Walther PPK/S 22lr. Opinions please?

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I'm looking for a easy to conceal, 22lr plinker, with decent accuracy. I have a PPK/S in .380 and like how it conceals and shoots, so I thought the 22 would be a welcome addition. I was wondering if the 22 version is made as well, functions reliably, and is as accurate as the 380 version. Any other comments or suggestions are welcome. Thanks for your input!
 
The newer ones are made from zamak ( zinc alloy - some call it hotwheel pot metal).

Its been argued that its made by whatever paintball company that owns the Walther name; I'm not sure if its been proven or not.


I haven't really sought out reports but I also haven't noticed anyone complaining other than the above. And of those complaints, it seems to be mostly from those that don't have one.
 
Oh, I don't like the sound of that. I was assuming that they were of steel, like my 380. The price seemed too good to be true. Thanks for the heads up!
 
There are two different Walther .22 autoloaders the P22 which is zamak junk pot metal and the PPQ 22.

The Walther PPQ 22 is the one you want it is a much better quality gun made in Ulm Germany (a different manufacturing plant than the P22) where the PPQ's are made.

I think when Umarex bought out Walther they started manufacturing their low cost models such as the P22.

I don't have either of these firearms but have done my research as I want to buy a PPQ 22 and the reviews are stellar on this particular model, whereas the P22 has a terrible track record.
 
Just to clarify, its the slide that made of that material.

The Bersa/Firestorm 22lr is steel and is a darn good substitute. I bought one because of the PPK/S style.



Unfortunately, they haven't made those in a few years but they are out there.

Fortunately, if you find one, it will be sooooo much cheaper than an older steel PPK/S 22lr and mags are easily available.


Mine is very reliable with anything that has about 125 ft/lbs of energy but doesn't much like the cheapest/weakest stuff. Plated or not, solids or HP - its doesn't matter.

Other people like aaronagraham (sp?) here says his is reliable with everything... and I don't doubt anything he says.

Mine only has maybe 200 rounds through it and that maybe why.
 
danez71 said:
The newer ones are made from zamak ( zinc alloy - some call it hotwheel pot metal).

Its been argued that its made by whatever paintball company that owns the Walther name; I'm not sure if its been proven or not.
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They have made three models recently.

There is no question the PPK/S 22 is made in the Umarex plant in Arnsburg, not in Ulm in the Walther plant. The proofmarks are concrete proof if you had any doubt. Although I read they stopped making them (there is some speculation maybe they'll make them in the new US plant, who knows).

They work, but the Walther forum says the DA trigger pull is atrocious. The PPQ 22, although still an alloy slide, has on the other hand been reviewed by actual users very, very positively. I think real Walther employees are involved in production. Less concealable, though.

The P22.... I would not buy, personally. Lot of bad user reviews. Umarex production again.
 
I have an old German PPK/s in .22. They are hard to find and kind of pricey, but worth it.
The new ones, not so much.
 
I'll second the BERSA .22 as a possible alternative, under $300 on buds. I've found mini mags or golden bullets to be the most reliable out of mine, but I've found if I only load 5 in a mag it cycles lower velocity ammo fine also.
 
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They have made three models recently.

There is no question the PPK/S 22 is made in the Umarex plant in Arnsburg, not in Ulm in the Walther plant. The proofmarks are concrete proof if you had any doubt. Although I read they stopped making them (there is some speculation maybe they'll make them in the new US plant, who knows).

They work, but the Walther forum says the DA trigger pull is atrocious. The PPQ 22, although still an alloy slide, has on the other hand been reviewed by actual users very, very positively. I think real Walther employees are involved in production. Less concealable, though.

The P22.... I would not buy, personally. Lot of bad user reviews. Umarex production again.
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It's not that I had "doubts", I just wasn't sure.

But now that you mentioned the proof marks, Yes, I remember reading that now.

And yes, Walther lists the DA trigger pull at 17.5 lbs :what:. That is atrocious.


Question, why is everyone calling them P22 instead of PPK/S as listed on the Walther site?

IIRC, since reintroducing them in Zamack form, Walther has used the old PPK/S name.
 
