Was The Security-Six A Significant Design?

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I was searching books on Amazon last night when I came across Massad Ayoob's The Greatest Handguns of the World. I've come to inspect samples of books these days before I buy the actual books and this was no different. But what floored me was the fact that while Ayoob covered many Colt and Smith & Wesson handguns, he not only failed to cover the Ruger Security-Six, but the GP-100 as well.

It's apparent from the text I did read that Ayoob isn't a huge fan of Ruger and that he missed out on one of the most significant handgun designs of the 20th Century. While he covered the plethora of S&W handguns with side plates (many of which were just different versions of the same handgun), he missed the Ruger, which introduced not only investment casting, but solid frame durability and modular design. This was a gun where, if nothing else, Bill Ruger declared 1) he started with a clean sheet of paper in its design and 2) he never made a dime on its production. Certainly one would think these alone would qualify the Ruger as one of the great handguns of modern history.

In writing about the Colt Python, Ayoob wrote that while some saw it as an outstanding competitive revolver, "others saw it as one thing more than a hunting revolver or target .38: the finest quality self-defense revolver that money could buy." I don't know about you, but if I had a Colt Python in excellent condition, the last thing I'd use it for is for defense. Why? What's the first thing cops do when you're forced to shoot someone in self defense? They take it away from you, throw it into a plastic box and lock it up as evidence. Oftentimes if you get it back, it's all scratched up and shows signs of rust.

They're not going to do that with my prized pistols! That's why I use a stainless Rossi 5-shot .38 or a blued Ruger Standard .22LR pistol! Nope, my good guns are never used for self defense. Yet Ayoob includes the S&W 586/686 in his book while admitting that they're basically copies of the Python. Then he does a shout-out to the Ruger GP-100, which also isn't included in his book and which he also says is a copy of the Python.

At the same time the Smith K-frame .357s were falling apart with steady diets of hot magnum rounds, the Ruger Security-Six was eating them like candy. Ruger was able to do this, as stated, through investment casting and a strong modular design. Yet Ayoob ignores it.

Am I being too critical or does Ayoob have something against the gun? In fact, I don't remember a single article Ayoob has ever written about this fine Ruger revolver.


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IMO the Ruger Six was an excellent design and very simple and very rugged. The modular concept was new to revolvers at the time and resulted in a very simple to produce firearm. I am a bit skeptical on Mr. Ruger's statement that he never made a dime on them. Many shooters feel this great design should be re-introduced.
 
I don't know if Ayoob like's Ruger revolvers or not, but he has often written of how much he likes the .45ACP Ruger Autos, and has owned a few, so I would be hesitant to say "he isn't a huge fan of Ruger".
 
I'd say that if you're a fan of the Security Six you should rejoice in it's lack of admission into Ayoob's circle. Notoriety like that only causes prices to go up and availability to go down.

I'd also like to know his criteria for "significance". It may be that by his standards it is not in fact significant on it's own. Me - I think it is.
 
Well, he did include the Ruger .22 Auto, so it's not that he's not a huge fan of Ruger. I should have said he wasn't a huge fan of the double action revolver design. And even the Security-Six fans who share a distaste of the GP-100 (and I'm one of 'em) have to acknowledge that in every GP-100 there's a Security-Six buried in all that steel. If we could just pull it out and leave the extra weight in a trash can, we'd have the type of gun Bill Jordan envisioned. It's the Model 66 on steroids. Light to carry on the trail and in camp and a gun that your grandkids will enjoy shooting. I would never buy a GP-100 because it's inferior to the S&W 686 in action and accuracy. But given a choice between a Security-Six and a 686, I'd take the SS simply because it's lighter. I'm not a competitor and I'd like to carry a powerful gun that's easy to tout about on my hip or shoulder.

Ruger's not as big as S&W and it doesn't have the capacity to produce the Security-Six with everything else it's got on its plate. The decision makers there know there's no police market and that there are light .357s people can buy from Taurus. I reckon S&W K-frames can be reamed out to take .357 mags, but Ruger doesn't produce medium frame .357s any more. They call their GPs "medium frame," but that's like calling a dog's tail a leg. I call them paperweights.

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Keep in mind that any author's claims made in any book is just one man's opinion. On the other hand literally many, many thousands of other men and women have found the Ruger Single Six offerings to be reliable and worthy.

..... At least that's what I read about them. I've yet to personally hold or shoot one.

I've shot a couple of GP100's and liked them. Not as much as I like my S&W's but they are certainly "close enough and good enough" that I can see them beign well respected.

