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When charging your cases with powder, it would be a good idea to measure the powder, drop it into the case and in the same step, seat the bullet. That way you won't miss a charge and more importantly, you won't double charge. Bullseye is a dense powder and 38 special cases can hold close to 14 grains of Bullseye (that's about 4 charges)

That sounds like the kind of practical safety advice my uncle would give me. Thank you sir!

RC, you don't understand the dynamic here. My brother is going to be 45 soon and has been reloading for years, I'm not yet 30. The moment he hears I have started he's going to be here looking over my process. No girl wants to have her big brother make her feel foolish but somehow they always do.

Early this morning I popped out the primers from 20 cases and put new ones in. Then used a beam balance to work down to 3 grains of powder and seated the bullet.

The round fed in the magazine but when I worked the action the ball had pushed down more into the case. I was kind of afraid to shoot it. :( *sigh* back to the book.
 
It would help if you could list all the steps you took from case prep to bullet seating/crimping. Also, please tell us which dies are you using.
 
OK, for an update, my brother visited last night and pretty well read me the riot act for not asking him for help. It appears that when I seated the ball I didn't put enough "crimp" for the tube magazine.

He "lent" me a scale and something he calls a "trickler", threw my loading manual in the wastebasket and gave me one of his. "Advised" that I change the die in the swager for round nose rather than SWC and just in general told me I didn't know what I was doing... (Kind of like the old joke when a boy teaches his girlfriend to swim he holds her up in the water while she learns the skill, his sister he throws in the deep water and tells her what she's doing wrong.)

Out of 8 rounds they have a tendency to shoot low and to the right @ 75 yards but the grouping is well within my level of tolerance. A certain unnamed idiot that shall remain my brother tells me it's because I'm using too light a load and need to "work up" a 10th of a grain until I find the "sweet" loading.

There is a certain satisfaction to using ammunition you have obtained through your own efforts. While I won't have the time to spare to work up to perfection I think I may budget an hour or two to keep a couple of my rifles fed.
 
When my 40 something sister wanted a pistol, her husband thought a "small" gun would be better and got her a 380 Auto (she is 5'4" with small hands). Well, she really did not like it and did not shoot it well (BIL shoots a SA 1911). When we went shooting, she tried different 9/40/45 pistols and she shot well with fullsize M&P40 and M&P45 with small grip inserts.

When she started match shooting with her M&P40, her husband who shot all of his life, shared with her some shooting techniques and many male shooters expressed doubt a small woman shooting 40S&W caliber well. Well, what he shared with her was all wrong and after correcting the misinformation, she is now shooting better than him and outshooting most other male shooters. :eek::neener:

I did supply her match loads (Montana Gold 165 gr JHP with 5.0 gr W231/HP-38 and Berry's 180 gr with 4.0 gr Red Dot/Promo for practice) and did the trigger job on her M&P40 down to 4.5 lbs but other than my initial basic shooting instructions, she did all the work for match practice (RSO is one of her female friends and encourage their friends to shoot and do matches).

There is a certain satisfaction to using ammunition you have obtained through your own efforts.
I told my sister the same and she may end up reloading her own rounds in the future but anticipate following THR instead of listening to her husband. :)
 
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Out of 8 rounds they have a tendency to shoot low and to the right @ 75 yards but the grouping is well within my level of tolerance. A certain unnamed idiot that shall remain my brother tells me it's because I'm using too light a load and need to "work up" a 10th of a grain until I find the "sweet" loading.
When many of us conduct load development, a full range powder work up is used from start to max charge to identify the loads that will reliably cycle the slide/extract/eject spent cases (if loading for semi auto) then look for accuracy trends to determine the most accurate load.

I would not worry about where the shots are hitting during load development (As long as they are consistently hitting the same spot) as once you determined the most accurate load, you can adjust the sights to hit point of aim (POA).
 
When my 40 something sister wanted a pistol, her husband thought a "small" gun would be better and got her a 380 Auto (she is 5'4" with small hands). Well, she really did not like it and did not shoot it well (BIL shoots a SA 1911). When we went shooting, she tried different 9/40/45 pistols and she shot well with fullsize M&P40 and M&P45 with small grip inserts.

When she started match shooting with her M&P40, her husband who shot all of his life, shared with her some shooting techniques and many male shooters expressed doubt a small woman shooting 40S&W caliber well. Well, what he shared with her was all wrong and after correcting the misinformation, she is now shooting better than him and outshooting most other male shooters. :eek::neener:

I did supply her match loads (Montana Gold 165 gr JHP with 5.0 gr W231/HP-38 and Berry's 180 gr with 4.0 gr Red Dot/Promo for practice) and did the trigger job on her M&P40 down to 4.5 lbs but other than my initial basic shooting instructions, she did all the work for match practice (RSO is one of her female friends and encourage their friends to shoot and do matches).


