Water bottle improvised defensive tool perfected

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We've pointed out that a full water bottle has the potential to be an effective stealthy improvised defensive tool. Looks like Nalgene has realized the potential fully for us by producing a sturdy 38 oz capacity stainless steel Nalgene bottle. Full, that's a 2lb. steel clad weight.

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Either that, or some kind of sturdy lanyard for swinging it. You could probably add one with paracord.
 
Nice piece of kit regardless.

I missed that discussion on water bottles as defense tools, though I recall one on a different forum from a very long time ago. I always thought density was an issue. Then again, a near kilogram cylinder made of metal hitting you in the head isn't fun.
Either that, or some kind of sturdy lanyard for swinging it. You could probably add one with paracord.
Ah ha! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottle_sling
 
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If I'm considering the blunt object end of the improvised weapons world.... Water bottles might be nice (I'd rather hang on to that water if possible) but a handy fire extinguisher is a far better close range item in my opinion. On one end you have a tool that can totally disable an opponent by "chalking them" (a full face spray of extinguisher dust will change an attacker's plans very quickly..). If needed as a club it has the weight (in the right size range), the density, and scores really high on the "what's available in the moment" scale without raising your defensive profile (until it's deployed that first time...).

Of course all of this is hypothetical, I was never taught to use one, tactical usage isn't authorized, and I never saw the video that showed you graphically just how effective an extinguisher could be (and I never saw the part where the instructor carefully concealed the extinguisher under a loose rain coat until it needed to be deployed in an offensive or defensive capacity...).
 
lemaymiami,

You're probably missing the basic point that the water bottle is as common in public as cell phones and selecting one that can serve as an improvised self defense tool gives you another option.

Walkong around the mall with a fire extinguisher in your hand all the time will get you talked about. No one raises an eyebrow over a water bottle.

Unistat,

When they put a lid on the thing so you can carry it around with you it might be more practical. Not very "stealthy" either and at that price you can buy quite a few other self defense tools that will easily slip under the radar.
 
Unistat,

When they put a lid on the thing so you can carry it around with you it might be more practical. Not very "stealthy" either and at that price you can buy quite a few other self defense tools that will easily slip under the radar.

True, but then how will everyone know what a hot-$#!* operator I am?
 
Quite a bit more "low key" than a fire extinguisher.


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It is my kit for a hike if I only plan a few hours on marked trails. Would work just as well about town, with the side pouch used for "normal" stuff." Yes the cup is new, broke the handles off my old one.:(

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Would ruin someones day if struck by it,if needed.
 
You're missing the basic point that the water bottle is as common in public as cell phones and selecting one that can serve as an improvised self defense tool gives you another option.

Yep!

The bottom line is, one is supposed to avoid trouble, leave when trouble shows up, and have the mindset and skill sets to use whatever tool sets to deal with trouble when no other options are available.

One CANNOT buy "skill and targets". Meaning one cannot buy a "thing" that will automatically keep trouble away, or deal with trouble all by itself.

Another piece of advice if I may, is to not "telegraph" themselves in anything, especially in having "weapons". SouthNarc shares of "3 + 1" in reading attackers. Well law abiding folks should not telegraph either, as criminals have more time invested in "reading" people, places and things". These criminals have all day to study and learn, especially those that have been in "cell college".

This water bottle is a variation of the metal coffee thermos, a proven "tool set" if needed.

Yes. There was more to the fact parents and grandparents, carry/carried a coffee thermos to and from their vehicles at home, or to work, or had one in vehicles, and "always" seemed to be one near at home/work, or "left in a vehicle, be this the family vehicle, or farm/ranch vehicle/equipment.

I work with a lady in her mid sixties, and everyday she carries a Stanley Coffee Thermos into work. She also keeps another one in her vehicle.
She shared her husband once used the coffee thermos to keep a drunk, irate, panhandler from getting into their vehicle, while out of town, when stopped at a stop light.

"He bopped 'em good in the nose, through the lowered window, and he quit messing with us... then the light changed and I took off...".
 
Forget the construction, it could just be a plain old Thermos. Fill it with boiling hot vegetable oil and you have a weapon.
 
Fill it with boiling hot vegetable oil and you have a weapon.

Not me.

Having been a witness, (even a "expert witness"), on juries, foreman of juries, assisted in "investigations" and so on...

Twelve "peers" that make up a jury are NOT twelve folks that think or have the same convictions of the one being on trial. Oh no!

Anything used to defend, will be referred to as a "weapon" including a water bottle such as we are discussing, or coffee thermos.

Meaning one might have been "doing good" with said water bottle, or coffee thermos, UNTIL it is shared some hot vegetable oil was in the thermos, or some other "things" done to a water bottle".

A jury will have instructions from the Judge, and the Law as applicable shared, and defined for said jurisdiction and one will be "eaten alive" pulling stunts such as this.
Trust me.
 
This is a little pricey ($280.00), but no finer tactical drinking implement exists!

Where can I get that?
 
Not me.

Having been a witness, (even a "expert witness"), on juries, foreman of juries, assisted in "investigations" and so on...

Twelve "peers" that make up a jury are NOT twelve folks that think or have the same convictions of the one being on trial. Oh no!

Anything used to defend, will be referred to as a "weapon" including a water bottle such as we are discussing, or coffee thermos.

Meaning one might have been "doing good" with said water bottle, or coffee thermos, UNTIL it is shared some hot vegetable oil was in the thermos, or some other "things" done to a water bottle".

A jury will have instructions from the Judge, and the Law as applicable shared, and defined for said jurisdiction and one will be "eaten alive" pulling stunts such as this.
Trust me.
If someone has a gun aimed at you and you have no weapon on you, only a thermos bottle, are you saying it cannot be used as a weapon? What's the difference if you stop the person by breaking their head with it or doing anything else with it?
 
I can't speak for sm, however many states have laws regarding improvised weapons. Mine included.

Such laws base the use vs the intent of the user. As such using an everyday item as a weapon in self defense is ok. Whereas carrying/using an everyday item modified to cause "extra" damage is creating a dangerous instrument , which is illegal.

Explaining to the jury/judge the need to carry hot vegetable oil in a drinking container is most likley going to fall in the latter situation.

While "breaking their head with it" would be legal.
 
Forget the oil.

Just have boiling-hot coffee or tea in the bottle.
With plenty of heavy cream. Some might like their coffee "extra-rich."
 
Unbelievable.

The law really does watch out for the person (those persons) intent on burglarizing and causing harm to helpless individuals!

Unbelievable.
 
Sort of. In my humble opinion using an "improvised" weapon is more of a legal minefield than using a lawfully carried firearm.

For one, the self defense use must be justified. Second the item must be easily explainable for another use to a jury. Lest the prosecutor claim you to be a mad scientist concocting deadly instruments in your basement for the sole purpose of injuring,maiming,or killing the poor misunderstood individual who attempted to rob you, only to feed his widow and starving children of course.
 
So, to be safest, one must resort to pepper sprays and hope that stops the shooter from "poking you full of holes."

I suppose the only good thing would be when they stop, it would feel good as opposed to them keep firing away so as to not leave any witnesses!
 
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