Was Heller Insignificant?

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Gun Rights and the Constitution: Was Heller Insignificant?
by David Kopel


David Kopel is a policy analyst with the Cato Institute, in Washington, D.C., and research director of the Independence Institute, in Golden, Colo.

This article appeared in The New Ledger on March 26, 2009.



Has the Supreme Court decision in District of Columbia v. Heller-which affirmed the Second Amendment and declared the D.C. handgun ban unconstitutional-been of almost no significance? So claimed the New York Times in a recent article by Supreme Court reporter Adam Liptak. Unfortunately, Liptak's article followed in a long New York Times tradition of credulously reporting the claims of one anti-gun professor, without conducting sufficient research to see if the claims hold up.

Let's start with the most obvious facts which the Times overlooked. On the day that Heller was decided, the citizens of five Chicago suburbs, and of Chicago itself, were prohibited from owning guns. Residents of apartments provided by the San Francisco Housing Authority were prohibited from owning any gun. Within 24 hours of the Heller decision, gun rights organizations--including the National Rifle Association (NRA) and the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF)--filed lawsuits against the gun bans.

Today, the residents of San Francisco public housing can own guns in their homes. In four of the five Chicago suburbs (Morton Grove, Evanston, Wilmette, and Winnetka), the handgun bans have been repealed. Yet according to the Times, "So far, Heller is firing blanks."

The Times came that erroneous conclusion, it appears, by credulously relying on UCLA law professor Adam Winkler. The Times quotes Winkler: "To date, the federal courts have not invalidated a single gun control law on the basis of the Second Amendment since Heller." The Times does mention one exception to Winkler's claim, a recent case holding that the federal ban on gun possession by anyone who has been charged (but not convicted) of possessing child pornography is unconstitutional.

But there are many more exceptions that the Times missed. Gun owners have already won in San Francisco, and they won in the four Chicago suburbs.

The Times quoted Winkler: "the only real change from Heller is that gun owners have to pay higher legal fees to find out that they lose." Yet attorney David Hardy reported in January on his Arms and the Law weblog the San Francisco Housing Authority will be paying the attorneys fees for the plaintiff gun owners there (although the settlement terms of the San Francisco surrender are confidential).

But Winkler (and, derivatively, the Times) does not count or even acknowledge the existence of these victories. Winkler's database of cases includes only opinions written by federal courts. So if a gun rights group brings a suit in federal district court, or threatens to bring such a suit, and the gun-banning defendant realizes that defeat is likely, and then the defendant changes its anti-gun policies, Winkler and the Times ignore the result.

Likewise ignored is a win which does not generate a written opinion published in the Westlaw or Lexis databases. For example, in November, the NRA and SAF filed a lawsuit in federal district court in the Western District of Washington. Washington is the only state in the nation which requires legal resident aliens to obtain a special license in order to possess firearms, and the state licensing division was refusing to issue any alien licenses.

On January 27, the federal court entered a preliminary injunction, ordering the Washington Department of Licensing to resume issuing alien firearms licenses.

Nobody challenged the constitutionality of the state alien licensing law--just the Department's denial of constitutional rights by failing to carry out the law. So this Second Amendment victory does not count, by Winkler's hyper-narrow standard.

It likewise doesn't count for Winkler (and for the Times) when a defendant successfully invokes the Second Amendment to resist a criminal prosecution. That's what happened in United States v. Kitsch, decided last August in the federal district court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania.

In that case, Kitsch had once been an undercover informant for law enforcement officials in New Jersey. The court explained his unusual circumstances:

As a means of helping the narcotics officer with whom he was working... Kitsch set a small, smoky fire on the windowsill of the barn and then promptly called the fire department . . . . As a result of the fire, Kitsch was charged with third-degree arson, a felony under both New Jersey and federal law. He pled guilty to the state offense after meeting with law enforcement officials who told him they would set aside the conviction and Kitsch could live as though the event had never happened. Although he served a thirty-day custodial sentence on Sundays, Kitsch avers that he truly and reasonably believed that his conviction had either been set aside or expunged.
Later, federal prosecutors in Pennsylvania brought charges against Kitsch, because it is illegal for someone with a felony conviction to possess a gun. The prosecutors argued that Kitsch's sincere belief that he was not a convicted felon was irrelevant. The judge disagreed, and ruled that "in order to convict Kitsch, the Government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he knew or was willfully blind to the fact that he had a prior felony conviction that had not been set aside or expunged." The court explained that, post-Heller, the government's strict liability interpretation of the statute might turn the statute into a violation of the Second Amendment.