I told my sister the same and she may end up reloading her own rounds in the future but anticipate following THR instead of listening to her husband. :)

In a way I was lucky, while Dad insisted I know how to operate every machine on the farm (including firearms) I had the luxury of choice. While he told me his .45 revolver was to big and heavy for me I was still allowed to train with it enough to realize he was right. As well, both my uncle and grandfather were willing to "lend" any arm in their inventory as well. Dad was a wannabe training Sgt that taught me stance and safety, my uncle who was something of a showman taught me improvisation and my Grandfather who was an infantry rifleman taught me "elevation and windage." Then I had a certain unnamed idiot that was forever telling me what I was doing wrong. I was consistently outshooting 75% of my male competitors by the time I was 15. Including one guy that took me on a "date" to a shooting range. On the way there he was talking and joking telling me not to worry about score just to have fun. On the way back he never said a word and never called me again. :(

But again, with reloading... I'm breaking into my brother's domain. While he would be more than happy to share his hobby with me in a teaching role I feel it would be better for me to make my own mistakes and get my own take on the craft. Like as not I'll be bugging the daylights out of you guys and taking a lot of pastries to the gunshop as an exchange of favors for advice.

On another note, the new manual claims that Unique is the better choice for pistol cartridges used in rifles. Any comments or advice?
 
You should have a notebook to write down what has worked and what hasn't worked. This way you don't make the same error twice.
 
Officers'Wife said:
I'll be bugging the daylights out of you guys and taking a lot of pastries to the gunshop as an exchange of favors for advice.
Huh?

You'll be bugging the daylights out of us but the gunshop gets the pastries? :scrutiny:

And many found THR gives better advice than gunshops .... :rolleyes:

And rcmodel has uncanny ability to access his super duper neural network reloading computer of his to give you a "correct" answer pronto. :eek:

I am sure some of us THR members like pastries ... :D
 
Huh?

You'll be bugging the daylights out of us but the gunshop gets the pastries? :scrutiny:

And many found THR gives better advice than gunshops .... :rolleyes:

And rcmodel has uncanny ability to access his super duper neural network reloading computer of his to give you a "correct" answer pronto. :eek:

I am sure some of us THR members like pastries ... :D
When you can get me a deal on .303 ammunition in case lots we'll talk. :)
 
Welcome to reloading and thanks for asking our advice.

In a way I was lucky, while Dad insisted I know how to operate every machine on the farm (including firearms) I had the luxury of choice. While he told me his .45 revolver was to big and heavy for me I was still allowed to train with it enough to realize he was right. As well, both my uncle and grandfather were willing to "lend" any arm in their inventory as well. Dad was a wannabe training Sgt that taught me stance and safety, my uncle who was something of a showman taught me improvisation and my Grandfather who was an infantry rifleman taught me "elevation and windage." Then I had a certain unnamed idiot that was forever telling me what I was doing wrong. I was consistently outshooting 75% of my male competitors by the time I was 15. Including one guy that took me on a "date" to a shooting range. On the way there he was talking and joking telling me not to worry about score just to have fun. On the way back he never said a word and never called me again. :(

But again, with reloading... I'm breaking into my brother's domain. While he would be more than happy to share his hobby with me in a teaching role I feel it would be better for me to make my own mistakes and get my own take on the craft. Like as not I'll be bugging the daylights out of you guys and taking a lot of pastries to the gunshop as an exchange of favors for advice.

On another note, the new manual claims that Unique is the better choice for pistol cartridges used in rifles. Any comments or advice?
I wonder why your Brother threw out your old manual. Even if the load recipes are out of date (a contentious conclusion), the early chapters contain descriptions of the loading process that will never lose relevance. I certainly would have retrieved it.

Bullseye is a very quick powder. (Note that "quickness" is a term of the ballistics art and has specific meaning there). If shooting in longer barrels, a slower powder is often more desirable (achieving velocity with a longer burn time). Unique is a rather quick powder, too, but not as quick as Bullseye.

I take an opposite view from rsrocket1 on the charging of cases and immediately putting the slug on the case mouth (or seating the bullet). When loading a batch, I start with 50 primed and ready cases in a loading block, case mouth down and all primers visible. I look (or feel with my finger) all the primers to ensure they are all seated just a little below flush (as they should be). Then I charge the 50 cases, placing them in a second loading block (you could use the same block, but I like to use two). When all cases are charged, I use a flashlight to see into each case that there is powder, and that the powder in all cases are to the same depth. One designs one's loading area and methods with as much care and forethought (and hindsight) as any production team designs a factory floor. For that is what it is, a factory for highly critically quality controlled product. Whichever method (rsrocket1's or mine or some other QC method) works best for your loading style will be best for you.

