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Watching the bullet hit the target.

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Peter M. Eick, Aug 12, 2007.

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  1. Peter M. Eick

    Peter M. Eick Member

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    I know we have discussed this on and off over the years but I had to comment. Today was about perfect to see my 22lr's as they traveled to hit the target at 100 yards. I was shooting a varmint grade 22lr and had a 14 power scope set up. It was about 100 degrees and a good 3 to 7 mph gusty wind. The sun was mostly overhead and the rounds were federal 40 grn lead.

    Basically you could pick up the bullet in the scope at about 25 yrds and watch it travel the whole way into the paper. I was using a 200 yard prone small bore target so the shine on the bottom of the bullet was very obvious against the black target. It was interesting that you could tell by 50 yrds if the round was going to land in the group or off to the side. It was also interesting that shooting without flags you could see the wind swirling the bullet during the trajectory prior to impact and before you could feel the gust back at the bench.

    I was really impressed!
     
  2. CDignition

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    You can see bullet trace when spotting for other shooters... You need to be fairly close to them, and looking thru a scope or Binos. but you can see it(looks like a vapor trail/Mirage disruption). I use it to call shots for guys, shooting 500/1000 yards.
     
  3. byf43

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    Spotting for a fellow shooter with his Winchester 94 in .44 magnum and seeing that big hunk of copper dropping onto the target for the first time will make you go. . . .:what:!

    When you call a shot for a shooter, and the bullet hasn't even hit the target yet, will cause the shooter to doubt you.

    Then, swap places with the shooter and let him see the projectiles from his rifle in flight.:D
     
  4. Peter M. Eick

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    That is what I noticed. I could call the shot before it hit! I was watching them drop in thinking, shoot, there is a little gust between 75 and 100 that will push it 1/2" out. Or when you get a good gust and you could say that will be 2" out and low right. It was need to call them "in the air" so to speak!
     
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    I'm going to have to try this. I used to enjoy watching artillery shells travel down range when I was in the Army. Of course, I couldn't see the target. ;)
     
  6. koja48

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    I can consistently pick-up subsonic .22s in the scope, but haven't seen faster rounds . . . 'course, the old eyes aren't what they used to be, either. that would be awesome to watch, however.
     
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    22s are hard for me to see, but 12ga slugs and 45-70 look like a rock thrown really really fast. They are so easy too see, that if someone back in the heyday of 45-70 shot at you and missed, at long distances over open ground, you could probably sucessfully dodge any other shots the guy tried, as long as you paid close attention.
     
  8. GRIZ22

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    The larger and slower the round is the easier it is to see.
     
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    Only twice have I seen the bullet trail - impressive, a linear mirage. Wouldn't consider it reliable for prediction yet.

    I _have_ seen bullets hit targets. They splatter wonderfully on non-reactive steel, giving no question as to the actual impact point.
     
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    The larger and slower the round is the easier it is to see.

    If I could chamber something to fire a 60's vintage VW Bug, I may have a chance to see this yet . . .
     
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    If you want to see projectiles in flight then visit a BPCR match! Nothing like seeing 20-30 large lead bullets in the air at one time!!:D

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  12. hank327

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    It's pretty easy to see .22 rimfire rounds in flight if the conditions are right and you are shooting at long (for a .22) range. Kinda like watching an arrow in flight. :)

    While in the service, I have watched 8" and 155 mm artillery rounds go down range. It's an impressive sight. As FDC chief for my mortar platoon, I got to see 81 mm mortar rounds in flight all the time. Since the FDC was set up to the rear of the gun line, I was in the perfect position to pick up the rounds in flight about 100 meters out of the gun tubes. I could watch them fly all the way up to what seemed like the apogee of their flight. I would lose sight of them once they tipped over and started back down towards the target.
     
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    A Streak of 22 CB Short lead. Its amazing and You don't really need a scope.
     
  14. Jim Watson

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    Sitting almost straight behind a Long Range Highpower shooter with a spotting scope, you can usually see the "trace" of the bullet. That is a "wake" of distortion from the air shockwave of the supersonic bullet's passage. If the light is right you can sometimes see a glint off the base of the bullet.

    Or if you overdrive a fragile bullet, the fragments are sometimes visible.
     
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    i have always been able to see that in my scope, but most of the experienced coaches can tell which ring the shot went into and obviously which direction. i can't seem to figure that part out. i lose the shot as it's heading in, and they all look like they're hitting the top of the board.
     
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    take the spotting scope slightly out of focus and it helps see the vortex.
     
  17. Peter M. Eick

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    I have to say that I am glad you all have seen these things also.

    I have been trying to figure out how to get a movie of it, and all I could come up with is set the video camera up on a tripod at high magnification over my shoulder and see what I get.

    Any suggestions?
     
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    I bought some CCI Mini-Mags once that were so erratic (from shot to shot), that when shooting at 25 yds, it seemed like I could outrun those bullets.
     
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    Video is problematic because it's not really continuous but is rather composed of several frames in a second. On its way to a 50 yard target, a .22LR bullet would have the chance to be visible in 3 or 4 frames.

    I'd say: "Give it a try!", what have you got to lose?

    Point it at the target & focus it about halfway downrange.
     
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    i've been to lots of ihmsa matches to spot for my friend when he was shooting steel animals. it is fun to watch a big bore bullet fall into a black steel ram at 200 yards. i got so i could see almost every bullet before it hit the target. then watch it fall over an a couple secs later hear the clang. great fun!
     
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    The History channel did a piece on the "Magnum". They filmed at Ft. Benning for a portion of it. A friend of mine was gun plumber for the AMU and was present for most of the filming. They were shown the bullet trace and got it on tape. They said it was the first time trace has ever been filmed.
     
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    In order to get a bullet on video, you'd either need to have 1) lots of luck, or 2) a highspeed camera. By high speed, I mean several hundred frames per second or faster.
     
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    It was called the New Jersey and sported 16 inch guns... :neener:

    (Well, maybe the shell wasn't the same size as a VW, but it weighed about the same...) :D
     
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    GunTech nailed it.

    Take your spotting scope just enough out of focus so things are starting to look blurry.

    The wake of the bullet will be clearly visible. Not as the bullet itself, but as a disturbance in the slightly blurred view through your spotting scope. You will need probably 300 yards to see this on a regular basis when you first start. But a little bit of practice and you will pick it out every time. The best ones are at 500 yards plus where you can watch this little shimmer in the air sail all the way down to the point of impact.

    I have found humid weather really aids in watching the rounds on their way to the target although I am not sure why. No matter though as it is very cool!
     
  25. GRIZ22

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    If I could chamber something to fire a 60's vintage VW Bug, I may have a chance to see this yet . . .

    I had an opportunity to see many artillery rounds fired in Vietnam both at the gun and near the impact. An 8" howitzer round is pretty easy to see. A 16'" round from the New Jersey weighs more than the VW but is easier to see than the 8".
     
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