries by shopping at Walmart instead of one of the union (aka Socialist) run grocers.

and 2) I've never had anything but good service at Walmart ... I've never had service as good at the aforementioned union run grocers (Albertsons...Safeway...Kroger) and I've actually had worse service at places like Dillards or other "upscale" retailers.


Maybe the Walmarts in Wichita Kansas and Colorado Springs Colorado are anomalies.



clerk: "oh well its federal regulations..."
This isn't just a Walmart thing ... I think this is a sickness in our society that assumes we're under more control by the government then we are. I've often had people say things like "is that legal?" when they see my AR15 or find out I carry a concealed handgun.

I think most Americans honestly believe we have more gun control then we do ... and when more is proposed their response is something like "I thought that was already illegal."
 
I've had generally good experiences at Wal-Mart. Never bought a gun there (they raised the prices on their 10/22's right before I bought mine, so I went elsewhere).

I've bought ammunition there a few times, mostly .22 and the only problem I've had was that the employees didn't know the stock and of course the sporting goods counter is ALWAYS empty and you have to wait.

But last week I was in there to pick up some .22 and to buy WWB for my new .40, and the guy was really good. They didn't have a price tag on the WWB Val Pack but he knew off the top of his head what it cost and asked about what gun I had, etc. Hope I run into him there again.
 
I am telling you to stop shopping there. If you enjoy terrible customer service and cruddy products, that's fine by me. But there is a political dimension to this when it comes to firearms. You trust in Wal-Mart AT YOUR PERIL! UNDERSTAND THIS! The corporate offices can and most likely will one day decide they won't sell any more handguns, "handgun ammo" or whatever moves them that day. There is nothing you can do about it. You are choosing to spend your money on folks who have already shown that they do not trust gun owners and they regard you as a criminal. For the love of Mike, these creatures escorted you to the fricking door like a damn criminal after having all but smacked you in the face for having the nerve to buy a firearm from them! Sir, this is completely INTOLERABLE! ABOSLUTELY INTOLERABLE! HOW CAN YOU LOOK YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR HAVING ACCEPTED SUCH TREATMENT!? Have you no pride left?

In any case, DO NOT cry to me when you discover your local gun store closed down because you took all your business to Wal-Mart, and now Wal-Mart doesn't sell firearms because of some Michael Moore or some lawsuit.

:banghead:
 
...and another reason I've NEVER bought a firearm at Walmart. I'd love to se where they get the "ink color" rule from. That right there would've been all it took to end the entire purchase. :banghead:
 
I must be lucky as the walmart in my area has a salesperson who has quite a bit of knowledge about firearms. He also reloads and belongs to a number of the gun clubs in the area. He also advised me that he told his manager to order some 45 cal in the 100 round winchester box as a number of people were asking for 45 ammo.
 
And there it is "obligation to shareholders" first and foremost, no obligation
to the consumer. Again "greed" will kill us in time, everyone wants there
high paying stock well folks remember "usually" for ever dollar above normal
profit someone suffers, employees with no medical coverage, etc. (Prayer of the new America) "Let me be rich no matter what it does to those around me."
Ahem:

Now I feel better.

Every dollar you (or anybody or any company) earn is a certificate for a job well done. You provided something that somebody valued more than that dollar in their pocket. You provided a service or a good for someone. If someone pays you money for something that you have agreed to provide, THAT is an obligation. A person's salary or a company's revenue is a rough guide to just how much they have squared away their fellow man, in a material sense. Wal-mart squares away a lot of people.

A smart company does right by its customer, because it wants them to come back and spend more money. A company does right by its employees, so that they will stick around to help the firm earn revanue. A company does right by its shareholders, as they provided the starting capital and are the reason the firm exists in the first place. These three (customers, employees, and shareholders) have overlapping and competing claims on the firm. It is up to management to figure out how to meet these competing claims.

"for ever dollar above normal profit someone suffers"
Hogwash.

Define "normal profit."

This is America. If somebody pays hard-earned $$$ for something, they wanted or needed to buy it or just plain valued it more than the $$$ in their pocket. Nobody put a gun to my head and said, "Buy dogfood at Wally World or eat lead."

Some people deride materialism, but (to paraphrase V S Naipaul), "I like materialism. The poor need it."

Those who can't afford better can get what they need at Wal-mart and have more left over at the end of the day.
 
George, WallyWorld will NEVER drop their prices on Rugers--because Ruger will NOT move their operations to China and employ slave labor just to give WallyWorld a better price.
 
I am telling you to stop shopping there. If you enjoy terrible customer service and cruddy products, that's fine by me. But there is a political dimension to this when it comes to firearms. You trust in Wal-Mart AT YOUR PERIL! UNDERSTAND THIS! The corporate offices can and most likely will one day decide they won't sell any more handguns, "handgun ammo" or whatever moves them that day. There is nothing you can do about it. You are choosing to spend your money on folks who have already shown that they do not trust gun owners and they regard you as a criminal. For the love of Mike, these creatures escorted you to the fricking door like a damn criminal after having all but smacked you in the face for having the nerve to buy a firearm from them! Sir, this is completely INTOLERABLE! ABOSLUTELY INTOLERABLE! HOW CAN YOU LOOK YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR HAVING ACCEPTED SUCH TREATMENT!? Have you no pride left?