Tubular magazines to require extra care to avoid bullet setback. Those rounds of yours that came up short could have produced overperssures. This is what a bullet puller is for. You can take the cartridge apart and re-size, re-seat and re-crimp. (Or, you could just gently tap the bullet out to the proper length and hand-feed it into the chamber and take the cartridge apart the fun way.)

Bullets are retained in the case by two factors. The crimp that rolls the case mouth into each bullet's crimping groove and the friction between the walls of the case mouth and the side(s) of the bullet. If the case-mouth belling mandrel is too great (or your belling technique is too aggressive) the friction grip will be lessened. Your Brother is in a position to observe and advise, even if he is a bit arrogant. If you don't mind me saying, he should emulate your Dad's, Uncle's and Grandfather's attitudes and take pride in you. (Sigh) We men have such fragile egos.

What brand of dies are you using? (I ask because some people have had Lee's Factory Crimp Die (FCD), when used with cast (or swaged) lead bullets, decrease the friction part of the bullet retention (also known as "bullet pull", sometimes).

Good luck and good shooting

Congratulations on taking the plunge.

Lost Sheep

"Bribe"? How about "Inducement". Or, better yet, because of what the added inducement was, "sweetener to the deal"?
 
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I wonder why your Brother threw out your old manual. Even if the load recipes are out of date (a contentious conclusion), the early chapters contain descriptions of the loading process that will never lose relevance. I certainly would have retrieved it.

Bullseye is a very quick powder. (Note that "quickness" is a term of the ballistics art and has specific meaning there). If shooting in longer barrels, a slower powder is often more desirable (achieving velocity with a longer burn time). Unique is a rather quick powder, too, but not as quick as Bullseye.

I take an opposite view from rsrocket1 on the charging of cases and immediately putting the slug on the case mouth (or seating the bullet). When loading a batch, I start with 50 primed and ready cases in a loading block, case mouth down and all primers visible. I look (or feel with my finger) all the primers to ensure they are all seated just a little below flush (as they should be). Then I charge the 50 cases, placing them in a second loading block (you could use the same block, but I like to use two). When all cases are charged, I use a flashlight to see into each case that there is powder, and that the powder in all cases are to the same depth.

Tubular magazines to require extra care to avoid bullet setback. Those rounds of yours that came up short could have produced overperssures. This is what a bullet puller is for. You can take the cartridge apart and re-size, re-seat and re-crimp. (Or, you could just gently tap the bullet out to the proper length and hand-feed it into the chamber and take the cartridge apart the fun way.)

Bullets are retained in the case by two factors. The crimp that rolls the case mouth into each bullet's crimping groove and the friction between the walls of the case mouth and the side(s) of the bullet. If the case-mouth belling mandrel is too great (or your belling technique is too aggressive) the friction grip will be lessened. Your Brother is in a position to observe and advise, even if he is a bit arrogant. If you don't mind me saying, he should emulate your Dad's, Uncle's and Grandfather's attitudes and take pride in you. (Sigh) We men have such fragile egos.

What brand of dies are you using? (I ask because some people have had Lee's Factory Crimp Die (FCD), when used with cast (or swaged) lead bullets, decrease the friction part of the bullet retention (also known as "bullet pull", sometimes).

Good luck and good shooting

Congratulations on taking the plunge.

Lost Sheep

"Bribe"? How about "Inducement". Or, better yet, because of what the added inducement was, "sweetener to the deal"?

According to the box they are made by a company called Dillon. As I said before I bought the press at an auction and the dies came with it. Unfortunately the only dies that I have a weapon for is the 38 special. The auctioneer had put it in front of an old car that was the draw of the auction and people let me have my bid just to get it out of the way so they could get to the car. The press, 5 dies, the holder thingies and two cans of ancient powder came to $90. I'm a bit afraid of the powder so I gave it to my brother. The guy at the gunshop says he can probably sell the dies I can't use for me... Or sell me weapons that match. As if! Somehow I can't see much use for 38S&W that my 32-20 can't fill. Or for that matter a use I could even put a 50-90 for!

We all have our positions in life. I am my grandpa's granddaughter, my Dad's daughter and my uncle's niece but I'll always be my brother's adopted baby sister. You don't want to mess with the natural order of things. It's enough to know that should I ever get pushed down he's going to be there to help me up and God have mercy on the one that pushed me because he's not going to. In his defense (and I'll deny I ever defended him!) Ed has pretty big shoes to fill, as ancient as Dad is he is still a man amongst men and Grandpa made John Wayne look like a sissy. With that tough an act to follow he makes a good showing.
 
