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It just happend fourth of july north korea launches missiles

North Korea draws world's scorn for tests By JOSEPH COLEMAN, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 23 minutes ago



North Korea test-fired a seventh missile Wednesday, intensifying the furor that began when the reclusive regime defied international protests by launching a long-range missile and at least five shorter-range rockets earlier in the day.

The missiles, all of which apparently fell harmlessly into the Sea of Japan, provoked international condemnation, the convening of an emergency meeting of the U.N. Security Council and calls in Tokyo for economic sanctions against the impoverished communist regime.

U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton said heading into the Security Council meeting that it must send a "strong and unanimous signal" that North Korea's missile test was unacceptable. Diplomats were to discuss a draft Japanese resolution that would likely condemn the launches.

North Korea has remained defiant, with one official arguing it had the right to such launches. The tests and the impenitent North Korean attitude raised fears that further firings could follow.

North Korea's state-run media did not mention the missile tests but a commentator on its Korean Central Broadcasting Station said the country's "military and people are fully prepared to cope with any provocation and challenge by U.S. imperialists."

"Maintenance of peace in our country is entirely made possible by our strong war deterrent," the announcer said, adding that without it, the North would have suffered a "cruel nuclear disaster."

An official at the South Korea Joint Chiefs of Staff confirmed that North Korea had tested a seventh missile that was either short- or medium-range. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of agency rules.

Japan's Kyodo News agency reported that the missile landed six minutes after launch, but did not say where. The chief of Russia's general staff said that Russian tracking systems showed that Pyongyang may have launched up to 10 missiles during the day, the Interfax news agency reported.

U.S. officials said North Korea fired a long-range Taepodong-2 early in the day, but that it failed shortly after takeoff, calling into question the technological capability of North Korea's feared ballistic missile program. Pyongyang last fired a long-range missile in 1998.

The bold firings came under close international scrutiny of the North's missile launch facilities. The North American Aerospace Defense Command monitored the launches as they progressed but soon determined they were not a threat to the United States, a spokesman said.

Some feared more firings. Pyongyang could test more missiles soon despite the international outcry, Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said after making a protest via telephone to North Korea's ambassador.

"We think they probably do intend to launch more missiles in the next day or two," Downer told reporters, without explaining if the possibility of more tests came up in his talk with ambassador Chon Jae Hong.

South Korea, separated from the North by the world's most heavily armed border, said the test-launches would further deepen its neighbor's international isolation, sour public opinion in the South toward Pyongyang, and hurt efforts to control weapons of mass destruction.

The tests, which came as the United States celebrated the Fourth of July and launched the space shuttle Discovery, appeared timed to draw the most attention from Washington. Some speculated that Pyongyang wanted some of the spotlight that was focused on Iran's nuclear program.

"North Korea wants to get the U.S. to direct bilateral negotiations by using the missile card," said Paik Hak-soon, a North Korea expert at the Seoul-based Sejong Institute. "Timing the launch date on July 4 is an attempt to apply maximum pressure on the U.S. government."

A North Korea Foreign Ministry official told Japanese journalists in Pyongyang that the regime there has an undeniable right to test missiles.

"The missile launch is an issue that is entirely within our sovereignty. No one has the right to dispute it," Ri Pyong Dok, a researcher on Japanese affairs at the North's Foreign Ministry, said on footage aired by Japanese television network TBS. "On the missile launch, we are not bound by any agreement."

Japanese broadcaster NHK reported that an unidentified Foreign Ministry official in Pyongyang acknowledged the tests, but Ri told reporters that diplomats such as himself are unaware of what the military is doing.

In Russia, Interfax quoted the army chief of staff, Gen. Yuri Baluyevsky as saying the number of missiles fired by North Korea could be higher than the six cited by the U.S., Japan and South Korea.

"According to various data, 10 missiles were launched. Some say that these were missiles of various classes; however, some claim that all missiles were intercontinental," Baluyevsky was quoted as saying in the Russian Far East city of Chita.

Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Aso warned of a "very high possibility" the U.N. would level economic sanctions against North Korea. Japan also protested the launches officially through the Chinese capital, and banned a North Korean ferry from Japanese ports for six months.

He also said North Korea may face harsher sanctions from Tokyo depending on Pyongyang's actions. Japan has already prohibited North Korean officials from traveling to the country and has barred a trade boat from entering Japanese waters.

The tests followed weeks of mounting speculation that North Korea would launch a Taepodong-2. U.S. intelligence reports indicated Pyongyang was taking steps to prepare for a launch, but the timing was unknown. North Korea refused to confirm the preparations, but insisted it had the right to such a test.

The test was likely to cast a pall over efforts to lure North Korea back to stalled six-party talks on its nuclear weapons program. Pyongyang has boycotted the negotiations to protest a U.S. crackdown on alleged North Korean counterfeiting and other financial crimes. A North Korean official said Wednesday his country would stand by that stance.

