Way of the Gun

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You are not supposed to hope that Longbaugh and Parker made it. They're filthy, murderous hoods and kidnappers. They'd have killed Robin without much more discussion beyond the hotel scene, and they did kill at least three innocent bystanders (watch carefully when they drive away from the hospital at the beginning.) The whole point of telling the story from their point of view was to make sure there would be no heros. To the extent that anyone in the movie could be considered the hero, it would have to be Painter, who redeems himself for "what happened in Atlanta" by saving Robin. Even he's no angel.

Actually, the two dead people lying outside of the hospital are the rest of Robin's bodyguard team; the two who pursued Parker and Longbaugh throughout the remainder of the movie were the last ones left alive (there were only 4: Joe says himself that "half of your team get wiped out by a pair of yahoos" to the remaining two bodyguards when they're in the police questioning room).

And it was "what happened in Baltimore" :p
 
Actually, the two dead people lying outside of the hospital are the rest of Robin's bodyguard team
Right, but there was also a lady lying on the ground and someone dead or injured in a distant car (can barely see them). Plus maybe a couple more.
 
IIRC, there are at least 2, maybe 3 dead civilians in addition to the two bodyguards outside the hospital. The commentary talks about a dead woman in a car that I didn't notcie in that scene as well.

- Gabe
 
You are not supposed to hope that Longbaugh and Parker made it. They're filthy, murderous hoods and kidnappers. They'd have killed Robin without much more discussion beyond the hotel scene, and they did kill at least three innocent bystanders (watch carefully when they drive away from the hospital at the beginning.) The whole point of telling the story from their point of view was to make sure there would be no heros. To the extent that anyone in the movie could be considered the hero, it would have to be Painter, who redeems himself for "what happened in Atlanta" by saving Robin. Even he's no angel.

I do feel that Longbaugh and Parker redeemed themselves somewhat at the end by deciding to shoot it out for the money instead of subjecting Robin to more suffering. They could have held her and the bady hostage for the money, but Longbaugh says, "She's had enough" and Parker touches her forehead, and then they leave to take on the bagmen.
 
theres another aspect that noone has commented on, and i only discovered it when reading an interview with the director. parker was having conflicts with letting the baby be seperated from his mother all along. thats because he was taken from his mother and put through foster homes. remember when longbaugh asked him "after all we've done, people we've killed, what does taking one baby away matter?" parker replies "it matters."
iirc, this was also right after parker recalls when he killed the pedophile and divulged how that affected his psyche, having to recite that prayer before being able to fall asleep.

it seems obvious that both longbaugh and parker realize they have led a life of despicableness and both feel some pangs of conscience over what they have done to make a living.

and as far as whether or not they die right at the end, i think they survived. sarno left them and said "until that day...", meaning there would be a day when he comes to settle the score. it was a distorted sense of respect and honor he felt for longbaugh that prevented him from killing him right then and there. longbaugh and sarno were very much alike. they were both survivors.
 
Pangs of conscience, yes. But they do not become good people. They go out to take on the bagmen because they have to leave one way or the other. No, they could not hold Robin hostage. The bagmen would have killed them anyway. Remember that the bagmen do not have the option of allowing them to have the money, because it comes from "the worst" and the whole point is that Chiddick is dead if he gives them the money.

So they go out to the bar. From there, they must decide whether to go after the money or try to slip away in another direction. In the end, they decide to try to take the cheese out of the trap. But staying with Robin and using her as a hostage is not an option. Sarno is the only one of those bagmen who knows who Robin is or, likely, would care enough to put her ahead of his job. In fact, it's hard to prove from the film that even Sarno wouldn't let Robin die if he had to.

But you're right, Painter was in Baltimore, not Atlanta.

Everyone is going to see these things differently, but I don't think you can say that they left Robin at the end out of kindness. They did ask Sarno to let Robin and Painter stay together, but that didn't cost them anything.

"Until that day," in my mind, had nothing to do with revenge. Joe Sarno does not do threats of revenge unless business requires it. He made threats at the motel because his position allowed only that much, but he's a stoic survivor/killer. "Until that day" means that if there ever comes another day when they meet, maybe they can be friends. Those two spend all their scenes together wishing they didn't have to shoot each other.
 
i cant believe that no one on my P2P connections has this movie ripped and shared....

*kicking myself for deleting this movie from my harddrive a couple months ago....*
 
If you look closely after the remaining two bodygaurds leave the parking lot there is a woman face down in a pool of blood, a man trying to get up after he's been shot in the spine, a man trying to help his shot wife in a car and the two dead bodygaurds. I didn't catch half of this till I watched it with the commentary.
 
ok, so I was wrong about the bodies in front of the hospital (though at least two were definately bodyguards...)

anyway,

The part where Longbaugh says to Parker "she's had enough" when referring to Robin is his concious telling him to leave to poor girl alone: I don't think that they left her just because it would have been impossible to keep her hostage; doing so would have resulted in a shootout with the bagmen, which is what Parker and Longbaugh rushed headfirst into anyway when going for the money. Except the only difference is that they did it without Robin being in harm's way.

And "till that day" does refer to the day of reckoning that the bagman brings.

Remember how Joe was talking about "waking up one night and all you'll see is a pillow over your face and you'll hear a pop" outside the motel?

The reason Joe said "till that day" at the end of the film was because it simply wasn't Longbaugh's day to die.

"till the day I either have to kill you, you kill me or we make peace in better circumstances."
 
- one-handed reloads
- tactical reloads
- one-handed chamber checks (very cool)
- IWB holsters
- longgun to pistol transitions
- room clearing
- team movement
- sniping with a spotter
- revolvers vs. autoloaders is a major plot device
- all the guns are cool


… but the story, script and acting were pathetic. If they could only work technical proficiency into a first rate film … that would be cool.
 
I do wonder why Sarno (James Caan) tried to shoot them in the legs when he could have killed them
Didn't torso-shoot 'em because he could see that they were wearing body armor. Might have tried a head shot but he would have had a greater chance of missing.
… but the story, script and acting were pathetic.
Story was a bit corny, but originally executed. I enjoyed much of the wordplay.
Acting varied character to character. Caan and Del Toro did an excellent job, I think.
 
Well, I stopped by the video store, and found
a previewed copy of TWOTG for 10 buks.

Now it's on the shelf.

Went back and watched with a more critical
eye, and I retract all my critcism. I was way off
with the "zooming scope picture" criticism. In fact, it was better than any other representation
I have ever seen in a film.

Interesting, in the commentary, the technical
advisor for the weapons handling was one
of the principles brothers, who is Delta, (I think).
 
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