Washington State Gun Control: All Semiautomatic Rifles Are 'Assault Rifles'
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tark
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Glad I don't live in Washington State.
NIGHTLORD40K
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Overrun with Leftists......might as well rename themselves Socialist Republic of Northern California.
Labguy47
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I do believe that was part of got the brady bill killed was a generalization about EBRs all being assault weapons like the militaries 16s. I don't think that law will be on the books long as I'm sure someone will make a bunch of money taking that one to the Supreme Court as unconstitutional.
After that doesn't work, not if it doesn't work, it will be the shotguns. Then the single shots of any caliber or gauge...then the bows & arrows...clubs...sharpened sticks....
rounding the tips of all knives is about the last step of the insanity i.e. London, England
rounding the tips of all knives is about the last step of the insanity i.e. London, England
FROGO207
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Seems the new normal to reach for a big goal and "compromise" back a small amount until your original goal is surpassed. Coming to a state you live in soon. It seems many are too lazy to think for themselves and allow the .gov to think for them/help them survive. Some day our children and grandchildren will ask themselves how it got so bad that they want to leave the mess the USA has become. Hope intelligent people that understand what is at stake prevail to keep us on a good course. Around here many locals are already asking about 2A positive stuff due to political things that have cropped up as of late. In high school we all want to save the world according to what the teachers show us, then all too soon life and reality rears it's ugly head and we realize that what WE want is not what we collectively want/need to get along. I can see a bunch of our offspring erecting a wall with razor wire at the top as big as a state to keep the crazies out so they can be "free of all the outside crap".
This as a whole is a fail on so many levels though.
This as a whole is a fail on so many levels though.
BSA1
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I won't be so sure of that.
In Heller Justice Scalia left open the possibility that banning certain types of firearms may be legal. This is one of the reason Heller is not as big of victory as the NRA and pro-gun folks claim it is.
Chief Justice Roberts is not to be trusted in 2A issues,
Swifty Morgan
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It should come as a relief when liberals are honest about their misguided intentions.
For years, 2A supporters have been saying AR-type rifles are no more dangerous than other semiautos, and leftists have been pretending they're not after other semiautos. It's good to see the gloves come off so we can acknowledge what we're talking about.
For years, 2A supporters have been saying AR-type rifles are no more dangerous than other semiautos, and leftists have been pretending they're not after other semiautos. It's good to see the gloves come off so we can acknowledge what we're talking about.
NIGHTLORD40K
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I think the time for talking is past at this point. There are few if any persons who are sufficiently neutral on 2A issues to be persuaded either way now, and we have seen how compromise and appeasement just embolden the anti-gun Left.
The battle lines have been drawn, and all must fight or perish. The voting booth is our battlefield- the ballot our weapon.
1. Don't trust SCOTUS even if the new golden boy makes it (watch TV today!). The precedents of the lower courts to support EBR bans might just stick with Alito and Roberts. Thanks, Anthony for your rhetoric in Heller.
2. When the AWB was passed it was cosmentic. Research then showed it had NO effects on any of the crime indices. Gun folks said - well, then get of bans. Anti-gun folks who were smart said the bans were not inclusive enough because the research showed:
a. There was enough existing grandfathered guns to supply a lot of the demand.
b. Equally efficacious guns without the the cosmetic features were still being sold.
The smart ones said thus there should be total semi bans and confiscatory polices on existing guns.
Of course, we had idiots who said just re-institute the old AWB, but the smart ones posed stricter laws. A nibble approach on mags and features was adopted and successful across many states (even pro gun) after each massacres moral panic.
Now gun folk chortle that the Supreme Court will - guess what DO NOTHING. They haven't taken a case and they won't. If they do, they might go for Heller like babble and support such bans. Why would they overturn the lower courts?
Folks say bans won't work as there are so many guns out there. History shows they won't be turned in as in some foreign country they still have WWII weapons buried. The regular guns in those countries show many haven't been turned in as happens in the USA in ban states.
However, a ban makes your gun useless for: self-defense (I used a forbidden weapon because I was in fear of my life - go to jail), competition, hunting, plinking, etc. If you have a fire and the gun is found by the firepeople - may go to jail. If you get into a domestic - partner or spouse says you have it - go to jail. Your toddler blabs.
