Wanna bet the gun wasn't in a holster?

[chuckusaret]

The dead guy was a saint and had every thing going for him. """"BS"""""" What is a 19 year old saint doing with a concealed weapon in his backpocket?

 

[CapnMac]

It seems like you would be getting out of the SUV to buy cigs, and back in after getting the cigs.

Probably just poor editing at the newspaper. I read that to mean he had walked to the SUV intending to drive to the store to get the smokes. My "read" is also, before leaving, he managed to get his britches caught on the seat, or perhaps the seat adjustment lever, and leaned over trying to get his legs free enough to drive.

But, that is pure speculation on my part.

 

[shotgunjoel]

was killed by his own gun after it accidentally discharged

Sure, just blame it on the gun, not the idiot.

 

[AStone]

Even if this guy wasn't a saint it is pretty low class to laugh at someones death.

Granted, laughing at the death is probably low class.
But it's just logic to write it off as Darwinism at it's finest.

Charlie couldn't have said it any better.

 

[RP88]

well, it was a .32 pistol. Chances are it was a piece-of-crap junk gun, since...well, whenever you hear of some punk getting his hands on a gun, chances are it isn't a good one since he's a dumb, penniless idiot who probably couldn't buy anything else better and doesn't know anything about them other than where the bullet-thingy comes out from. Chances also are that it could have been a hammer-fired pistol, and he was dumb enough to store it in his back pocket, unholstered, with the hammer cocked. All it takes is to sit on it wrong from there and bad things can happen.

 

[Cactus Jack Arizona]

What?

The pistol was in his back pocket, discharged, missed both his legs, and hits him in the chest as he leans forward.

I'm calling shenanigans on this. Everyone, get your brooms.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Back Pocket

I have pants which have back pockets that are loose "pouch" style pockets. I've put my pants on before and had one snag on some part of the waistline and wind up sticking out above my belt.

Imagine one of those pockets, and now also imagine someone wearing pants so low on his thighs that the pocket is hanging below the crotch line.

Now the guy goes to get into a high vehicle, and his pants, which are riding too low, get hung up on the corner of the seat. He reaches down to hoist his low-riding crotch over the corner, snags the trigger.

Since the gun isn't in any kind of holster, it can be sitting in that pocket at any old angle.

You lean down, reach down, grab, pull, and BANG!

It's a study in how not to carry a pocket pistol.

 

[armoredman]

Now I have to interject an accidental shooting I was present for. A co wokrer at the armored trucking firm I worked for at the time had his BBUG, a Davis .38 derringer, in his back pocket, tighter than normal work pants. That's important. The little derringer was accidentally cocked, we believe, by his movement in and out of the seat, so when he exited the truck in the bay, he stretched, and the tightening material fired the exposed trigger derringer. The bullet bounced between his legs, and went straight up in front of him to hit the overhead. We discovered the exact bullet hole the next time it rained. Only damage was pride, and a blown out pocket, plus a silver dollar sized burn on his "cheek". His girlfriend cut out that pocket and framed it, as a reminder.
Now, that was a gun fired in a back pocket that had the bullet go to his front, and I was there.
The video of him dropping trou to check to see if he shot himself was priceless. No, I do not have a copy.

 

[sohcgt2]

Another crock. After doing 10 months for strongarm robbery, he was definitely NOT getting into the military.

It said he planned to join. Many people plan to join that are not acceptable candidates and recruiters make them think they can. My nephew wanted to join and his recruiter made him think he could pass the physical as long as he didn't mention the accident that caused his seizures (He has a scar on his head that took half of his ear). Brain damage due to head trauma and the recruiter thinks the doctor won't notice at entry physical.

"He was a very outgoing young man; he was very sweet," Brown said. "He was a part of our youth ministry. Always wanted to do the right thing. Yes, he had some trouble in the past, but when he came out, he had his head on right."

The upside to the Cochran story is that an illegal firearm was pulled from the streets and the prison system won't have to support him, since clearly his trouble was not in his past and his head was not on right.

 

[ezypikns]

I don't even know........

if this guy's accidental death even rates a discussion.