Congratulations! You have purchased a Cadillac reloader!

Dillon Precision is still in business, very phone friendly, and has the best no BS guarantee in the business:

http://www.dillonprecision.com

The folks here are friendly and knowledgeable but don't hesitate to contact Dillon also.

Disclaimer: I have no financial interest in Dillon, I'm just a very satisfied customer.

I like homemade pastry, too.
 
Awesome that you have a 32-20. Does "officers' " mean married to more than one officer? Sounds like you got a great deal on a quality press. Kudos!
 
The press is RCBS, the dies are Dillion.

Actually I have two, a 92 Winchester and a Colt double action revolver. Both are ancient but they serve me well.

And no, that's my poor grasp of grammar, since Dave is no longer in the military I'm no longer an officer's wife anyway.
 
Hang on to the dies. You might be buying some other guns just to reload for. If you want cast lead bullets check out Missouri Bullet Company. They have a really good selection of cast .
 
I've meant to ask about that for a long time, and I've enjoyed your posts. My apologies if it was impertinent.

V/R,
Derry
 
The Dillon dies have removable tops held with pull pins for easy cleaning. You may want to consider keeping them for now unless you need to finance/trade for other reloading/shooting items.

We all have our positions in life. I am my grandpa's granddaughter, my Dad's daughter and my uncle's niece
And as time passes by, you could be mother to children, grandmother to grandchildren, aunt to nephews/nieces and you could be teaching them to shoot and reload! :D

It seems only yesterday my dad taught me the essence of using a firearm and now I am teaching my teenage daughter (who is taller than me) the finer virtues of precision point shooting. Soon, she may want her own reloading bench. How time flies!
 
No offense taken Derry, I realize with your profession accurate languager is essential, in mine, not so much.

Joem- the others are either so "exotic" there would be no practical use in buying an arm to fit or are in a niche that we have other flavors that fill the bill. Keep in mind, we are tool uses not collectors. We have no "barbeque" guns, just tools that earn their keep or are traded off for something that does. Added thought: one of my "inheritances" from my late uncle is a cute little machine that makes ball by pressure rather than casting. It has the advantage over cast that you have the ability to add "jackets" or "gas checks" as my brother calls them. He also left me over a hundred dies for that machine starting at .222 to .458. Hubby enjoys using the thing so as long as there is lead available ball is not a problem.

bds- For now the dies suit me, I'm sure as time passes I'll learn the benefits. It is a one step at a time thing and right now the step is to put together ammunition that isn't a danger to myself or a good rifle.

I'm already a mother and an aunt. The context made the full list of my ties unnecessary. The point was, gentle praise from my brother would be inappropriate at best as it would be from me to him. When you are raised by a single father who's highest statement of praise is "you might go far if someone don't hang you first" you can't really expect excess nurturing or emotional outpourings. There is a saying here in cattle country that the only three you can depend on is your God, your mother and yourself. My mother died long ago but I have a big brother.
 
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Amen to that!

And you can count on THR being there for you! (Disclaimer: some exceptions may apply, THR response not deemed as reliable as God)
 
RCBS is a fine press. Dillon dies are fine dies. You can make excellent ammo.

I'm surprised that the rounds chambered without a tight crimp. I use .38 Specials in a pair of Ruger Vaqueros and a Spaghetti Winchester 1873 rifle when cowboy action shooting, and if I miss a crimp the rounds won't chamber in either one. A good tight crimp promotes consistent and complete burning of the powder, so there is an additional reason to put a good crimp on them as a final step.

I have a kid sister. The angst flows both ways...
 
Good accuracy at 75 yards is an accomplishment for a pistol caliber rifle. Congratulations.
 
According to the box they are made by a company called Dillon. As I said before I bought the press at an auction and the dies came with it.
Since you bought the dies used, the box may or may not be original. Somewhere on the dies should be the manufacturer's name or logo.

Lost Sheep
 
Since you bought the dies used, the box may or may not be original. Somewhere on the dies should be the manufacturer's name or logo.

Lost Sheep

OK, I asked my brother and he agreed they are Dillon, he also mentioned they cost about twice as much as what is commonly sold. The press (according to him.) is one of the best RCBS has ever made and been well treated although well used.

He also, once again, advised that I not use Bullseye out of the rifle and left me a can of Unique. I also got a long lecture about overpressure and the signs thereof. :(

After he left I found dies on the bench for 32-20 and .303 Brit, both with little pieces of paper with load data. How he snuck them in without me noticing I have no idea.
 
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