Not a Second Amendment victory, according to Winkler and the Times. But hardly consistent with Winkler's claim that "the only real change from Heller is that gun owners have to pay higher legal fees to find out that they lose."

Winkler's extremely narrow field of vision also ignores state courts. So there's no mention of cases like Colvaiacolo v. Dormer, the October decision from a trial court in Suffolk County, New York, holding that New York State cannot require handgun licensees to keep their handguns locked in safe when not in use, because Heller ruled a similar requirement in D.C. unconstitutional.

It's true that, as Winkler points out, federal courts have rejected lots of Second Amendment claims brought by convicted felons, and by persons convicted of domestic violence, or by persons wishing to possess machine guns. This is no surprise, nor is it contrary to what was sought by the lawyers on the winning side of Heller. I was one of three lawyers who joined Alan Gura at the Supreme Court counsel table, as assistants in his presentation of the oral argument. I also wrote an amicus brief for a broad coalition of law enforcement organizations, and for half the District Attorneys in California; that brief argued that gun bans for people such as domestic abusers were consistent with the Second Amendment. Another group of District Attorneys, led by Maricopa County, Arizona, submitted an amicus brief explaining why gun bans for law-abiding citizens were unconstitutional, while gun bans for criminals were not. Likewise, thirty-one state Attorneys General filed an amicus brief on behalf of Mr. Heller, and they too foresaw no possibility that gun bans for convicted criminals or machine gun bans would be endangered by a Second Amendment victory.

Of course criminal defense lawyers often have to grasp at straws to defend their clients, so it's not surprising that there have been plenty of post-Heller cases in which defense lawyers have raised near-hopeless Second Amendment claims. It's hardly news that these cases have been losers.

Although the Times does not discuss Professor Winkler's role in Heller, he is not a disinterested academic. He filed an amicus brief on D.C.'s side, in which he argued that gun controls should be upheld if they are "reasonable," and that anything short of banning all guns is reasonable.

Justice Breyer and the three other Heller dissenters argued in favor of the reasonableness standard, while Justice Scalia's majority opinion explicitly rejected it.

David Kopel is a policy analyst with the Cato Institute, in Washington, D.C., and research director of the Independence Institute, in Golden, Colo.

More by David B. KopelNow, Winkler appears to be spinning the news by making it appear that post-Heller courts are, in effect, following his (rejected) standard. That's Winkler's prerogative, but the New York Times is not supposed to be so gullible.

Times writer Adam Liptak did talk with Sanford Levinson, an eminent professor of constitutional law at the University of Texas, who wrote a very influential article in the Yale Law Journal in 1989, recognizing the Second Amendment as an individual right. But while Levinson is a superstar of constitutional theory, he does not track the Second Amendment on a case by case basis.

As a journalist, Liptak should have tested Winkler's claims by speaking with a "pro-gun" attorney or a scholar with extensive knowledge of post-Heller litigation. David Hardy would have been a good choice, as would Alan Gura or Stephen Halbrook--both of whom have won some of the Second Amendment victories detailed above.

Then, Liptak might still have written an article explaining that Heller has not led to a raft of federal gun control laws being declared unconstitutional. But Liptak would not have inaccurately written that "So far, Heller is firing blanks." The attorneys for the State of Washington, the San Francisco Housing Authority, Wilmette, Evanston, Morton Grove, Winnetka, and Suffolk County are among those who know better.
 
It's true that, as Winkler points out, federal courts have rejected lots of Second Amendment claims brought by convicted felons, and by persons convicted of domestic violence, or by persons wishing to possess machine guns. This is no surprise, nor is it contrary to what was sought by the lawyers on the winning side of Heller. I was one of three lawyers who joined Alan Gura at the Supreme Court counsel table, as assistants in his presentation of the oral argument.

What is with this continuing embracement of machine gun bans by these folks from Cato, an organization that claims to concern themselves with "promoting public policy based on individual liberty, limited government..."

Do they reckon that the folks can be trusted with semi-auto ARs and AKs, but selective fire would somehow be beyond what they could safely handle?
 
Heller proved that the 2nd amendment applies to individuals, not just a "well formed militia" which many anti's tried to claim was the National Guard.

It was rather significant.
 
I would agree that Heller only accomplished a little for the most restrictive states and locations.

