My friend in Hayden Lake considers the deer, pheasant, quail, etc. on his property his emergency food supply.
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We're Idaho bound . . .
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Huh? Buck Knives is located in Post Falls, ID - a spit mark on the globe just across the border from Spokane, Washington. It's about 450 miles North of Boise.
Welcome to Idaho. We have two seasons, winter and road construction. Bring your own money, there isn't much here.
Pilgrim said:
Get a bit north of Hayden Lake (known locally as "California with snow") and they consider the unarmed neighbors an emergency food supply. Eat the chubby ones first, save those fast skinny ones for the stew pot.
Idaho is a great state. Some of my favorite places on the globe are in Idaho. I've lived in Blackfoot for a short while, worked in Pokey, played in Lava Hot Springs, and relax up in Island Park. Wouldn't mind living up there in Island Park. If I had a job offer up there, I'd move next week.
Buy some Vote for Pedro shirts, and you will be just fine.
Buy some Vote for Pedro shirts, and you will be just fine.
The summer before last I rode up to a BMW motorcycle rally in Spokane, and spent a week with a buddy of mine in Couer d'Alene (spelling?). What a great time, and a great city! we went shooting, dirt riding, the weather was great. I loved it. I've also spent time in Boise on business trips, and liked it there. such a huge change from CA. Definitely something to consider.
Idaho isn't that great...
With our cold weather, roughneck jerks, ticks as big as your thumb and rattlesnakes everywhere. What's wrong with staying in CA and making the good fight of it?
And I hear Arizona is swell....
With our cold weather, roughneck jerks, ticks as big as your thumb and rattlesnakes everywhere. What's wrong with staying in CA and making the good fight of it?
And I hear Arizona is swell....
Try Texas
Hi Ellie,
You should really consider Texas. You can get a really nice place for about half of your current mortgage. We have jobs, no state income tax (this year), and plenty of nice warm weather.
My wife and I are realtors in the Dallas area. Most of the new buyer calls we get are from folks wanting to flee California. They ask us funny questions like, "I only have $300,000. Can I get a 1400 sqft house with that much?"
Our normal response is, "Would you like 10 acres to go with that house, or would you prefer a more suburban setting with 2500 sqft?"
California is nowhere I want to be.
Hi Ellie,
You should really consider Texas. You can get a really nice place for about half of your current mortgage. We have jobs, no state income tax (this year), and plenty of nice warm weather.
My wife and I are realtors in the Dallas area. Most of the new buyer calls we get are from folks wanting to flee California. They ask us funny questions like, "I only have $300,000. Can I get a 1400 sqft house with that much?"
Our normal response is, "Would you like 10 acres to go with that house, or would you prefer a more suburban setting with 2500 sqft?"
California is nowhere I want to be.
Zedicus said:my Mom grew up party in el Cajon, and partly in Boise, from her story's of el Cajon, when she lived there rush hour practically consisted of a few tumbleweeds blowing through the town....
(where I mostly grew up wasn't a lot different btw)
Gah - so I was basically just born a century too late.
We just got back from Boise. All y'all that live there - I hope you realize, that ain't gonna be a small town for long. More moonbats are going to move in and there's gonna be low-grade war for a time. There's no telling who will win.
Mmmmmm . . . we met truly warm-hearted people, worked out at the best Gold's gym I've ever been in, tromped around in the snow . . .
BUT DANGIT, I WANT MY LOG HOME IN THE MOUNTAINS, a trap range in the backyard, and a pit bull rescue ranch, not a house in the 'burbs. I want to walk out back and shoot a wild turkey for dinner, dance around a bonfire, laugh until I cry at the stories that my friends tell.
I fear that my crazy, 34-going-on-19, childless, fitness obsessed, camera-addicted self would be freakish in Boise - where do I find the eccentric fun conservatives?
We're still giving Boise some thought. It's hard to tell about a place from one visit.
If you live there - good lord, man, buy property now!
Ellie,
It all depends on how far you want to drive. Your choices for the above are south of town, desert land 20 minute drive to town. (you will have to plant trees and the wind always blows)
North of town 45 minute to 1 1/2 hours drive (Robie Creek/Grimes Creek area, property values going up, mountians w/ snow)
North West of town 1 hour drive (Horseshoe Bend Area or Emmett, not all flat ground, well Emmett is, better land prices, the road can be rough in the winter)
West is Meridian, Nampa, or Caldwell, not real feasable for what you describe(becomming suburbs of Boise, the latter two are crime heavy for the area in some spots)
East is more desert, again 20 minute drive, some land sales going on.