In any case, DO NOT cry to me when you discover your local gun store closed down because you took all your business to Wal-Mart, and now Wal-Mart doesn't sell firearms because of some Michael Moore or some lawsuit.

Spoken like a true gunstore owner.

Scott
 
Ahhhh . . . to live in a free state

but from the time I said' " I'll take it," to the time the manager escorted me to the door an hour and a half had passed

You guys need to witness the buying process in NJ - if I got out of a store in an hour and a half, I'd think I did pretty good!

By the time they are done with the paperwork and NICS and everything else . . . . . . you need to take the day off.

And that's after you wait months for your firearms ID and if its a handgun, weeks for the purchase permit.
 
But there is a political dimension to this when it comes to firearms.

Yes there is, so you should buy firearms and ammunition from K-Mart, Sears or Target ... wait a minute you can't because they caved to the antis and don't sell guns/ammo! (well, target never has).

Damn strait there's a political dimension when it comes to firearms, and we need to support companies that don't bend over and do the bidding of the antis.


The corporate offices can and most likely will one day decide they won't sell any more handguns, "handgun ammo" or whatever moves them that day.
If we keep buying from them it will be profitable. If its profitable they'll keep selling.

Believe me, they have been under constant assault from the Michael Moore types out there and they have firmly stood on our side.

You are choosing to spend your money on folks who have already shown that they do not trust gun owners and they regard you as a criminal.
While I agree their policies are silly they still sell guns which is more then can be said for K-Mart and Sears and other large retailers who used to (who by the way are not doing as well as Walmart).

Sir, this is completely INTOLERABLE! ABOSLUTELY INTOLERABLE! HOW CAN YOU LOOK YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR HAVING ACCEPTED SUCH TREATMENT!? Have you no pride left?
I've never bought a firearm from Walmart, but honestly I've had pretty bad service from idiots at gun shops too ... whats their excuse? Are you saying if I'm treated poorly at a gun shop I should stop shopping at gun shops too? Frankly THAT has put more gun shops out of business then competition with Walmart.

For the love of Mike...
Aww ... thanks ... its good to be loved* :neener:

In any case, DO NOT cry to me when you discover your local gun store closed down because you took all your business to Wal-Mart, and now Wal-Mart doesn't sell firearms because of some Michael Moore or some lawsuit.
If Walmart stopped selling ammo (or really, if they just stopped selling Winchester White Box in the 100rd bonus packs for cheap) I'd buy my practice ammo via mail order before I paid the high prices at most gun shops. However, I buy all my SD ammo at gun shops (although I've not been happy with the selection at the two shops I frequent so that may go Mailorder too).

I don't know of one gun shop thats gone out of business because of Walmart ... I challenge you to prove Walmart has put gunshops out of business ... they don't carry enough different guns or enough variety of ammo to put any gun shops out of business. The vast majority of gun shops I've watch go out of business did so because the owners where not good businessmen.

Its a bad businessman who blames his demise on his competition.



* Edited to explain that my name is Mike
 
The only reason I don't buy guns from Wal-Mart is because they don't sell anything I want. But then again, it's getting harder and harder to buy reasonably priced blued N-frame Smiths anywhere.

I do, however, buy handgun ammo there. Why? One reason is because it is reasonably priced. I can, and do, buy some ammo just as cheap in some of my local gun shops. The main reason I buy some of my ammo there is because I want them to keep selling guns and ammo. Hells Bells I'd even pay $1 or $2 more per box if I could buy it at Walgreens or Safeway or Chevron.

When I was a kid every hardware store at least sold ammo. I recall a few Mom & Pop grocery stores that sold .22 rimfire ammo. I eve recall a local "Beer Depot" that along with block ice and bait sold .22s and shotshells. But sadly, our government "by the people and for the people" has made that damn near impossible anymore. I remember the day that Sears put up signs saying that they would no longer be selling Handguns. It was a sad day and a sign of things to come.

I was sorry to see K-Mart cave in and stop selling. Which is the main reason I won't step foot in one anymore.

Two or three times a year I make sure and buy some ammo from Big 5 Sporting Goods and I'll even stoop to buying some at G.I. Joes' and put up with their rude and incompetent service just to show support for any large sheep filled store that still has the balls to sell firearms and ammunition. The general population of fence-sitters NEEDS to see several shelves filled with ammo. Racks of guns, without glass. Stacks of guns cases and displays of targets. And of course we MUST flaunt it in from of the antis.

I buy 95% of my meat at a locak full service butcher shop. Their prices are lower than any of the local grocery stores and Sam's Club and quite often lower than Costco. And the quality is always higher. I'm glad most people don't because the 4 or 5 ladies behind the counters are always busy. If they had any more business they couldn't handle it. :neener:
You'd think that the large chain stores would have put them out of business but it isn't so. They are thriving.

I have over 15 gun shops or pawn shops with nice gun departments within a 10 mile drive of my apartment. another 5 or 10 within 20 miles. None of them are comolaining about going broke. One just moved into a larger building a few blocks up the road from their old location. That's not including the big chain stores.

There will always be a place for GOOD small shops. They will offer services and products that the big chains won't.

If you don't like Wal-Mart don't shop there.
But don't you dare have the audacity to tell me not to. That's a right you have NEVER had.
Instead why don't you invest that time into fighting to keep the rights you DO have.
 
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