On the other hand the one .357 Llama revolver I've had to work with left me wanting to gag and retch it was so bad in so many ways.
 
In writing about the Colt Python, Ayoob wrote that while some saw it as an outstanding competitive revolver, "others saw it as one thing more than a hunting revolver or target .38: the finest quality self-defense revolver that money could buy."
I used to carry a tuned 4" Python all the time...it was very comforting

Am I being too critical or does Ayoob have something against the gun? In fact, I don't remember a single article Ayoob has ever written about this fine Ruger revolver.
I seem to recall him writing an article in American Handgunner about carrying a Security-Six that had been worked over by Andy Cannon...sometime in the late 70's
 
OMG here we go again. Ruger vs S&W, 1911 vs Glock, 9mm vs .45, and on and on and on. I own revolvers from both companies and the most accurate is an S&W 14-2, but the GP-141 is very close. My Security Six is a fine gun, but I like the GP just a bit better. I used to carry a 442 as a backup until I shot an LCR in .357, someone else owns that 442 now.
My older N frame Smith has best feeling action of any revolver I have ever tried, but I would never claim it is as rugged as my Super Redhawk. Both companies have made excellent revolvers, often to slightly different design criteria. Why trash either?
 
I believe the Security Six was a manufacturing break through in the 1970s. Smith and Wesson owned the LE market. Most people know that the model 19 suffered wear from high amounts of full power 357 magnums. After all the model 19 was actually a combat masterpiece modified with the help of Bill Jorden to handle limits amounts of 357 magnums.
Bill Ruger saw this and began to take his investment casting and produce a modular medium size 357 magnum that could handle a steady diet of 357 magnums. The Security Six was born. It did well in the LE and civilian market.
I still don't believe Bill Ruger when he said he did not make any money on the Security Six. Ruger sold well over a million of them. I still believe Ruger made a mistake in discontinuing them. Instead, Ruger came out with the GP100 because it was "cheaper to make" but to me its not as good a revolver as the Security Six. I own a Police Service Six and did own a GP100. I could never wrap my arms around the GP100. I have owned my Service Six longer than any revolver. Reason, its the best made, most durable and best handling double action revolver that Ruger evermade. I own several S&W K frame magnums. I love them but I will give the Security Six the edge on what it was design to do. Shoot 357 magnums.
Confederate makes reference to Massad Ayoob's The Greatest Handguns book. But you have to take the book with a grain of salt. Went it comes to revolvers I don't think Massad like Rugers. He preferred either Colt or S&W.
That is one reason I don't put a lot of stock in his book or others.
Too me the Ruger Security was one of the engineering break thoughs in history.
Howard
 
"I still don't believe Bill Ruger when he said he did not make any money on the Security Six. Ruger sold well over a million of them."

In the magazine interview I read, Mr. Ruger said that counting the design and development costs and the actual manufacturing costs, he doubted that they made a penny. You don't draw these things up in an afternoon and figure out how to economically make each part the next morning. It's back and forth from the drawing board to the shop floor over and over again until the process - and the gun - works. Now they have computer simulations.
 
In the magazine interview I read, Mr. Ruger said that counting the design and development costs and the actual manufacturing costs, he doubted that they made a penny. You don't draw these things up in an afternoon and figure out how to economically make each part the next morning. It's back and forth from the drawing board to the shop floor over and over again until the process - and the gun - works. Now they have computer simulations.
I am aware of that interview. Does not change my opinion. I think Bill really wanted to bring out the lower manufacturing cost of the GP100. Also, S&W had started making the L frame revolver and Bill wanted to compete against the L frame. If Ruger had not discontinued the Security Six I believe Bill Ruger would of recovered his development costs as well as manufacturing costs. Ruger discontinued the Security Six in the mid 80s. S&W made the K frame magnum until 1999. I can't imagine Ruger not making any money if they would of continued making the Six series as long as the K frame magnum.
I still believe Ruger made a mistake and loss some of the revolver market. Ruger has tried to correct this with the SP101. But the SP101 is not the Security Six. Its too small to compare it to the Six series, and to big to compare it to the J frame S&W.
Again, this is an opinion. But I think some of what I am saying could be true.
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Howard
 
I would have to say that to me the Security/Service/Speed Six line of revolvers was a significant design event in the history of double action revolvers. That they don't have the same cachet as a Colt Python or a S&W Model 27 is through no fault of their design or construction; they made to be a very robust and hard working gun and I think they excelled in those areas quite nicely.
 