The reason for a left leaning individual Mr WInkler to say so in the article is clear, if they describe the case as meaning nothing and that becomes the general perception in 5-10 years the case really will have meant nothing. Public perception can be slowly altered to pre-Heller and any gains made in Heller lost.

However Heller upheld a lot of gun control. It said while it is a right, that essentialy the type of gun can be controlled (within lawyer defined limits of future cases) and prohibited classes are upheld.
If people can be made into prohibited classes it essentialy means only those who the government wishes will be armed, anyone else can be tried and convicted. Most people can be found to violate something in the federal code or the tax code, even if they have no idea they violated it.
Further if I as a ruler can decree a law, and anyone who violates that law can be disarmed, I can decree whatever I want and the people are of little importance. The only check and balance on me in that case is other rulers, and if they agree with me then there is is really no limit to my decrees and no real meaningful 2nd Amendment deterent. Further if I can limit the type of weapons the peasants have to arms ineffective against my troops, my forces will always have better ones and are sure to prevail in any potential disagreement with my decrees or resulting uprising.


Since Heller upheld by acknowledging without repeal that ability to permanently prohibit individuals for life even if they are free in society the 2nd Amendment right is essentialy dead. Absent additional legislation it is not an inalienable right as envisioned, it is a state granted privelidge.
Verified with a SCOTUS decision.
The Right has been replaced with the 2nd Amendment privelidge that everyone is presumed to be able to enjoy unless government decides otherwise on an individual basis. So blanket bans on the privelidge are not allowed.


Heller proved that the 2nd amendment applies to individuals, not just a "well formed militia" which many anti's tried to claim was the National Guard.

It was rather significant.

I disagree. That was a modern anti view that had little traction and all anyone had to do was review the documented arguments between the founding fathers to know the exact reason they wanted the 2nd Amendment. They left no doubt the intent was so the population could resist tyranny or oppression foriegn (a major threat considering they now were a small weak nation ripe for attack from many big European powers including the very English they broke from, which would happen in 1812) or domestic (They were keenly aware a nation's own leaders could become self serving tyrants, and throughout documented history often did.)
 
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Winkler's conclusions are utterly devoid of any legal analysis . . . they're the almost nonsensical ramblings of an anti-gun, anti-civil rights nutcase. Speaking as a lawyer, I view Heller as incredibly significant. No, it may not have gone as far as we pro-rights types might have hoped, but it shot down the notion that the Second Amendment does not confer an individual right to keep and bear arms.

However narrow the "victory," the decision was quite important in further defining the protections of the Bill of Rights. Notably, most of the anti-gun, anti-rights crowd has now had to shift their tactics, and no longer are hanging their hats on the argument that no individual right to keep and bear arms exists. Now, they are focused on whether this right extends to preclude states' abridgement of the right and on the limits of the individual right.

The whole notion of basing a decision's impact on an arbitrary scorecard of "wins and losses" is utterly absurd from the perspective of Constitutional scholarship.
 
I agree with the commentary made at the time of the decision, that the significance of the decision cannot be overstated.

BUT, there exists a need to make sure that we don't allow ourselves to be put on the defensive. WE must be the ones to define what "Reasonable restrictions" are before the other side does it for us. This decision will be the foundation for twenty years' worth of legal and political maneuvering to recover and bolster gun rights if we do our part and don't get complacent.
 
Heller is very significant. It's a concrete foundation to allow us to expound upon our rights and start overriding crappy legislation in the states once we get the 2A incorporated.
 
Makes sense Zoogster. I'm just saying, now legally, the argument can't be made (no matter how insignificant) that we as individuals aren't guaranteed firearms. Now, legally, Communism or Socialism would be harder to attain since (which I believe Social Liberals like Pelosi and Obama are trying to achieve), from my understanding, they (c's and s's) usually say something along the lines of "individuals don't need firearms for protection" (which probably had something to do with the 94 awb, correct me if i'm wrong).

To clarify, I never believed that it was meant for something like the National Guard. "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms" seems pretty clear to me.
 
That ruling can and likely will be changed if BHO gets a few apointments. Judges are the means by which our rights will peaceably be defended and restored. The sooner people understand that the sooner the rest of the problems will be solved.
 