Diplomatic moves over North Korea gathered pace. U.S. nuclear envoy Christopher Hill was to leave Washington for the region later Wednesday, and the launches coincided with a trip by South Korea's security chief to Washington for consultations. China's vice-premier was also scheduled to go to Pyongyang next week.

China, North Korea's neighbor and most important ally, urged all parties to stay calm.

"We are seriously concerned with the situation which has already happened," Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao said in a statement on the ministry's Web site.

"We hope that all the relevant sides ... do more things which are conducive to peace and stability ... and not take any actions to escalate and complicate the situation," the statement said.

Two State Department officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the long-range missile was the Taepodong-2, North Korea's most advanced missile with a range of up to 9,320 miles. Some experts believe it could reach the United States with a light payload.

North Korea's missile program is based on Scud technology provided by the former Soviet Union or Egypt, according to American and South Korean officials. North Korea started its Rodong-1 missile project in the late 1980s and test-fired the missile for the first time in 1993.

North Korea had observed a moratorium on long-range missile launches since 1999.

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AP reporters Larry Margasak in Washington, Edith M. Lederer at the United Nations, Eric Talmadge in Tokyo, Judith Ingram in Moscow and Kwang-tae Kim and Jae-soon Chang in Seoul contributed to this report.



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and John Bolton Urges A Strong Response
 
Lol. The missile might just possibly be able ot reach....Alaska. That's if they can make it stay in the air for more than 30 seconds :rolleyes:
 
I say we lauch a few missles fitted with little flags to pop out after they land in the ground, yanno, kinda like cartoon guns where the flag pops out when they pull the tirgger :neener:

Should get the message across when one lands in kimmy boys front yard :evil:

On a serious note though this is a problem. Failed tests show you wrong ways to do it. When you try to build a house fifty times and get it wrong you haven't wasted your time, you learned fifty ways not to build a house, on try 51 you just might get it right and finally have it figured out how to build a house. After they fail enough times they will get it, and even if they don't strap a nuke onto it with the payload that thing could carry conventional explosives would do enough damage to hurt us and take out enough of a city to make 9/11 look like a scratch. Load it with chemical or biological weapons which just about any idiot can produce, hell even if it is just chlorine gas that you can make from bleech, and it will hurt a lot more then 9/11.
 
Would North Korea gain anything by hitting us with a nuke? The inevitable retaliatory strikes from our subs would put a severe hurting on them. I must admit I'm interested in how this is going to play out. Hope a sane and peaceful resolution can be reached.
 
Would North Korea gain anything by hitting us with a nuke?
No but that isn't the point. What was to be gained by taking down the twin towers? Not much. Just like the terrorists Kimmy boy is screwed in the head and wants to see America in pain. He is not only crazy but he is stupid and likes to play penial waving games
 
So far the replies to this have been a bit on the flippant side.

But maybe it's time to get serious with the North Korean people. Not the little guy in high heels, but the people themselves.

Perhaps a demonstration is in order. Announce the launch of one of our ICBM's with a target (island, bunch of ships, whatever) not far from the NK coast.

The blast alone would probably cause something like a tsunami. Maybe even do a bit more damage.

Then have GW get on international TV and speak directly to Kim Jong Il and the North Korean people. Remind them that we have tens of thousands of warheads like these.

For the moment, the Little Guy and the Iranians are just pretty much tweaking our noses. But we won't know until it happens when the nose-tweaking has ended.
 
This is serious. If they really wanted to they could role right over the border. They have the army to do it with. The only thing that's stopping this maniac is the inability to stop our missiles. Unfortunately we can't stop his either (short of blasting them off the ground).
 
Acording to a report in yesterdays Wisconsin State Journal even China is seeing the missile tests as a Bad Thing. Assuming things go south (sorry about the pun) there might even be a unified non comunist Korea if the North manages to sufficiently annoy thier Peaceloving Fraternal Socialist Allies to the north. Seriously What are North Koreas chances if they can't hide behind the skirts of China. Or maybe the Chinese will take maters into thier own hands.

And lets not forget Japan. Depending on how things go on the nuke front there might be a legitimate reason to use the JSDF on foriegn soil, instead of letting Godzilla beat it up over and over again:evil:.
 
Unfortunately we can't stop his either (short of blasting them off the ground).

Fortunately, we don't have to...they're self-destroying.

The N. Koreans can't even run trains, grow food or generate electricity...not exactly an impressive opposing force. There's a lot of them...but they're all hungry and their equipment doesn't work and is half out of gas.

The most effective weapon to employ against this guy would be to ignore him and stop feeding his ego with all this news coverage.
 