Unless, you can get a SCOTUS decision (not hopeful on that) or Congress to act (FAT CHANCE), expect local bans to expand and expand, even in red states, after a massacre or two.
2. When the AWB was passed it was cosmentic. Research then showed it had NO effects on any of the crime indices. Gun folks said - well, then get of bans. Anti-gun folks who were smart said the bans were not inclusive enough because the research showed:
a. There was enough existing grandfathered guns to supply a lot of the demand.
b. Equally efficacious guns without the the cosmetic features were still being sold.
The smart ones said thus there should be total semi bans and confiscatory polices on existing guns.
Of course, we had idiots who said just re-institute the old AWB, but the smart ones posed stricter laws. A nibble approach on mags and features was adopted and successful across many states (even pro gun) after each massacres moral panic.
Now gun folk chortle that the Supreme Court will - guess what DO NOTHING. They haven't taken a case and they won't. If they do, they might go for Heller like babble and support such bans. Why would they overturn the lower courts?
Folks say bans won't work as there are so many guns out there. History shows they won't be turned in as in some foreign country they still have WWII weapons buried. The regular guns in those countries show many haven't been turned in as happens in the USA in ban states.
However, a ban makes your gun useless for: self-defense (I used a forbidden weapon because I was in fear of my life - go to jail), competition, hunting, plinking, etc. If you have a fire and the gun is found by the firepeople - may go to jail. If you get into a domestic - partner or spouse says you have it - go to jail. Your toddler blabs.
Unless, you can get a SCOTUS decision (not hopeful on that) or Congress to act (FAT CHANCE), expect local bans to expand and expand, even in red states, after a massacre or two.
theotherwaldo
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Yep.
"Let's compromise. You surrender, and I'll quit attacking you on THAT subject."
"Let's compromise. You surrender, and I'll quit attacking you on THAT subject."
AlexanderA
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Maybe "smart" regarding policy (from the antigun point of view), but "dumb" regarding politics. The smart thing politically is incrementalism. They have to grandfather, or face 5th Amendment "taking" issues, for one thing.
Not only are there so many guns out there, but guns are an integral part of the culture in many places. In such places, they won't be driven entirely underground. People in rural parts of the country will more or less openly enjoy their gun activities, and the local authorities will turn a blind eye. The social impacts will be exactly like alcohol Prohibition.
Regarding the Supreme Court, whatever you might say about their ideologies, the Justices are fairly smart people. A majority might rule against a confiscatory gun ban precisely to avoid that kind of social upheaval. (This particularly applies to Chief Justice Roberts, who is very concerned with the Court's institutional standing and the social effects of its rulings.)
While rural folks might go in the woods and shoot at rocks and trees, the IDPA/USPSA matches that take place across TX would be discontinued. 65 people with banned ARs are not going to go to an incorporated range that currently hosts events. Since the events have a significant local, state and federal law enforcement set of participants, those are toast.
Forget a three gun match.
Old Dog
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First actual Washington resident to post in this thread. First, I'd like to say that I'd never, ever thought I'd see an Illinois resident say, "I'm glad I don't live in Washington." Wow. Dude. Really? And here we are, the first "shall issue" state. Not gonna defend our gun laws. One of the first states with state preemption, too. We're good. Yes, I-594 (UBCs) was a blow -- but in our Eastern and rural Western counties, an average of only 13% of the eligible voters turned out. Hubris, to be sure. Let's see what happens with this initiative, which clearly sucks. Some of y'all remind me of Eeyore from Winnie the Pooh. ("The sky is falling! Woe is me!") Let's just see what happens ...
CoalTrain49
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I live in WA.
Just like I-594, there will be millions of dollars from out-of-state AG individuals like Bloomberg and people in this state like Gates, Hanauer and Ballmer who will contribute to its passage. 11 million dollars was spent to pass I-594. About 2 million to defeat it.
You can't effectively stop something like I-1639 when that much money is spent to pass it.
I-1639 will pass without any trouble and many people will become felons overnight.
Soon the entire west coast and SW will be blue. Mostly because people from CA are moving.
Just like I-594, there will be millions of dollars from out-of-state AG individuals like Bloomberg and people in this state like Gates, Hanauer and Ballmer who will contribute to its passage. 11 million dollars was spent to pass I-594. About 2 million to defeat it.
