WARNING- Para-Ordnance Weapons Are Garbage! Do Not Buy Para-Ordnance

[geekWithA.45]

Yeah, OK.

You got a lemon.

You're upset about it.

That's reasonable.

Now go get your money back and cool off.

*sheesh*

 

[EOTechRulesAll]

I also used Remington UMC, Federal hollow-points, and Golden Sabre... NONE of them were accepted by the Carry 12.

 

[guntotinguy]

Bought a 3" slimhawg back a few months ago...cleaned it up,started to fire it,and had a few feeding problems.came with 2 mags...and it WAS the mags causing the problem...love the gun,and keep it with me 24/7.I kept firing FMJ Winchester rounds until it loosened up,havent had a problem with it since,guess I got a good one.Thinking about buying a nite-tac just for the heck of it,see what happens.


BTW the wife has a Kimber Ultra carry 2,did the same thing with feeding,also turned out to be the mags also,needing these to 'work right' is vital for our CCW carry's.

Better luck!

 

[NWdude83]

I've put a couple hundred cheap rounds through my P14 so far. Its still going strong.

 

[EOTechRulesAll]

I don't know if this matters for much, but loading the mags is quite an effort for the 11th and 12th rounds... They feel VERY tight, as though the springs are "virgins" that need to be "broken in" although I had them loaded and left them loaded for about three weeks each. I also included the magazines with the weapon when I sent it back to the factory and they said everything was fine...

 

[SigP232]

If the gun jammed 50 times in a row, then you need to let someone other than yourself shoot the gun.

 

[EOTechRulesAll]

If it matters for anything, my dad shot it the one day we went outside (second shooting session) and it frequently jammed on/off for him.

This is not a shooter related problem. I watched the DVD they included with the pistol and have maintained the grip as mentioned and demonstrated in the instructional DVD footage.

 

[guntotinguy]

The gun store where we bought the slimhawg did replace ONE of the mags,it seemed to work OK,but the second mag,to loosen the spring just a little and see if I could correct the problem,I kept pressuring the mag (I know thats NOT a good thing)after loaded keeping pressure on the top round and that did seem to make it work after all.

Originally the mags were a little 'sticky' and needed a real good cleaning (then the slimhawg too) but thats us...guns are machines and can break or be faulty,as Im sure you know.

If the gun jammed 50 times in a row, then you need to let someone other than yourself shoot the gun.

Yep,the wife and I always consider (with ourselves) that it could be,most likely,operator error SigP232 has a good idea....at least you would have a reliable (hopefully) witness.

Again better luck!

 

[junok]

Para Ordnance 45

I have 5 .45 pistols- a Government Model 1911A1, a Colt Systema (identical to a 1911A1), 2 Ballester Molinas (Argentine similar to a Colt, but updated) and a Taurus Millenium Pro. Every one of them shot just fine out of the box with GI magazines. The idea that an expensive pistol needs to be shot several hundred rounds before it becomes dependable is crazy.
As a matter of caution, I usually put 50 or so rounds per magazine thru a proposed carry pistol, just to be certain, but I am primarily testing the mags and getting used to the trigger.
I have yet to see one of the current crop of high priced 1911s that made any sense unless it was to be used ONLY for target work, and the user was lucky or had a good smith tune it. I would never bet my life on a target tuned weapon.
Frank

 

[chauncey]

If you want a compact .45, I'd recommend a Glock 36, or 30 if you want more capacity.

 

[RancidSumo]

Rancid Sumo, are you kidding me?

I would sell you this pistol along with an excellent galco leather belt concealment holster, and the two magazines for $1,000 dollars... The factory plastic case, manual, magazines, everything that came with it.

If you want it (at that price), along with all the stuff, it is yours...

I'll even clean the damn thing and lube it before I send it to you.

Why on earth would I pay $1000 for a used gun that I can get new for <900? I am 16, I don't need a concelment holster.

 

[EOTechRulesAll]

If you are 16 then I cannot sell you any sort of gun...

The real question is... Why on Earth would you offer to buy this gun from me after reading this thread...

Hey, I figured if you're crazy enough to buy it after reading this thread, why not throw out the ballpark figure of $1,000 dollars and begin the process of haggling...

 

[SWModel19]

You should get your money back and buy a Bersa Thunder 45 Ultra Compact and a bunch of ammo (for FUN, not for "breaking in"). My Bersa is accurate and reliable. Once I got ahold of some really crappy ammo that jammed EVERY other .45 I own (the only time my ParaOrdnance ever jammed, FWIW) and my Bersa ate even that junk. I agree with you and the others who are critical of "breaking in" periods. But I've been fortunate enough to never have had a firearm that didn't work right out of the box.