Except that the two justices likely to retire in BHO's administration voted against Heller, and in replacing them he won't change the count at all. You must also realize that the Supreme Court will not visit the issue again unless a new question arises. The lower courts will only send it up if Stare Decisis (The doctrine that says to let the existing ruling stand) doesn't apply. They would have to have a NEW question, that the lower courts can't decide, that four of the five SC justices will agree to hear before it will be back in front of them again. Even if Obama did successfully shift the balance of the court, there is absolutely no way to ensure that the question gets to them when HE wants it to, and not say, after the NEXT administration, when the court may have been shifted the OTHER direction.

This is why many anti-gun groups didn't want Heller to go all the way to the Supreme Court. They knew that this kind of decision only comes once in DECADES, and they knew the court was stacked against them.
 
It is clear that winning Heller was not all good, but it is certain losing it would have been all bad.

Therefore we had to win it, which we did!
 
The reason that Heller has not seemed to have that big of an impact is because it left the question of incorporation unanswered (which is working its way up through the appellate courts to the Supreme Court). As soon as the Supreme Court declares that the 2nd Amendment applies to the states (which it almost certainly will if the current membership remains the same) there will be an enormous impact.
 
What is with this continuing embracement of machine gun bans

It is a Reaallllyyyy sensitive issue, that the average joes and janes who watch tv say "yeah nobody needs one".

Also it is a issue of contention with gun owners, usually every topic about 922o and it's overturn here will have people who support the ban show up, it is shocking to see this too.

Basically like I said it is so sensitive and such a hot button to get it undone you either need the perfect case, (not a felon with weed, or a person who reps them self in court) the closest we came was with Bill Akins who just lost his appeal, 2nd in getting legislature to do it (there is a petition that I will post in Activism after this) and that is something even Ron Paul has not done. Thus the odds are poor but I still have hope that someday I will be able to host the 1st Post-922o MG shoot,
 
Heller most certainly is a significant case. SCOTUS (and American courts in general for that matter) does not usually move in leaps and bounds. Justice Scalia's opinion lays solid groundwork for the advancement of pro-Second Amendment causes. In addition to the general holding, the opinion also decidedly debunks the myth that the RTKBA applies to a collective right to defense.
 
You must also realize that the Supreme Court will not visit the issue again unless a new question arises. The lower courts will only send it up if Stare Decisis (The doctrine that says to let the existing ruling stand) doesn't apply. They would have to have a NEW question, that the lower courts can't decide, that four of the five SC justices will agree to hear before it will be back in front of them again. Even if Obama did successfully shift the balance of the court, there is absolutely no way to ensure that the question gets to them when HE wants it to, and not say, after the NEXT administration, when the court may have been shifted the OTHER direction.
mljdeckard,
Your understanding of the court system is incorrect. For one thing, lower courts do not send cases up. The parties appeal the case to the higher court. You are right that 4 justices must vote to hear a case, but its any 4 of the 9, not 4 of 5. It also does not need to be a new question. It can be the same question but arising out of another jurisdiction. If the balance changes, they court COULD elect to hear the case. Having said that, I believe even if the balance of the court shifts, it is unlikely that the court will grant certiorari to a case that seeks to reverse Heller and even less likely that even if the case is heard, that they will reverse the decision. The SCOTUS does NOT like to reverse itself. It has happened before, but it is not common and I'd truly be surprised if they did.
 
As much as we would like to believe that the supreme (or any other) court is a learned and impartial body that "will always do the right thing", remember that for the first few generations of this country, they didn't have a problem with the legality of chattel slavery.

In fact they told Dred Scott the same thing they're telling the people who seek to challenge Obama's credentials to be President now - namely that "you don't have standing".
 
Lautenburg

The Lautenberg amendment is far more important. Prior you had to be a felon to be disbarred the ownership of a firearm. Now all they need is a conviction of domestic violence, which can be a yelling match with the wife...

Heller is a base. If we wait for the big dumb NRA to build, oh boy... we lose. CF Brady. If others build, then we might preserve much of our liberty... might.
 
Heller put a halt to illegal bans, and moved the battleground to "reasonable restriction". Now, we will be battling registration and ammo bans/limits/regulations. We will have to argue that registration is infringement, and ammo regulations are defacto bans. We will have to argue that AWB are arbitrary and unconstitutional... that there is functionally little difference between most "assault weapons" and any other semi automatic gun.
 
Heller is important, as stated above, in that the Supreme Court interpreted the Second Amendment as an individual right and not a collective right.

Many people who oppose gun ownership believe the opposite, that individuals do not have the right to own and bear arms only militias and the government do.

Heller did not address licensing or registration.
 
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