The Walther P22 is a combat style pistol, like the Ruger SR22. People arent calling the PPK/S 22 a P22, they are just simply commenting on another Walther 22 pistol that has been available for years now.

I have a new Umarex PPK/S 22. Its been a reliable, accurate little pistol. I have close to 3,000 rounds through it now, and it shows no wear in any critical areas. It does have an unusable double action trigger pull. It honestly must be 30 lbs. I just shoot it single action first shot, and its acceptable.

I also have a Bersa Thunder 22, and its constructed of much better materials. It has an aluminum frame, and a steel slide, and is an accurate, reliable pistol with a MUCH better Double Action trigger pull. If you must have the PPK/S style pistol in 22 Long Rifle, I would highly recommend the Bersa over the Walther/Umarex.
 
Have one. Love it. Period.
Wife likes it too. Nearing the first 1K rounds with only two ftfs,both with "low noise" rounds.
 
Weblance, thanks for clarifying. I see that I misread.

I also had the Ruger SR22 but sold it off and kept the Firestorm (Bersa).

The Bersa 380 (and I may buy one of those 1 day) is constructed the same so the Bersa 22 is over built. Where as the Ruger SR22 still has some troubles with the take down lever getting beat to breakage; not a lot but reports are still showing up every so often. The Ruger is nice and I would recommend it if thats the style someone wants. I just didn't need both... they both serve the same role and I've always loved the PPK/S style.


Fatelvis, the difference between the Bersa and Firestorm is the trigger guard shape and the grips. The Firestorm is Bersa. (Kinda like Chevy truck/GMC truck)
 
I got the Serious Hots for a German .22 Walther PPK/s in 1980.
I had a PPK/s .380 and just had to get another one in .22.

But they were $425 MSRP, and about 1 1/2 times that when you could find one.

I finally settled for an Astra Constable .22 for $85 bucks.
And it has been a really good gun.
Fits PPK/s holsters perfectly too.

I made the rosewood grips for it shortly after I got it.

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I have a fairly recently made Walther PPK/S in .22LR. I bought it within the last three years.

I have shot it a fair amount. I don't have any complaints with it. Seems to be reliable and fairly accurate.

I would guess I have fired several hundred rounds out of it: four or five hundred. I probably own two dozen .22 handguns, so I haven't shot it a lot, but enough to develop an opinion on it.

As far as carrying it for personal defense, I wouldn't but that doesn't mean much. I have to many other better guns to carry. But it's a fun gun to own and shoot.
 
Rcmodel, I like the Astra as well, and it even has a last-shot slidelock, doesn't it?

Another PPK/S-styled rimfire is the FEG AP22, though they're also becoming hard to come by. I have one imported my Interarms in 1998. What a quality-built pistol this is. Like the others, though, it has an all-but-unusable DA trigger action. It's also built for high-velocity ammunition (it's even stamped so on the magazine.) Looks, feels, and takes down like the PPK-type guns, too.

Wish I would have grabbed the last Bersa .22 I saw. I have the .380, and it's an excellent gun.
 
I have a French made PP in .22lr and consider one of the finest pistols made in the caliber.
Any of the actual Walther/Manurhin made pistols, be they the PP, PPK, or PPK/S make fine plinking and woods walking pistols.
The original guns are well made and even the crude war time versions still shoot with accuracy and reliability.
The older pre-war/ wartime guns were made for, and function best, with standard velocity ammunition.
High velocity .22s tend to cause them to choke and why risk accelerated wear on an already near century old version?
Newer postwar Walther and Manhurin pistols will run standard or high velocity ammunition just fine but avoid the hyper velocity stuff.
The magazines are usually listed as ten shot but truth be told, they really function best when loaded with eight rounds.

These pistols don't come cheap now, neither do spare magazines, these guns never were cheap actually, always selling at the top of what the market will bear but folks that own examples understand completely why.
 
If I were looking for another medium frame size .22 (already have one of the best: a Beretta Model 70S), I would be looking for a used Walther PPK/s or PP (Manurhin of France also made some .22 versions of the same gun), Bersa Thunder .22, or an Astra Constable. All are of decent quality though some are long out of production so spare parts and magazines may be hard to come by.

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