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If you need 30 rounds for self defense you are either in a war zone or a poor shot. Just saying.....

Given certain current events, being in a "war zone" doesn't seem such an extreme possibility .... these days .......:(:confused:

Seriously, though, I tend to react negatively to this post because of the antigun rhetoric of the next-in-line president, though you may not have intended this at all. I'm a staunch supporter of the 2A and would strongly oppose gun and magazine bans.
 
LOL..you beat me to it!

Personally I think 30 round magazines take away from the handiness of the rifle, and let's see a fella try to shoot prone with one inserted!

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I personally don't think the 30 rnd makes much difference between the 15 rnders so far as handiness. As far as shooting prone is concerned I haven't ever tried it. The military issues 30 round mags for their current duty rifle and it works ok..... but do current soldiers really do much prone shooting in modern wars? I don't think it's a big issue unless you're at a nice grassy range.
 
Yep easy peasy swap of the M1 and M2 magazine catch. Most Carbines that went through refurb and have a bayonet lug and adjustable rear sights have one, but not all as folks are discovering.

Detent plunger and spring visible through hole in bottom of trigger housing.

Biggest issue with 30 rounders is commercial brands not working.

-kBob
AIM Surplus is selling 30 round mags made in Korea, work perfectly in my '43 Underwood Carbine with the M-1 mag catch.

I think it's the same producer for Korean military Carbines, and at $14 are quite the bargain.
 
If you need 30 rounds for self defense you are either in a war zone or a poor shot. Just saying.....
If you were ever attacked by more than one person, I really doubt you would be saying "I am glad I only had a 10 or 15 round magazine." Seems like a statement that makes a lot of assumptions about what "self defense" will be. I agree that the averages say you won't need more than handful of rounds, but if you actually use a gun for self defense in the first place, you are already going against the average.
 
Given certain current events, being in a "war zone" doesn't seem such an extreme possibility .... these days .......:(:confused:

Seriously, though, I tend to react negatively to this post because of the antigun rhetoric of the next-in-line president, though you may not have intended this at all. I'm a staunch supporter of the 2A and would strongly oppose gun and magazine bans.

Perhaps some folks in Colorado are now accustomed to the 15 round mag limit law?

Unfortunately, something like that could happen to the rest of us.
 
Biggest issue with 30 rounders is commercial brands not working.
Which is not entirely the commercial brands' fault. The 30 magazine 'design' was a bit of a kludge from get-go. It's straight for the well length of a 15, then curves to match the rounds' taper. There's a whole mess of goofy tolerances involved.
None of which were helped by the initial military requirement having them be an expendable item.
Sort of, Doctrine had not solidified, so they were issued with strippers of ammo for reloading magazines, and three total mags were considered sufficient. Which later changed to bandoliers of loaded 15 round mags.
 
Today's prices make me glad that I purchased my Quality Hardware carbine back when prices were more sane. Quite handy, and it has been 100% with both original and Korean mags.
 
Here is my wonderful U.S. Carbine, Caliber .30, M1:

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1943 Underwood pre-Korea refurb with bayonet lug and adjustable sights etc. The carrying case, sling, oiler, stock pouch, magazines, and ammunition are all WW2 vintage and in excellent serviceable condition. It shoots great with the 1943 Lake City ball. Would not hesitate to grab this carbine to defend freedom even today. They built them to last back then. I wish my best love to you all on this Holdiay season. Thank you.

If she invited me to the dance I'd dress up pretty. What a great picture.....
 
Just to clarify, I am not against 30 round magazines at all as I have well over a dozen of them for my AR's. But, I have a couple of .38 revolvers and a pump action 12 ga shotgun with a 1/4" over minimum barrel for "home defense." If a crowd is coming I have a variety of SKS's, AR's M1's, M1 carbines, and a reliable old AK-47 with enough ammunition to hold out for a coon's age.......
 
If you need 30 rounds for self defense you are either in a war zone or a poor shot. Just saying.....
I understand why you might think that, but it's always good to have more than you think you might need than less.

I heard people on my job say that about revolvers, "If I can't take care of business with 5 shots....". Then an off duty officer in my agency emptied his revolver into a robbery suspect who turned on him while he was apprehending him and shot him with a single shot from a .25. Officer dead, mutt still alive. All 5 shots hit the perp. Might also say something about .38Spl. from a 2" barrel and the state of the art of cartridges at the time. And shot placement.

I was on the board of directors of our organization and wrote and met with the administration of the agency, and put forth a case for semi-autos with more capacity. I don't know if my pleading had anything to do with it, but they did start gun trials and we did transition to Glock 19's and 26's not long after.

And I was very glad to have the extra capacity.
 
i have owned quite a few carbines over the years, but have kept this rebuilt winchester. the fighting knife was given to me by a friend who,s dad carried in the south pacfic and will stay as long as i,m here.
 

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I once read in a medical journal about WW2 battle wounds about a Pacific Theater soldier who was shot with a rifle through the brain and survived. He didn't even know he'd been shot until his CO took off his helmet and showed him the bullet holes. The bullet went precisely in between the right and left half of his brain.
"Life is strange sometimes." Yes .... it gets stranger in war.
 
i also saw a vc with a sachal take hits at 80-90 yards from a m-16 and keep comming, a m-60 damn near cut him in half. you have to hit them right with a ap round, the same goes for any round.
 
i also saw a vc with a sachal take hits at 80-90 yards from a m-16 and keep comming, a m-60 damn near cut him in half. you have to hit them right with a ap round, the same goes for any round.
No different from any other round in that respect. But in combat you don't have the option of resting your rifle over your pack, ranging the target with a laser and so on. You have to take whatever shot you can, and extra power doesn't hurt at all.
 
Kinda why I was partial to the M-60 and when I could get one a M2 .50 Cal. on convoys. Some units got quad fifty's. I wasn't that lucky but yeah bigger and faster is better. And I should add more ammo is better too. Being ready for something is good. Being ready for anything is better.
 
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