I like my Security Sixes. I had a pair of 6" models but somehow, now my boys each have one. I'm left with the 200yr 4" and a 2 3/4" late model. I'm looking for another 6".
I don't see the GP as anything other than a bigger S6. My little SP101 is a little S6. Actions, takedown, all seem quite the same.
I've got Smiths and a Colt or two but for down on the farm and the rough life, I like my Rugers.
 
Why split hairs ?Use what makes you feel good & don't use what don't . Personally I like them all !
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The most significant part of the Security Six design was the concept of easy takedown without tools. It was expanded on a bit with the GP-100/SP-101 series.

Up to then to do detailed stripping you had to have several tools and a real good idea of the inner workings (basically you handed it over to a gunsmith.)

The Security Six, if dropped in the mud, could be totally and thoroughly cleaned by the user with no need to find a armorer.

And that is why even though I really like S&W and Colt revolvers, for combat I'd pick a Ruger.

Deaf
 
Mas Ayoob has always been a huge fan of Rugers, including revolvers.

I bought a Security Six in 1989 based in large part on his strong recommendation in a magazine article. Don't have the article anymore, but do remember it, and still have the gun which has at least 20k rounds through it and still like new.

Here's an instance where he recommends the Ruger SP-101.
http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob91.html
 
I think they are very good revolvers, but would agree there is nothing so special to include them in a list of "significant" firearms. They were the introduction of high quality castings to double action revolvers, but that's about it. Otherwise pretty much just a good midpriced double action revolver.
 
Con,
Of course the SS was a "significant" design.
But, you keep raising the theme of it being better in some way than the GP, and there I'm not following you.
I have yet to see anybody explain why the SS is superior to the GP. :)
Denis
 
Thanks for the replies, especially Roaddog28's. Also, I have to agree with the poster who said the GP-100 was a boat anchor. The GP-100 is an inferior gun to the S&W 686. The action is better, the inherent accuracy of the 686 is better (it was specifically designed to compete with the Colt Python, and tests by many gun writers confirmed that it handled light weight and heavy bullets as well as the Python). The GP-100 and Security-Six handled heavier bullets better. That was okay with me because heavier bullets were better for long-range shooting like hunting while lighter bullets more likely would be used for self defense and close range shooting.

For those of you who like Colt Pythons, if I were writing a book about the greatest handguns, yes, it would rank high on my list. That said, it had a grip that only an orangutang could love, with the thick part where the shortest fingers would grasp and the skinny part where the fingers are longest. Not exactly ergonomic, and I wonder what Colt was thinking about. The hand, or pawl, also was too small and had a tendency to wear quickly, causing the gun to go out of time. Some shooters had their pawls hard chromed so they wouldn't wear. Fabulous bluing, though.

Ayoob may like Ruger double actions, but he never mentions them favorably unless someone like Andy Cannon gives it a complete workover. He's never, as far as I know, praised Bill Ruger's amazing design.

DPris said:
...you keep raising the theme of it being better in some way than the GP, and there I'm not following you. I have yet to see anybody explain why the SS is superior to the GP.
The Security-Six is better. It's lighter and easier to pick up moving targets with. If you're a competition or IDPA shooter, you'll most likely want a 686 (though some people buy GP-100s). Ruger took some of the steel in the grips and put more steel in the barrel, completely changing the balance. Most people here prefer the Security-Six, too. If someone's a hunter or wants to carry a 6-inch .357 hiking or camping, I don't think they'd pick a GP-100 or a 686. The 6-inch Security-Six was an immensely popular hunting pistol. And if barrel-heavy double-action revolvers were better, why hasn't anyone added large underlugs to single-action revolvers?

I don't know anyone who wants Ruger or S&W to stop making the GP-100s or 686s. But many people would like to see the Security-, Service-, and Speed-Sixes re-introduced. They don't want to haul all that steel in the 686s around, and if they needed to use a powerful gun like the .357 to use against a cougar or bear, they want a gun that could quickly pick up a target. And if camping, who wants all the extra weight?

"Better" is a subjective term but I truly think a 686 is better than a GP-100. I also think the Security-Six is better than a 686 when hiking or camping. If someone is cash strapped, they tend to buy GP-100s; however, they have no choice between them and a lighter version.

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Although the S&W 686 is an excellent pistol, the Security-Six is a much lighter camping and trail gun.


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Ruger no longer makes a 6-shot .357 with all the compactness of the SS.

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