We're Idaho bound . . .

[Andrew Rothman]

We love our freedom and hate, with a dire passion, anyoe that will deny us our rights.

Does that inclule property rights?

if you buy land in the foothills or desert where I have hunted and shot my entire life, then you put up a fence with "no tresspassing" signs, don't be surprised if I view you as the lowest form of scum on the face of the planet.

Guess not.

Idahoans like hunting, hate wolves and view every inch of land as "ours" to be used by everyone. putting up gates, fences and blocking roads are considered major insults.

Nope, you only respect YOUR rights, not those of others. What gives you the right to hunt on others' land, or scorn those that choose to do something different with THEIR property?

Check that ol' Constitution. You won't find any such "right to use others' proerty as I wish" amentment there.

 

[Ellie]

awwwwwwww . . . .

+1 on that.

AW, dasmi and sumpnz, thanks.

And thanks to SteelEye for the recreation info and DCR for the warm welcome.

{group hug} - oh wait, group hugs are WAY too California, hunh? Will I have to give up yoga, too?

 

[Hook686]

Ellie wrote ...

... Career changes will be easier without an, ahem, $600/month property tax payment

...

hmmm with property tax rates about 1% of apprased value that means you will be exchanging roughly a $700,000 house for a $300,000 one. The difference ought tide you over a while. I suspect the Idaho cost of living is less than Southern Kaleefornia also. That is except winter heating costs ... there you might find it a real bear ... pardon the pun. Good luck on your relocation ... it would be nice to hear an update a year from now.

Hook686

 

[SomeKid]

I only meant that didn't see a lot of gyms there (though I suppose I could focus exclusively on strip club employees).

Twas a joke Ellie, but please, make the strippers more pleasing to the eye...not that I in my youthful purity would ever look at them...

 

[ID_shooting]

Please take most of my posts in jest. There is a bit of bitterness because our state is being California.

Quote:
6. Game animals are NOT pets!


People hunt in California, too . . . including my husband.

Don't laugh at this, people actually tell you that the massive covey of quail out by thier gate are thier pets. There is a community just up north called Robie Creek, they have a HUGE population of wild trukeys, almost every resident feeds them and will cuss you out for just asking to hunt one. That coupled with NO TRESSPASSING signs on land we grew up hunting on are some of the major causes of animocity.

As for ranges, there is no need to join or pay to shoot on a range. There are hundreds of square miles of public land where shooting is encouraged with in 20 minutes of town.

I have lived here my entire life (except for the few years I was in the Army) things have deffinately changed. Some changes (private access parks, non-motorized recreation only areas, large swaths of no hunting sections of puplic land have all been blamed on CA transplants. I say these not to discourage you, but just to let you kow our hesitations.

Of course, if you really want to move here and can resist all temptations to "change things for the better", come on in.

Oh, as for being Libertatian, well, the last guy that tried that is still in jail. LOL

 

[ID_shooting]

"Nope, you only respect YOUR rights, not those of others. What gives you the right to hunt on others' land, or scorn those that choose to do something different with THEIR property?"

Not in the least. Growing up there was no such thing fences or signs. We didn't care and our nieghbors didn't care. You just waved, the owners waved back and you passed on through. Try that today and the owner will try to detain you can call the cops to charge you with tresspassing.

It has nothing to do with disrespecting property lines but more to do with greedy, self centered people that can't "share" the land.

 

[SomeKid]

That coupled with NO TRESSPASSING signs on land we grew up hunting on are some of the major causes of animocity.

On a right to own, and do as you wish on property front, I see no foul here. Someone else bought it, and did not want you tresspassing on it. If it was so special to you, shouldn't you have bought it?

 

[IdahoFarmer]

I love Idaho. You'll enjoy living here.

I relocated here from Los Angeles a few years back. Best move I ever made. Wife, kids and I love it here very much. We're in Eagle, just outside of Boise. You'll want to look at Boise, Meridian, Eagle, Kuna, Star and perhaps Middleton.

I'm in real estate here and would be happy to help you find the right home. No pressure, just honest old fashioned quality service. www.YourIdahoHome.com

However you end up... allow me to be the first to say "welcome!"