Were I able to pull up stakes and move, it would probably be north or north west. Mountains, pine trees, rivers and streams. Ya you can get 3-4 feet of snow up there, but hey, sometimes it is fun getting snowed in.
If you dont mine a possible 2 hour drive, there is Parma are to the west, chunks of farm land with old trees, good bird hunting and small town appeal or Mountain Home area, has an Air Force Base, again, farms for sale but is mostly desert.
Next time you come this way, let me know. I know I razzed on you a bit, but I will show you some of the places above if you are interested.
OH, before I forget, the Pit rescue ranch? Um, pits are not looked very kindly on here. Some people like them, most accociate them with California transplants or people looking for trouble, some will kill them on site if they ever get loose, not wanting to start a war over pits, just stating the way the local here feel of them. Of course a ranch with large numbers of dogs will be counter productive to you back field turkey hunting, in case you didn't know
It all depends on how far you want to drive. Your choices for the above are south of town, desert land 20 minute drive to town. (you will have to plant trees and the wind always blows)
North of town 45 minute to 1 1/2 hours drive (Robie Creek/Grimes Creek area, property values going up, mountians w/ snow)
North West of town 1 hour drive (Horseshoe Bend Area or Emmett, not all flat ground, well Emmett is, better land prices, the road can be rough in the winter)
West is Meridian, Nampa, or Caldwell, not real feasable for what you describe(becomming suburbs of Boise, the latter two are crime heavy for the area in some spots)
East is more desert, again 20 minute drive, some land sales going on.
Were I able to pull up stakes and move, it would probably be north or north west. Mountains, pine trees, rivers and streams. Ya you can get 3-4 feet of snow up there, but hey, sometimes it is fun getting snowed in.
If you dont mine a possible 2 hour drive, there is Parma are to the west, chunks of farm land with old trees, good bird hunting and small town appeal or Mountain Home area, has an Air Force Base, again, farms for sale but is mostly desert.
Next time you come this way, let me know. I know I razzed on you a bit, but I will show you some of the places above if you are interested.
OH, before I forget, the Pit rescue ranch? Um, pits are not looked very kindly on here. Some people like them, most accociate them with California transplants or people looking for trouble, some will kill them on site if they ever get loose, not wanting to start a war over pits, just stating the way the local here feel of them. Of course a ranch with large numbers of dogs will be counter productive to you back field turkey hunting, in case you didn't know
I used to live down in Kuna (a little south of Meridian). Really nice little town, although not mountains and snow. Sounds like you do want to look up towards Robie/Grimes Creek area on up towards Idaho City.
Dang I miss it out west....
Dang I miss it out west....
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Hi, I live in Hailey. There are endlessamounts of recreation here and you can shoot on blm whenever you want for free. Fishing, hunting, biking, skiing(all kinds) make this a nature playground. Check it out, you'll either love it and stay or hate it and leave. Bye, Jeff
So. Cal to Idaho To IL.to find work...
Last Spring my neighbors moved here to Illinois (50 miles south of Chicago) from Idaho. They told me they moved here to find more and higher paying work. They are a hispanic/Mexican couple with 2 small children. Originally they left East Los Angeles for Idaho to get away from the rif-raf. The man is a painter-works for a contractor on new construction, the wife works in a hospital laundry, they're hard working, very nice and emmaculately clean people. They were amazed at how expensive everything is here in northern IL. At one time they considered purchasing the 4-bedroom home they are renting so he asked me how much I thought it would cost. When I told him probably around 125thou he laughed and said no way. Later he found out it was on the market for 142 (but never sold).
They aren't into guns at all.
Thanks
Last Spring my neighbors moved here to Illinois (50 miles south of Chicago) from Idaho. They told me they moved here to find more and higher paying work. They are a hispanic/Mexican couple with 2 small children. Originally they left East Los Angeles for Idaho to get away from the rif-raf. The man is a painter-works for a contractor on new construction, the wife works in a hospital laundry, they're hard working, very nice and emmaculately clean people. They were amazed at how expensive everything is here in northern IL. At one time they considered purchasing the 4-bedroom home they are renting so he asked me how much I thought it would cost. When I told him probably around 125thou he laughed and said no way. Later he found out it was on the market for 142 (but never sold).
They aren't into guns at all.
Thanks
ID_shooting said:
Hey there! It was a whirlwind trip, or I woulda looked you up. We saw: Boise, Meridian, Caldwell, Idaho City (loved that area), McCall (and stuff along the way - drove up the, uhm, 56? and back down through the National Forest through Horseshoe Bend). We didn't get to Parma, but we probably should've, as I've seen some listings for 5 acres with a house for under $200. . . .