You can't effectively stop something like I-1639 when that much money is spent to pass it.
I-1639 will pass without any trouble and many people will become felons overnight.
Soon the entire west coast and SW will be blue. Mostly because people from CA are moving.
Trey Veston
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I grew up in Idaho just across the border from Washington. I moved back to this area 5 years ago from Arizona.
I bought a fixer upper in a small town 2 miles from the Idaho border in Washington.
Four months later, the liberals in Seattle passed I-594.
It was a wake up call. I had no idea that this part of the country could become anti-gun.
I'm slowly fixing up my house so I can sell it and move a few miles East to Idaho where I can be free for a little while longer.
I bought a fixer upper in a small town 2 miles from the Idaho border in Washington.
Four months later, the liberals in Seattle passed I-594.
It was a wake up call. I had no idea that this part of the country could become anti-gun.
I'm slowly fixing up my house so I can sell it and move a few miles East to Idaho where I can be free for a little while longer.
Old Dog
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First of all, "the liberals in Seattle" did not pass I-594. Voter turnout, particularly in rural, conservative counties, was abysmal, running in the teens as far as the numbers of eligible voters that actually voted. And losing rural counties such as Clallam and Jefferson? Check out the map in this link:
http://projects.seattletimes.com/2014/election/#KeyRaces
This part of the country is actually pretty pro-gun, if you get out of King, Thurston, Spokane counties. Less than two weeks prior to the election, a young man (15 years old!) stole his father's (illegally possessed, it turned out) pistol and killed five fellow students in Marysville Pilchuck High School. Resultant publicity in the (liberal) mainstream media, aided by certain local billionaire's ads, helped turn the tide for I-594 and against competing measure I-591.
I don't have a lot of faith that gun-owners here are actually going to get off their fat butts and vote (by mail, how much easier does it get?) against this new initiative, but it doesn't mean the state is "anti-gun."
Trey Veston
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I didn't say the entire state was anti-gun. I did say this part of the country was turning anti-gun. And the liberals in Seattle are the ones introducing anti-gun legislation and the millions of liberals concentrated in the Seattle area are voting for them.
And those gun laws are impacting conservative gun owners like me who live on this side. I voted. And I will vote again this November, but I acknowledge that it's a losing battle.
I agree that more gun owners need to do more.
And those gun laws are impacting conservative gun owners like me who live on this side. I voted. And I will vote again this November, but I acknowledge that it's a losing battle.
I agree that more gun owners need to do more.
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Sistema1927
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All semi-autos are assault weapons just like, as some would have us believe, all men are rapists.
I am in Washington state (west side) and the one thing I have noticed in all news stories regarding I-1639 is it is rarely mentioned that all semi-automatic rifles will be registered. The same when I-594 was passed. In Washington state we have had a gun registry for a long time (All new handgun purchase records are stored at the Department of Licensing in Olympia indefinitely) but it was open ended meaning a person could sell a handgun to another person without going through the government for a background check so even though the DOL was storing the info they really never knew for sure who had what. Now that we have I-594 all handguns sold since have a paper trail to their current owner. If I-1639 passes then all semi- automatic rifles will also be registered with a yearly inspection.
2bfree
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There are many parts to this initiative such as a a 25.00 fee to own it, a safety class every 5 years. You can see an overview here,
https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_...ship_and_Purchase_Requirements_Measure_(2018)
https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_...ship_and_Purchase_Requirements_Measure_(2018)
theotherwaldo
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Yeah.
And all non-compact cars will be declared SUVs and must pay a special off-road tax and will require a special safety class every five years.
Unless they decide that they are actually aircraft because of all those movies that show cars flying through the air.
Pilot's licenses are next?
And all non-compact cars will be declared SUVs and must pay a special off-road tax and will require a special safety class every five years.
Unless they decide that they are actually aircraft because of all those movies that show cars flying through the air.
Pilot's licenses are next?
Shanghai McCoy
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All semi-automatic rifles Will be Registered with yearly inspections...? 
Yuck.
Yuck.
Trey Veston
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Wow! It's even worse than I thought! No more keeping a pistol in the center console of my SUV. If I leave it in there when I go into a gun-free zone, and some dirt bag steals it and uses it in a crime, I am now also a criminal and can be charged with a felony.
The world has indeed gone mad!
The world has indeed gone mad!
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