Yours,

IdahoFarmer - Steve Barbey

 

[hso]

Ellie,

Nope, you're correct. Tennesseans are some of the fattest folks in the nation. Of course that also means lots of work trying to keep the weight down so there's work for yoga instructors.

Mmmmm, gravy!

(And there's a good CB group not to far from Nashvegas).

Fat Old Tennesseans Anonymous Charter Member

p.s. SAIC has 21 IT postions open here in Oak Ridge. Most of them are help desk, but 5 are systems positions. http://jobs.saic.com/ajobbext3.nsf/Tennessee?OpenView&Start=1&Count=75&Expand=2#2

 

[ID_shooting]

"On a right to own, and do as you wish on property front, I see no foul here. Someone else bought it, and did not want you tresspassing on it. If it was so special to you, shouldn't you have bought it?"

Some of you miss the point. It has nothing to do with the property being locked, but rather the mind set of people that lock it. People used to not care, now new people move in and are conceited A holes. Yes, they can do what they wish, it is thier land, but it is the people that do not welcome others are the problem.

It is attitude that gets to us locals.

 

[Sharps Shooter]

Just received this in my email. Thought it was pretty funny and this thread would be a good place to post it. No offense meant.

Due to the popularity of the Survivor's shows, Idaho is planning to do
>its own, titled "Survivor Idaho Style."
>
>The contestants will start in Pocatello, travel over to
>Blackfoot. Then they will head up to Idaho Falls, and Rexberg. From
>there they will proceed on to St. Anthony, and Salmon. Then they will
>go west to Challis, Stanley and over to Riggins through McCall. From
>Riggins they will go back down to Cambridge, Weiser, over to Payette
>and Fruitland. They would travel through Caldwell,Nampa and Boise,
>taking I-84 to Mountain Home, Jerome, Twin Falls. The final leg will b
>through Burley, Rupert, American Falls, ending back in Pocatello.
>
>Each will be driving a pink Volvo with California license plates and a
>LARGE bumper sticker that reads:
>
>"I'm gay. I'm a Vegetarian. Beer is harmful to Your health. Republicans
>suck. Hillary in 2008. Deer hunting is murder, and I'm here to
>confiscate your guns."
>
>The first one that makes it back to Pocatello alive, wins. Good luck to
>all contestants.

 

[Steve F]

That is FUNNY!

 

[Ellie]

No offense meant.

No offense taken

>"I'm gay. I'm a Vegetarian. Beer is harmful to Your health. Republicans
>suck. Hillary in 2008. Deer hunting is murder, and I'm here to
>confiscate your guns."

tee hee. What is it with us Californian's having to express our opinions vehicularly? I think it's because we spend so much time in our cars.

My bumper stickers?

RKBA
CY6
You can't beat a woman who shoots
and (yeah, this one's sorta California): I {heart} my pit bull

I keep looking for one that says: I love my country but fear my government.

 

[Ellie]

There is a community just up north called Robie Creek, they have a HUGE population of wild trukeys, almost every resident feeds them and will cuss you out for just asking to hunt one.

mmmmmm . . . turkey.

 

[Ellie]

p.s. SAIC has 21 IT postions open here in Oak Ridge. Most of them are help desk, but 5 are systems positions.

Awwwww, always looking out for me, aren't you I'll check it out.

 

[SteveKompier]

I escaped California

I left San Diego on Oct. 29th and moved to New Mexico. What a great feeling it was crossing the Colorado river into the land of the free. I now know how people who escaped the iron curtain felt.

You won't regret it. Hey Steve F.

 

[Andrew Rothman]

"Nope, you only respect YOUR rights, not those of others. What gives you the right to hunt on others' land, or scorn those that choose to do something different with THEIR property?"

Not in the least. Growing up there was no such thing fences or signs. We didn't care and our nieghbors didn't care. You just waved, the owners waved back and you passed on through. Try that today and the owner will try to detain you can call the cops to charge you with tresspassing.

It has nothing to do with disrespecting property lines but more to do with greedy, self centered people that can't "share" the land.

If I own it, it's my RIGHT not to share it, and that shouldn't earn your scorn.

Your views on communal property seem very far from a pro-rights stance.