Uhm - what's up with the area South and East where there's nothing for miles and miles? Is that ranch land that just hasn't been sold and developed yet?
I was sort of kidding about the pit bull rescue ranch. I do have a fondness for dogs of all breeds, but I don't plan to get a zillion.
Like many of us down here, we do have a pibble, but she's actually the old hog dog type, lanky and floppy-eared, without the broad chest and huge head, so people might not know know she's a pittie. She's also such a friendly little sweet thing that nobody could be afraid of her, though we would be careful about her getting off our property . . .
Sigh. Big trip. Emotionally draining. Need rest.
Thanks to all of you with thoughts and comments
Between Boise and Mountain Home, from the hills to the Sanke River is mostly BLM land with cattle grazing and a big chunk of it manuver ground for the Nationnal Guard and Reserve forces out of Gowen Field.
Some of it is private, in fact, you can by 10,000 acres for less than a grand an acre at any given moment in time.
Some of it is private, in fact, you can by 10,000 acres for less than a grand an acre at any given moment in time.
Every state has it's goods and bads. I have been to Idaho several times and it was a pleasant experience. I currently live in Oregon and it's also not too bad. At least we don't get the cops called on us if our CCW accidentally peeps from under cover. I moved from Kali in 1989 and have never looked back. Good luck to you guys and enjoy your new lifestyle.
Its Highway 55 which takes you up North to Horseshoe Bend and on to McCall/Tamarack. About 20 minutes past Horseshoe is Banks, a near zero population town. There, if you head East for 30 minutes it will take you to Garden Valley. Very beautiful.
If you end up going the cabin route I would say Garden Valley or the Idaho City area would be your best bets. When I get my cabin thats where I'll be.
Hope your trip here was enjoyable! You have friends here.
Idaho Farmer
If you end up going the cabin route I would say Garden Valley or the Idaho City area would be your best bets. When I get my cabin thats where I'll be.
Hope your trip here was enjoyable! You have friends here.
Idaho Farmer
Ellie said:
Some advice from someone who's been here eight years now after moving from a major metro area (Chicago): don't expect anything out of Idaho. Let it unfold before you. If you can't do that, you'll be profoundly unhappy.
Boise is a small suburb by the standards you're used to. That means that people that meet your description are going to be few and far between here.
I went through this with the old lady here in SE Idaho, pointing out that if you weren't part of the LDS church, you'd just chopped the social circle by almost 80% in real terms and she was looking for specific.alt.wierd in what amounted to a town of less than 10k after that subtraction had taken place.
A few years later, she's happy but it takes real time to get the locals to accept you, at least in this corner of the state. If I was from CA, they'd still be thumbing their nose at me. It helps I'm a 4H handgun instructor, am active at the gun club (and a board member now), and am useful enough to be a part-timer at a local old-school gun shop. They're convinced secretly I'm one of them.
That said, some of the things on your requirement list aren't going to fly here. As other posters have said, there's no love for the pit here. Because Idaho is basically unregulated, anyone in an urban area has had to deal with an idiot neighbor with one. I switched to a more effective anti-animal caliber in my carry handgun because of it.
And what CA considers a libertarian generally Idaho considers a communist stooge - no insult intended - but rather an illustration of just how different things are here.
You're also going to have to come to terms with the Mormons, less so in Boise than in my part of the state, but they're *everywhere* by any non-Idaho standard. They're going to be your range partners en masse.
I'd also expect some reticence to sell property to a CA native. I got *zero* good offers the first couple years I was looking for land until I learned some magical phrases through experience. It helped that the farmers in the outlying areas realized I was driving their kind of car (not even a truck) and talked their language.
Realize you're stepping into what is in real terms an alien culture - and it's one that distrusts outsiders for all the reasons mentioned. I didn't get it the first couple years I was here. For perspective, it's not "Happy Holidays" here - it's Merry Christmas. The Ten Commandments are on the lawn of my local courthouse, and as a heretical practically non-Christian, I like them there.
Yes, the gun laws are great. Yes, you can be profoundly left alone. If that's what you want, great. Just know that in some respects starting a business and looking for clients is going to be imepeded by this culture gap for at least let's say the first five years.
I'm not trying to chase you or anyone away, but rather to try to provide a little bit of a guide to what it's like to transition to the state.
