redactor
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I did it in two separate guns this morning.
Warning: Wolf 9x18mm Squib
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I did it in two separate guns this morning.
The problem is that you chambered a 9x19 case. He is saying the entire cartridge cannot be chambered. Both may be correct.
As I understand, your theory is that you got 9x19 cases loaded with 9x18 charges and bullets.
As a result, both of you may be correct- a case will fit, but a cartridge will not.
Halo
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It probably chambered because it couldn't headspace on the case mouth, since the Mak chamber is a bit wider.
Did the spent 9x19 casings you found appear to be deformed?
Did the spent 9x19 casings you found appear to be deformed?
Funderb
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You know wolf is the same as
golden tiger
silver bear
golden bear
brown bear
etc animal themed cartridges.
golden tiger
silver bear
golden bear
brown bear
etc animal themed cartridges.
redactor
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It was the whole cartridge.
I had some 9x19 dummy rounds, loaded with Hornady 124 gr. flat point bullets seated to 1.050. After I tried the empty case, I tried the dummy cartridges. The slide closed on the WHOLE CARTRIDGE. NOT just and empty case. In TWO different CZ-82s. The disconnector even fit into its notch, allowing the hammer to drop.
If there had been powder and primer in it, it WOULD have fired.
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Halo
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I think Golden Tiger is Ulyanovsk, though I could certainly be wrong. On the subject of Makarov ammo, I found the LVE ammo from Novosibirsk to be much better than Wolf. It's the stuff in light blue boxes with copper washed steel cases.
redactor
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Nope.
redactor
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It was a normal 9mm Luger dummy. 1.050 is the COL Hornady gives for that bullet in the 7th Edition manual. I didn't try any 115 gr. round-nose, because I don't have any dummies of those made up.
The point I'm trying to make is that at least with some bullet profiles, the CZ-82 can and will chamber 9mm Luger rounds.
I edited my last post to tone it down some, sorry if I was sounding hysterical.
Wow!
I really wasn't aware of that.
In that case I'm glad you brought it up because with the difference in pressures, if you somehow did manage to get a standard 9mm Luger chambered in an 82 you'd probably get hurt within a few rounds.
It's a good thing to be aware of.
Too bad you don't have any 9mmx19 rounds left in your ammo because that would be irrefutable proof (although it seems like you're probably right).
I really wasn't aware of that.
In that case I'm glad you brought it up because with the difference in pressures, if you somehow did manage to get a standard 9mm Luger chambered in an 82 you'd probably get hurt within a few rounds.
It's a good thing to be aware of.
Too bad you don't have any 9mmx19 rounds left in your ammo because that would be irrefutable proof (although it seems like you're probably right).
How far did you look for the Makarov cases? 9X18 cases usually get thrown pretty far when they eject. I really doubt that you got 9mm Luger in a box of 9mm makarov. A 9X19 will fit in the chamber of 9X18 gun as the bullet diameter is bigger in the 9X18(.365) versus 9X19(.355). Are you sure that noone else was there in between the time you shot those rounds out of your pistol and the time you found the 9X19 shells? I would be willing to bet you just got 1 squib load in a 9X18 shell, and the other 9X19 shells came from someone else.
redactor
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Yes. Black box Wolf.
Pretty far and wide. The station at which I was shooting has a 10-foot high berm less than 10 feet on my right. I looked all over the estate, front, back, left, and right of where I was firing.
That certainly is a possibility.
waterhouse
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I would tend to agree with Nickotym.
If I read your posts correctly, you had about 220 rounds, you shot 18, and none of the remaining rounds have Luger head stamps. It seems it would take some pretty crazy odds that you picked all of the Luger marked ones and shot them, leaving none in your remaining stash.
Either way, glad you are OK.
If I read your posts correctly, you had about 220 rounds, you shot 18, and none of the remaining rounds have Luger head stamps. It seems it would take some pretty crazy odds that you picked all of the Luger marked ones and shot them, leaving none in your remaining stash.
Either way, glad you are OK.
Brad Johnson
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It is.
I've put in excess of ten thousand rounds of Wolf in various calibers through my guns.
Squibs are a fact of life with any ammo. I've personally had one, or have first-hand knowledge of one, for pretty much every manufacturer out there. When you're making hundreds of millions of rounds a year there will always be a few imperfect loads that sneak through.
Brad
redactor when I was speaking about 9x19 not fitting into a 9x18 gun, I was speaking of my Makarov PM...I'm not saying its not possible, just very difficult.
When I was messing with my makarov one night, I tried putting a 9x19 case in the chamber and closing the slide. It didn't do it easily, so I retracted the slide and let it slam forward. *STUPID* because I couldn't get the slide back open...I was kicking myself for a few hours for doing that until I finally was able to retract the slide and eject the 9x19 case. It was chewed up badly, and I swore to myself I'd never do something so dumb again.
The mak's fine, and has shot many more (as in, at least 250+) rounds of 9x18 since then, so at least I didn't damage the extractor
When I was messing with my makarov one night, I tried putting a 9x19 case in the chamber and closing the slide. It didn't do it easily, so I retracted the slide and let it slam forward. *STUPID* because I couldn't get the slide back open...I was kicking myself for a few hours for doing that until I finally was able to retract the slide and eject the 9x19 case. It was chewed up badly, and I swore to myself I'd never do something so dumb again.
The mak's fine, and has shot many more (as in, at least 250+) rounds of 9x18 since then, so at least I didn't damage the extractor
Funderb
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oh your right.
my mistake. I was told that fable by one of your
so called stool-sitter knowledge kings.
however, wolf does have a 100% gay-run-tee provided it's not operator error.
my mistake. I was told that fable by one of your
so called stool-sitter knowledge kings.
however, wolf does have a 100% gay-run-tee provided it's not operator error.
Funderb
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either way, the animal companies reside in russia, no?
bogie
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Well, as a stoolshooter...
You can have squib in ANY round, from ANY manufacturer... I've had primers malfunction in carefully-hand-loaded match rounds... Sometimes stuff just doesn't work right...
(actually, I do own www.stoolshooter.com, and I'm doing some sort of web shooter's supply with it shortly...).
You can have squib in ANY round, from ANY manufacturer... I've had primers malfunction in carefully-hand-loaded match rounds... Sometimes stuff just doesn't work right...
(actually, I do own www.stoolshooter.com, and I'm doing some sort of web shooter's supply with it shortly...).
Truesilver
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Yikes. Not a big 9mm person. The only handgun I use is a .22LR chambered "saturday night special" type. And I'm still working on the 800 rounds of ammo that I inherited with my grandfather's 1970's winchester rifle.
That said, I looked at buying Wolf ammo for my M38. But then I saw the note about them still using the corrosive primers in their version of 7.62x54R cartridges. My M38 is a WWII issued rifle, and I'm not willing to risk corrosive primer residue damage to the pristine bore. So I went with Sellier&Bellot for a teeny bit more.
This little episode only hardens my resolve not to buy Wolf ammo, really. Mispacked rounds can be lethal...
That said, I looked at buying Wolf ammo for my M38. But then I saw the note about them still using the corrosive primers in their version of 7.62x54R cartridges. My M38 is a WWII issued rifle, and I'm not willing to risk corrosive primer residue damage to the pristine bore. So I went with Sellier&Bellot for a teeny bit more.
This little episode only hardens my resolve not to buy Wolf ammo, really. Mispacked rounds can be lethal...
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