 

[hso]

C'mon guys. ID_shooting is just coarsly expressing the sentiment of folks that grew up in rural settings where neighbors knew each other and treated one another like extended family. They hate that things have changed as more new people have moved in.

I live in rural E. TN where I grew up and we thought nothing about climbing through the fence or going through a gate onto each other's property. We'd wave if we didn't have time to chat or stop and chew the fat if we did. We'd ask about how the blackberry patch down in the ravine was producing or tell the neighbor that quail seemed pretty good on our side. All that's changed though. Now the subdivisions have encroached and 3 of the 5 large farms are busted up and the 4th one looks like it's going to go the same way.

Once the trackt-mansions started popping up we started to see idiots wandering the mile of narrow curvey road down our way wearing head phones and acting like they were on an exercise trail. We'd come upon them as we left or came in and they'd stand there like in the road cattle expecting us to pull into the ditch to go around them.

I HATE to see things change, but remind myself that I don't own enough of the countryside to keep it rural and that I'd have to sell out to a developer and take the moeny and move to have things the way they used to be with with open fields and woods to walk through. I guess that's the reason that public lands need to exist so everyone that can't aford a couple hundred acres can see what it's like.

Heck, I might sell the place one day and move... next to ID_shooting.

 

[Ellie]

C'mon guys. ID_shooting is just coarsly expressing the sentiment of folks that grew up in rural settings where neighbors knew each other and treated one another like extended family. They hate that things have changed as more new people have moved in.

I agree. It's tragic to see what used to be your stomping grounds turn into subdivisions, strip malls, or even just unavailable private property. I can see why there are hard feelings.

This is one of my mixed emotions about being a libertarian - I wonder if the free market is ALWAYS a force for good. But, libertarianism does not admonish against social pressure, just government regulation.

I'ud hate to move up there and then have to move again because it turns into the place I left.

The flip side of a boom is a town like the one I lived in in SE (Appalachian) Ohio, Athens, which is pretty much exactly the same now as when I left 5 1/2 years ago, save for a Walmart and a new Mexican restaurant, because it's so economically un-enticing. Lots of poverty and a heap of tension between the 'townies' and the University folks (Ohio University schools 20k students at a time, about what the County houses in non-students). The neighboring county, Meigs, doesn't even have a sherrif or police (which ain't all bad, I suppose), because it's broke - and, it being fertile land, well, it's famous for some cash crops of the illegal variety.

Part of me misses that lifestyle - I did know just about everybody in town, and knew that I was cared for just because I was part of the community.

Oops, I'm rambling.

 

[ID_shooting]

Sorry for grabbing your thread Ellie, I go off on a rant there.

I guess my preferred life style of trusting/knowing/helping your neighbors is dying. This area used to be such a place. If Bob was working on his fence or barn, we would stop and help. He didn't need to ask, we just did. Likewise, if we needed help getting wood for the winter, Bob would show up with his splitter and we would knock it out in one day.

A few years back some new folks moved in up the draw from where I grew up. The whole area got snowed in and everyone lost power. We knew those folks were new so we tossed some fire wood and extra food in the truck and went to visit. We encountered a closed gate with a big "NO TRESSPASSING" sign. We opened the gate and about halfway to the house, the guy comes out and starts yelling obcenities and saying somthing about, @@#$#@# hicks, can't you read! Well, we obviously left. We never did discover if they made it through the week.

Again, my ranting has nothing to do with rights or forcing everyone to have communal property, like Andrew Rothman implied. Rual living has a certian life style. We all trust each other and genuinely care for each other. If you need help, I will help. If your kids needs a galon of gas for his dirt bike and I have it, he is welcome to it. As more people move in, that trust leaves, it is not the ones allready here but the new folks that lack the trust and thus can't fathom that people are willing to care for each other with nothing in return.

That is what I am loosing in my life. Call me old fashioned, grumpy, or even an idealist, but I like that life and I want to keep it.

 

[Ellie]

Sorry for grabbing your thread Ellie, I go off on a rant there.

Nothing to be sorry for, you had a point to make and you made it. That's what forums are for

We opened the gate and about halfway to the house, the guy comes out and starts yelling obcenities and saying somthing about, @@#$#@# hicks, can't you read!