 

[Powderman]

Well, if you want a humble recommendation for a handgun you CAN bet your life on--if you like the 1911 platform, may I suggest the following...



Yes, it's true...the rest are copies.

 

[RancidSumo]

If you are 16 then I cannot sell you any sort of gun...

The real question is... Why on Earth would you offer to buy this gun from me after reading this thread...

Hey, I figured if you're crazy enough to buy it after reading this thread, why not throw out the ballpark figure of $1,000 dollars and begin the process of haggling...

You can sell it to my mom, how do you think I got all my other guns?

 

[Brenainn]

Even if the gun turns out half way decent in the end, you'll hate it so much by then that you might as well move on now! It's no use at this point! I feel for you though... I have bought and shot a dud before and it isn't fun.

 

[EOTechRulesAll]

Now that I know that you, a minor, are the ultimate end-user of the product, there might be legal implications with such a transaction.

Plus, anybody who wouldn't be open to at least $800, wouldn't be able to get anywhere with me in negotiations.

I can either return the darn thing and get my money back (from the manufacturer), get a new gun (from the manufacturer), return it to the retailer, or if nobody will take it back, dispute the charges as provided for due to a refusal of the retailer to recognize my rightful and legal revocation of acceptance.

I'll just tell the manufacturer that I am going to carry the firearm, use it for defense, and when I get hurt/killed because it fails me, they will have a wrongful death lawsuit on their hands, and a product liability lawsuit... Strict liability maintains that the consumer doesn't even have to stop using it once they know it is defective...

http://www.west.net/~smith/strict.htm


Besides, they repeatedly assured me that it will work and it just needs "time" so I suppose I am going to just tell them that I may very well one day be in Iraq and/or Afghanistan and I will using this firearm as a sidearm, and my dad (executor of my estate) will be quite aware of this fact, and will be retaining an attorney so the second I die when this pistol fails, they will be sued until they are bankrupt...

Of course I'd prefer NOT to use this pistol in any sort of capacity, but I am going to tell them that as long as it remains in my possession or on the market, or in anybody's possession, it is setting them up for a mega-lawsuit... They need to give me money, take back the pistol, and throw the thing into a blast furnace before somebody gets hurt when it fails them at a crucial moment...

 

[EOTechRulesAll]

I buy a LOT of guns... I have made about fifteen firearms purchases in the last few years... When a company fails me, I let them know about it... My money spends well, although it does NOT spend well with companies that either make bad products that do not work New out of the box, or that fail to seasonably correct the problem.

I will never buy anything that Century has made/touched/etc, again, aside from prehaps another SAR-1 if I see a decent one out there... But I will NEVER under any circumstances buy a Century AK-74 unless for some odd reason I just want one to store away somewhere and I can inspect it first... That would be the ONLY exception to the Century rule...

There are a number of companies that have lost my business as far as buying firearms from them goes...

 

[EOTechRulesAll]

Keep in mind in the last year I have had the following happen to me...

Vector UZI, NIB- did not work (failed to fire, light strikes, 5-10 out of every 25 rounds, winchester FMJ ammo) it was fixed although today it did one light strike out of 250 rounds but this is somewhat/sort of tolerable.

PTR-91, NIB- did not work (failed to fire, light strikes, failed to eject, every other round, South African surplus, Wolf, Remington Core-Lokt, Silver Bear). It mostly works now, it does fine with Wolf but with South African surplus it seems to have a 5-10% failure rate.

Para-Ordnance Carry 12, NIB, does not work (you all know the deal here).


For a shooter, there is nothing more aggrevating than having to ship a new out of the box weapon, for which you paid near or over $1,000 dollars, back to the factory so they can fix it and make it work. They claim that they do quality control tests and firing tests on weapons, but I find that hard to believe...

In the case of my Vector Uzi, the folding stock wouldn't even lock open, something that would have been discovered in about five seconds have they actually done a quality check test...

With the PTR-91, they claimed they fired 20 rounds through it, but that was clearly a lie since I tried 20 rounds of South African surplus and 12 of them did not fire, and then I tried 20 rounds of Wolf and about 7 of them did not fire... If they fired 20 rounds, they would have had at least five no-fires... Not to mention I also used Remington Core-Lokt and had about 8 failure-to-fires (light strikes).


I have bought at least eight surplus rifles (with my C&R) and they all work fine, even though some of them are Indian 2A Enfields and those are not known for quality... If an Indian rifle can work despite being 40 years old and well, from India, then a $1200 dollar PTR-91 ought to work new out of the box.

Quality assurance standards have been nuked all too hell in the USA. They just don't care what leaves the factories these days, as long as they meet their numbers...