Idaho has many wonderful things that are not generally discussed, even amongst the locals. Those things take time to understand, and big city standards and biases get in the way big-time. It's worth it if you can deal with it all.
rfurtkamp has nailed it pretty good, being a native, I have not had that expirience.
As for the Mormons, yes, they are everywhere and deeply engrained in most every aspect of the populace. Considering most of the southern communities were founded by Mormons this doesn't surprise me.
They are generally good folks though, they believe in self reliance, are easy to get along with, they may try to talk religion with you from time to time, but hey, they sure can put on a good debate. They do have tough network of supporters that is very hard to crack. Many non-Mormons believe they have lost a job or promotion because they are not in "the good ole boy network."
But hey, you can't fault them for taking care of thier own.
As for the Mormons, yes, they are everywhere and deeply engrained in most every aspect of the populace. Considering most of the southern communities were founded by Mormons this doesn't surprise me.
They are generally good folks though, they believe in self reliance, are easy to get along with, they may try to talk religion with you from time to time, but hey, they sure can put on a good debate. They do have tough network of supporters that is very hard to crack. Many non-Mormons believe they have lost a job or promotion because they are not in "the good ole boy network."
But hey, you can't fault them for taking care of thier own.
Native Idahoans flat HATE Californians. I remember when Boise was 35 thousand people. Californian refugees caused land prices to skyrocket to where folks could not afford the property taxes on their farms and ranches and had to piece by piece sell out.
Boise used to be a very conservative town with extremely little crime and very friendly people. Not with the influx of morons and their cries for "diversity" Boise is just another crime ridden big city cesspool. I left for another part of the state after graduating from BSU and will NEVER move back to Boise.
The scourge of out of state slob hunters we are forced to deal with every fall is incredible. They show up in their jacked up four wheel drives, and four wheelers. They chase the elk and deer down on 4 wheelers or sleds and shoot off of them. If something is only wounded or gut shot or does not have a big enough rack they leave them lay and go find something else. I have seen it many times. As a matter of fact the Idaho Fish and Game and ISP just did a sting operation on a bunch of California "hunters" who came up and shot up a whole herd of elk, cut a couple of horns off and left the rest to rot. I cannot even begin to describe my loathing.
I cannot even tell you how many times I have run into these intoxicated slobs while they are "hunting" They shoot up road signs, tresspass on private land. They tear down fences with no regard for anyones property. I even caught a group a couple of years ago who were tearing the siding off of a friends outbuilding so they could use it for firewood.
The most ignorant group of people I have ever seen. They actually think they are "mountain men"
The all have one thing in common.
CALIFORNIA license plates.
I for one will NEVER EVER allow a Californian to hunt on my land. PERIOD. If that seems harsh, blame it on their fellow Californians who have ruined it for everyone.
OK I am off my soap box.
Merry Christmas
Boise used to be a very conservative town with extremely little crime and very friendly people. Not with the influx of morons and their cries for "diversity" Boise is just another crime ridden big city cesspool. I left for another part of the state after graduating from BSU and will NEVER move back to Boise.
The scourge of out of state slob hunters we are forced to deal with every fall is incredible. They show up in their jacked up four wheel drives, and four wheelers. They chase the elk and deer down on 4 wheelers or sleds and shoot off of them. If something is only wounded or gut shot or does not have a big enough rack they leave them lay and go find something else. I have seen it many times. As a matter of fact the Idaho Fish and Game and ISP just did a sting operation on a bunch of California "hunters" who came up and shot up a whole herd of elk, cut a couple of horns off and left the rest to rot. I cannot even begin to describe my loathing.
I cannot even tell you how many times I have run into these intoxicated slobs while they are "hunting" They shoot up road signs, tresspass on private land. They tear down fences with no regard for anyones property. I even caught a group a couple of years ago who were tearing the siding off of a friends outbuilding so they could use it for firewood.
The most ignorant group of people I have ever seen. They actually think they are "mountain men"
The all have one thing in common.
CALIFORNIA license plates.
I for one will NEVER EVER allow a Californian to hunt on my land. PERIOD. If that seems harsh, blame it on their fellow Californians who have ruined it for everyone.
OK I am off my soap box.
Merry Christmas
IV Troop said:
I am sure this might ruffle a few feathers, but I have always wanted to ask. Idaho does have a reputation of some pretty grounded in neo-nazi, white supremist groups who are entrenched there. Some of this is probably just media hype, but some of it is pretty valid when you comb the archives.
I am curious how people there look at minority races coming in? This post of adding "diversity" to be directly associated with crime begs me to ask about this.