Woah - truly, that's not even normal behavior for a Californian - we're mostly just pissy when driving - mebbe they were cooking meth or something?????

That is what I am loosing in my life. Call me old fashioned, grumpy, or even an idealist, but I like that life and I want to keep it.

I hear you. The first month I was in Athens OH, I went to an exercise class and the teacher was taking donations for a family whose son had been hit by a car. Everybody in class wrote a check for what they felt they could afford.

However, San Diego has several cities just to the East (Santee, el Cajon, Lemon Grove, etc.) that were, not so long ago, quite rural - like acreage and horses rural. So they tend to have more of small town roots. We were in Santee one day, ran out of gas about 2 blocks from the gas station. Got out and started pushing. Not one but two trucks full of guys pulled over and helped within seconds. That would likely not have happened in a more expensive beachy community in San Diego.

As Barry said to me after that event: I'd rather run out of gas [me: live, have friends from, associate with, etc.] in Red State America, thank you very much.

yes, indeed.

 

[Zedicus]

ID_Shooting, the "Old Fashioned" way you describe (which I call common decency) is exactly how I was raised to be, and am stubbornly going to stay .

it's far from withering away, but isn't as apparent as it should be, to often it gets overlooked due to a minority of uppity bozo's like the ones you mentioned.

I grew up mostly in a small backwater (more like back-desert) town in C.A, then ended up in the UK from 95 till July this year (10 years of Hell) when I moved to Idaho, sofar I'm finding that I fit in here better than I ever did anywhere else.

when I see people act the way you described the thought of ramming there teeth down there throat does occasionally cross my mind, I never do it, but it's not illegal to think it.
(nor is it impolite to mentaly mutter several choice phrases about said bozo )

Ellie, intresting tidbit of info.

my Mom grew up party in el Cajon, and partly in Boise, from her story's of el Cajon, when she lived there rush hour practically consisted of a few tumbleweeds blowing through the town....
(where I mostly grew up wasn't a lot different btw)

 

[Oleg Volk]

At the same age as you, my parents moved to a whole other country. THey adjusted fine. You don't have to learn a new laanguage even...you'll do fine!

 

[ID_shooting]

Zedicus,

There has to be some sanity left, we even found some.

This last month, Thanksgiving day, my dad, my brother, my nephew and I all went out early AM to see if we could find a rooster or two. We were hunting the edge of the Deer Flats NWR. One side of the road has the federal land with the lake, the other side is all populated with these 5-10 acre ranchettes.

Well, we run some birds over the road and they land in this guys field, we are talking like 6 nice roosters and a few hens, SWEET!

We head up to the house, they guy is a hard working jo, per the sign on his truck he is a dry waller. We knock on his door, kinda obvious what we want, we are in hunter orange and packing shotguns

Well, we ask, he says, well, help me round up my horses real quick and the field is yours. Kinda of surprising considering we were expecting to get run off. Well, we get the horses in the corral (he just whistled and the came running ) And he told us "good luck" Well, we get a couple of shots off but most of the birds hop the fence into his neighbors land.

We go up to this guys house in the same fashion, we make it about half way up the drive and this guy come out and yells "GET THE F OF MY LAND OR I AM GOING TO CALL THE COPS"

OK, we turn and leave.

My 11 year old nephew is flabergasted, you can tell he wants to say somthing but can't think of the right thing to say. My dad tells him that some people don't like hunters or hunting nor do they like strangers. My brother pipes in, some of them are just A-holes.

My nephew just said, well, if I owned this land I would let people hunt it as long as they were safe.

So, ya, we still have the good ones here, too bad some are so uppidy that they can't enjoy the western life.

 

[Skeptic]

I also grew up in a small town and it was as you described with neighbors helping each other out. Here, its another story.... everyones in a rush and you live in your own little world in your Mcmansion on your alloted two acres of land that cost way too much.

I miss the old days when I could go out and just get lost all day in the woods.

When I get rich and buy half of a state somewhere with excellent gun laws, everyone will be welcome to stop in and do a little bit of hunting..... Just wave if you see me out and about.

And dont shoot my dang stupid dog......