Walther CCP

[george burns]

So my question is, would you be safer buying a first gen Walther, "like buds was selling" than a new one from say a gun show.

 

[snooperman]

I say give it time and we will see one way or the other how good it is. As for myself I will keep an open mind and in a few months we will know much more about it. You can not judge a book by its cover.

 

[bc1023]

So my question is, would you be safer buying a first gen Walther, "like buds was selling" than a new one from say a gun show.

The new Walthers are fine if you go with a true Walther, such as the PPQ, P99, or PPS. Umarex is an airsoft giant who owns Walther and builds cheap replicas from cheap materials.

Stick with the pistols I mentioned, and you'll be fine. They are very good quality guns.

 

[bc1023]

I say give it time and we will see one way or the other how good it is. As for myself I will keep an open mind and in a few months we will know much more about it. You can not judge a book by its cover.

When it comes to guns, most of the time you can judge it pretty well...

 

[snooperman]

You have an amazing power. At age 74 I am envious.

 

[AustinTX]

Ya'll do know that quality, quality control, and operability are only indirectly related, right?

If it works, who cares if it's Umarex pot metal? The thing's obviously not for show...
You aren't exactly paying for top quality, either...
Is the design tolerant of inconsistent quality? Some rough surfaces and crude tooling may not affect performance, depending on where they are...

I own an R51. After some work (that Remington could have easily done right in the first place), it runs fine. It looks nicer --in terms of visible quality-- than many poly frame guns. It is NOT --repeat, NOT-- a nice pistol, nor could it ever be, the way it was produced. I didn't pay for a "nice" gun, nor did I expect one; I expected function, and essentially got it (I improved what was already a barely passable example into something more legitimate, is all)

American consumers are really bad about expecting that which they don't pay for, aand that which is unreasonable/impossible (going all the way back to "Patent Medicines")

TCB

All of that is rather beside the point. What many find irritating is the fact that the gun is overpriced for what it offers because it's a piece-of-junk Umarex masquerading as an authentic Walther to the uninformed (or the willfully ignorant, as in this thread). There are far better guns available for less money. For that matter, there is a far better authentic Walther available for the same price or lower in the PPX.

It's not about expecting too much for the price. It's about Umarex deceptively prostituting the Walther name to charge a significantly price than would otherwise be possible.

 

[AustinTX]

If you look on the right side the CCP is stamped "Walther Ulm/Do. Ulm is the City on the Donau river or as we say Danube in Bavaria. You are trying to separate Umarex from Walther. That is like separating Chevrolet from General motors. Whether you like it or not this is a Walther product period.

LOL. Willful self-delusion at its finest.

 

[AustinTX]

Its Walther's parent company. They are NOT made to the same standards as a PPQ, P99, or PPS. The gun is very cheaply made, just like the other Umarex pistols. A blind man could tell that just picking the thing up.

Hey, if you want to spend $400 on an airsoft quality gun, be my guess. After all, that's why this junk stays on the market.

Nailed it.

 

[AustinTX]

You have an amazing power. At age 74 I am envious.

There's nothing special or "amazing" about it. He shares this "power" with many, many people who possess more than a basic knowledge of handguns.

 

[bc1023]

You have an amazing power. At age 74 I am envious.

Actually, no, it's just called experience. Your analogy of Chevy and GM tells me you don't have the first clue about Walther and Umarex.

You asked for opinions and then dismissed everything that was said. Many people don't need to waste $400 to realize a gun is crap. Fortunately for Umarex, many people learn the hard way.

 

[winddummy]

Umarex/Walther

I find it interesting that some are shooting down umarex as junk but not walther. They merged together in June 2012.

 

[AustinTX]

I find it interesting that some are shooting down umarex as junk but not walther. They merged together in June 2012.

I'm not really sure what you find particularly interesting about it.

Your history is off, anyway. While Walther literature may describe it as a merger, the truth is that Umarex (owned by PW Group) acquired Walther and became its parent company. Also, this happened in 1993, not 2012. All that happened in June 2012 was the formation of Walther Arms to handle importation, distribution, service, etc. for Walther-branded guns in the US. Umarex still owns Walther, and the latter is bound by the decisions of the former. Sometimes that means that Walther's logo will be stamped on low-quality products manufactured by the air soft company that owns Walther.

If things are still not computing, go hang out on Waltherforums for a while.

 

[bc1023]

I find it interesting that some are shooting down umarex as junk but not walther. They merged together in June 2012.

Well, if you actually read the thread you'll understand the difference between Walther pistols and those of its parent company. Its night and day.