One Idahoans thoughts on "diversity"
Diversity does nothing but divide people. If all we do is focus on differences then how will we ever have acceptance. There is a bit of bigotry in everyone, might be race based, might be gender based, might be class based, may even be political based. If all we pay attention to are the things that makes us different, how can we all be the same.
DISCLAIMER: the following are not my opinion but rather just stating facts.
As for racial relations in Idaho, well, in the past there were some deep seated hatred. That feeling has mostly left with a few exceptions; Mexican immigrants are still not treated very well as a whole. They are blamed for most of our crime. If you look at our current jail roster you will find a disproportionately high volume of Hispanics. I will say that folks of color are still not trusted, but certainly have come a lot farther in the last 20 years.
Diversity does nothing but divide people. If all we do is focus on differences then how will we ever have acceptance. There is a bit of bigotry in everyone, might be race based, might be gender based, might be class based, may even be political based. If all we pay attention to are the things that makes us different, how can we all be the same.
DISCLAIMER: the following are not my opinion but rather just stating facts.
As for racial relations in Idaho, well, in the past there were some deep seated hatred. That feeling has mostly left with a few exceptions; Mexican immigrants are still not treated very well as a whole. They are blamed for most of our crime. If you look at our current jail roster you will find a disproportionately high volume of Hispanics. I will say that folks of color are still not trusted, but certainly have come a lot farther in the last 20 years.
I see a black person once a month on average. There aren't enough folks to have relations with, good or bad.
I'm originally from Chicago. In my eight years here, the only substantial discussion I've had with a black person is while they met Mr. Glock.
The Hispanic thing as mentioned is an issue- crime, especially violent crime, disproportionately centers around Hispanic neighborhoods and families in this area. You notice it in reading the police blotters especially.
As far as "neo-Nazis", well, let me tell you I met far more in Skokie than I ever have in Idaho. They're here, but you won't find seven hundred of them shopping on a Tuesday afternoon at the mall.
I'm originally from Chicago. In my eight years here, the only substantial discussion I've had with a black person is while they met Mr. Glock.
The Hispanic thing as mentioned is an issue- crime, especially violent crime, disproportionately centers around Hispanic neighborhoods and families in this area. You notice it in reading the police blotters especially.
As far as "neo-Nazis", well, let me tell you I met far more in Skokie than I ever have in Idaho. They're here, but you won't find seven hundred of them shopping on a Tuesday afternoon at the mall.
With our massive influx of people from California and other states as well plus the flood of illegal aliens came "diversity" as well as an explosion in crime, especially violent crime. The liberals won and the Treasure valley became diverse:banghead: .
Now native Boise folks are leaving in droves and moving as far away as possible. Many thought Garden Valley would be the answer but the land prices have gone through the roof and it seems every other neighbor is from California. The population has changed from ranchers and loggers to volvo driving dotcommers. It is sad.
As far as race relations go, I think there are still a few Nazi wierdos in north Idaho. Many of the rural folks I have seen could be labeled as seperatists. They have no hatered towards other races, they simply want to be left alone and not have stuff forced upon them. Many times I have heard people address the white kids in Boise who dress like black or mexican gang bangers as "wiggers". That should be a clue. Why a kid would want to emulate criminal scum is beyond me.
On the flip side I have met and worked with some very skilled Mexican cowboys and they can set a saddle as well as anyone. Mexican cowboys in northern Nevada, southern Idaho and eastern Oregon have a very rich history and I for one would like to see it continued. Unfortunately it too is dying off as fewer and fewer of the new generations want to ranch and cowboy. They want to go to Caldwell and Boise and fly their gang colors
Now native Boise folks are leaving in droves and moving as far away as possible. Many thought Garden Valley would be the answer but the land prices have gone through the roof and it seems every other neighbor is from California. The population has changed from ranchers and loggers to volvo driving dotcommers. It is sad.
As far as race relations go, I think there are still a few Nazi wierdos in north Idaho. Many of the rural folks I have seen could be labeled as seperatists. They have no hatered towards other races, they simply want to be left alone and not have stuff forced upon them. Many times I have heard people address the white kids in Boise who dress like black or mexican gang bangers as "wiggers". That should be a clue. Why a kid would want to emulate criminal scum is beyond me.
On the flip side I have met and worked with some very skilled Mexican cowboys and they can set a saddle as well as anyone. Mexican cowboys in northern Nevada, southern Idaho and eastern Oregon have a very rich history and I for one would like to see it continued. Unfortunately it too is dying off as fewer and fewer of the new generations want to ranch and cowboy. They want to go to Caldwell and Boise and fly their gang colors
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