The most effective weapon to employ against this guy would be to ignore him and stop feeding his ego with all this news coverage.
I agree: PUBLICLY ignore him, but keep a close watch on him on the QT. Over time, both NK and Iran capabilities to harm us directly will increase. I fear the unforeseen consequences of an attack more than the predictable direct effects. Hell, look what happened to crude oil prices yesterday just on the news that NK had test-fired those missiles.

And really, arranging an effective attack with either bugs or gas via ballistic missile is a tremendous challenge.

TC
 
Lol. The missile might just possibly be able ot reach....Alaska. That's if they can make it stay in the air for more than 30 seconds.

Actually, if the missile functioned and the range estimates are correct, it brings large portions of the West Coast under threat.

More specifically, using the standard throwweight estimates, it could reach Alaska or Hawaii. Using lighter loads (i.e. smaller or more efficient warheads, or "dirty" warheads), it is estimated to be able to reach Wisconsin or Phoenix.
 
Unfortunately we can't stop his either (short of blasting them off the ground).

Oh, we can stop 'em. Remember the Cold War and MAD...We could stop most of the rockets the Russians could launch (and they had THOUSANDS), before they hit US soil. And, if they're lucky, NK MIGHT have a handful of such rockets. And as soon as it's determined they are targeting US soil, the Tomahawks (and B-2s) will fly, and any military capability they have will vanish--quickly. We have technology the NKs (and China) can only dream about.)

China wouldn't back them in a "shooting war", they have too much to lose economically, if they anger the West.
 
I predict that Iran launches something at Europe first. Maybe not a nuke, just conventional or no warhead at all. Then they will claim that the next one will carry a nuke and they can blackmail the EU for whatever they want. Unfortunately for the EU, Iran wants Europe returned to the dark ages.
 
Unfortunately we can't stop his either (short of blasting them off the ground).

Actually, we have the technology to do so. We've had it since the 60s, when nuclear Nikes were installed in some areas. RVs and MIRVs are easier to track than manned bombers, which have the ability to manuever and take unpredictable paths. The reason that we don't have the technology in place now is three fold: individuals who should/do know better lie about our capabilities quite a bit, the ABM treaty, and the fact that to insure a kill, you need to equip your interceptor with a nuke. Remember the problems with the Patriot missiles in terms of lengthy development time and failure to kill SCUDs in the Gulf War? Those were due to the need to dumb down its capabilities to conform to a very sensitive interpretation of the ABM treaty, and to take it from a nuclear to a conventional warhead. The problems we're currently having with interceptors is due to having to go for a physical kill on the incoming warhead.

By the way, the nukes intended to be installed were too small and would detonate too high to be of any real danger to the defended territory. The long term effects of said detonation were far less of a concern than the long term effects of the alternative, namely a much larger warhead detonating on the ground.
 
Look at a map. Who borders NK on it's North? China and Russia. This
should be THEIR problem in our happy-happy joy-joy so-called globalist
economic/political world. Our original involvement was supposedly at the
UN's "request." Let them and the super-powers closest to this take care
of it. This should be a non-issue for the US. It is not in our interest to
deal with yet another far-flung petty tyrant while our own house goes
bankrupt.

Kim doesn't go to the toilet without getting paper from the Chinese first.
This is all part of a great big stage play and if you guys think this whole
thing hasn't been orchestrated behind closed doors from outside of the
Korean peninsula, then you need to "start following the money":

The Bush administration has tried to ignore North Korea, then, reluctantly, to engage it, and then to squeeze its bankers in a manner intended to make the country's leader, Kim Jong Il, personally feel the pinch.

Hmmm....WHICH bankers would those be? Would THEY be in countries that
WE do business with? Do they have MFN status?

"Squeeze" the bankers? Really? Are we going to stop importing their
country's stuff? Are we going to tell that country's gov't "Look, either pinch
the head off that little zit in NK, or you and I are done doing business."

Get a grip, guys, don't buy into "the missiles (again) are going to kill us
(again) if we don't go it alone (again) and take care of the problem (again)" hype.
 
Seriously What are North Koreas chances if they can't hide behind the skirts of China.

Seriously, they have a million man army (>50,000 special ops). They have a small but capable airforce. They have more subs in the area than we do. Oh and btw, thanks to our GWOT we've got about half as many troops in ROK than we did a few years ago. They could take the south.

Actually, we have the technology to do so.
Do we have a current capability, or funding to do so? The last Nike I saw is in front of the museum on Ft Bliss. The patriot did poorly in Iraq (BTW guess who's going to the ROK. If you guessed 5-52 ADA along with E Co {formerly 507th} you guessed right).

Remember the Cold War and MAD...We could stop most of the rockets the Russians could launch

Remember the GWOT, we (the DOD) are broke. [edit] They spend a quarter of their GNP on their military

China wouldn't back them in a "shooting war", they have too much to lose economically
NK has NOTHING to lose. And everything to gain. If we don't give in to his threats he will act out.
 
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