It's probably unfair of me to say this, but I wonder if death by gunshot wasn't an inevitability for him. Maybe just not by his own hand.

 

[mbt2001]

Most likely the dude was wearing baggy pants, reached back to the gun to hitch the pants and bang... When you carry a gun, you tend to want to touch it and use it to hitch... Good belt and good holster stop this, BUT he wasn't using them and was wearing baggy clothes.

1.) Back pocket carry
2.) no holster
3.) Condition one carry
4.) baggy clothes
5.) no compliance with the 4 rules

He died. As the mod said, this is a clinic in how NOT TO carry a piece.

 

[Mr_Rogers]

Illegal gun ownership, friends with guns, baggy pants, an SUV at 19 years old.
Sounds like high-risk living to me.

 

[1858rem]

He somehow actuated a double-action Revolver, with no hands...while it was in his pocket...

Hmmmmm...


Was he carrying it 'Cocked'?

jazzieite needs to teach him something about decocking a DA

 

[krs]

loadedround:"Don't you have to be over 21 to buy cigarettes in NYC?"

Huh? Maybe it is, but this occured in Charleston, South Carolina or thereabouts..

Darwin Award material for sure. Might not win, but it's gotta' be good for second runner up.

 

[1858rem]

Since the gun isn't in any kind of holster, it can be sitting in that pocket at any old angle.

seems to me the way a revo is built it would want to lay horizontal, barrel pointing either the left bottom or right bottom of the pocket, so how does it get turned around, away from how gravity naturally pulls it, to be able to shoot him in the chest, at a steep enough angle to hit vitals, since a gut shot would probably take a lot longer to kill him and possibly give him time to recieve aid.

 

[Avenger29]

Even if this guy wasn't a saint it is pretty low class to laugh at someones death.

Everytime a thug or apprentice thug departs this earth, it's a win. One less to commit crime, one less to take up my tax dollars, one less to commit a crime against me or my family. A win in every way.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I can't say that I am especially heart broken over this one.

 

[Dravur]

Yep, I cant muster up enough emotion on this one to shed a single tear. Darwin award winner for 2009.

 

[MisterMike]

While I do not necessarily lament this guy's death, neither do I rejoice in it. It seems like another instance of a dumb kid whose life was going nowhere, only to be cut short by his own stupidity. The tragedy is not in this guy's death, but in the fact that so many are on the same trajectory.

 

[dom1104]

Hmm, I think all the bit about the pants, suv etc are all extraneous, the point I took away from this story is, pocket carry is dangerous.

I think the only thing I would be comfortable in my pocket is a hammerless revolver like a 442

 

[John E.]

"the point I took away from this story is, pocket carry is dangerous."

How about semi-automatic, empty chamber?

 

[DHJenkins]

Yet another reason people should pull their darned pants up.

 

[c919]

the point I took away from this story is, pocket carry is dangerous.

No. uneducated no holster thug pocket carry is dangerous.

I would have no problem pocket carrying as long as it was holstered and I was employing the available safety features of said gun.

It's really quite simple: Don't carry a gun in your pocket without the trigger being shrouded by a holster.

 

[sohcgt2]

While I do not necessarily lament this guy's death, neither do I rejoice in it. It seems like another instance of a dumb kid whose life was going nowhere, only to be cut short by his own stupidity. The tragedy is not in this guy's death, but in the fact that so many are on the same trajectory.

A little truth.

 

[orionengnr]

Even if this guy wasn't a saint it is pretty low class to laugh at someones death....

I did not hear anyone laughing. Perhaps some incredulous scoffing here and there...
Of course, my usual statement is "I love a happy ending". Call me a cynic. Call me an insensitive ba$****. Call me a pragmatist.

I just had an idea of another possible cause of discharge. Perhaps he reached down to pull up his very low pants in order to get into the car. Grabbing at the pants he might have gotten the trigger.

Sounds plausible.

This one goes in the "children killed by guns" category. I think they go all they way up to 20 with their definition of "children", just to make sure they get to include most gang shootings in their statistics.

Twenty-five, last time I checked. Children, mein arsch.