What 308 do you guys recommend?
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Well, I sold my P7. As soon as I get the funds and the buyer gets the weapon I think I'm going to order a Savage FCP HS Precision. Thanks for the input folks.
(Honestly, I'm still tempted to get an AR in 308 or even 223 but if I get the bolty first I'll have an excuse to get one later. Shhhhhh. Don't tell the wife.)
(Honestly, I'm still tempted to get an AR in 308 or even 223 but if I get the bolty first I'll have an excuse to get one later. Shhhhhh. Don't tell the wife.)
Don't waltz into the Win. Mod. 70 without getting up to speed as regards the various changes over the production years.
From 1965 to 1991 Winchester produced a push feed, short extractor, and a pretty funky pressed checkering stock.
Then in 1992 Winchester reintroduced the "Classic 70" -- long, Mauser style extractor, positive feed, synthetic stocks, stainless.
Recently, Win. merged with Olin, FN, and I think Beretta (I can't keep up.) and they're producing guns out of Columbus SC -- same production plant as makes machine-guns for the military. Winchester closed the plant in New Haven Conn. and discontinued production of several models. I think they stopped the 1894, a shame!
Anyways, I found a Win. Mod. 70 "Classic Stainless" in 30-06, Leupold scope. It wasn't any $400.
The Winchester site lists the model variations on the Mod 70.
http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/historic-category.asp?family=001C
The Ruger M77 is getting rave reviews. They come up used all the time too.
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xx7grant7x
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i vote tikka t3 as well like the varmint model. i have one in 308 too! beautiful smooth action gun
308 Recommendation
I recommend a look at Ruger Hawkeye International
http://www.ruger.com/products/m77HawkeyeInternational/index.html
It's "carryable" -- lightweight (6.25 pounds which compares very favorably to semi-auto battle rifles or tack drivers with optics); short (38"); comes with sling swivels. Has iron sights, so nothing else to buy to make it functional. It won't break the bank -- MSRP is $967; street price around $700.
I recommend a look at Ruger Hawkeye International
http://www.ruger.com/products/m77HawkeyeInternational/index.html
It's "carryable" -- lightweight (6.25 pounds which compares very favorably to semi-auto battle rifles or tack drivers with optics); short (38"); comes with sling swivels. Has iron sights, so nothing else to buy to make it functional. It won't break the bank -- MSRP is $967; street price around $700.
jpwilly
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Savage 10 YES!
I've been enjoying my Savage 10 "Tactical" - sold only at Cabelas with a Choate Tool Tactical Stock combo for $649 on sale. Just this weekend I skim bedded the aluminum bedding v-block and bedded the scope bases and changed to Steel Med Rings instead of the tall aluminum rings that came on the inexpensive CenterPoint 4-16x40mm Mil Dot $70 scope (wal mart) on it. Just to see if I can eek past the .5 MOA mark on a consistent basis with it. It already shoots fine..below are some targets I scanned from my very first outing with it. I was breaking in the barrel and trying out different ammo/ladder loads.
I've been enjoying my Savage 10 "Tactical" - sold only at Cabelas with a Choate Tool Tactical Stock combo for $649 on sale. Just this weekend I skim bedded the aluminum bedding v-block and bedded the scope bases and changed to Steel Med Rings instead of the tall aluminum rings that came on the inexpensive CenterPoint 4-16x40mm Mil Dot $70 scope (wal mart) on it. Just to see if I can eek past the .5 MOA mark on a consistent basis with it. It already shoots fine..below are some targets I scanned from my very first outing with it. I was breaking in the barrel and trying out different ammo/ladder loads.
If that 10 FCP-K shoots anything at all like my 10 FCP-HS you'll love it!!! When I set out to build a "poor man's tactical rifle" I purchased the 10 FCP-HS, mounted a Burris XTR 3X-12X mildot scope on it using the beefy Burris tactical rings, and rounded it out with a Harris 6" - 9" swiveling bipod. I worked up some loads with 168 gr Nosler BTHPs over Varget and I can shoot sub MOA (Usually sub .5 MOA) all day long as long as I do my part. Plenty good enough for me!! My targets look a lot like jpwilly's above.
I went to fondle my FCP-K and put down some money on it. Sadly I won't be able to pick it up until next week. That sucker is sweet. The trigger pull if perfect and it feels really well balanced. I already have a pair of Burris mounts and my Millett TRS-1 with Burris Signature rings is getting transplanted from my 7mm to my new Savage. I can't wait to get out and shoot it.
Hammerhead6814
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Savage Model 10 or 11. Yeah, your rifle will be uglier than sin, but if a rifle was meant to be beautiful they'd include breast in the design.
jhallrv4
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"A friend of mine who is a benchrest champion told me all of the powder in a 308 is burned at about 20 inches of barrel length."
Irrespective of powder, powder charge, bullet, neck sizing, crimp, primer, ambient temp, etc.??? Really? Cool! I've learned something new!
Jeff
Irrespective of powder, powder charge, bullet, neck sizing, crimp, primer, ambient temp, etc.??? Really? Cool! I've learned something new!
Jeff
Detritus
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I have an SPS-Varmint with the first style (no external adjustment) X-mark. the only trouble i had with adjusting it (after i confirmed which scew was the pull weight adjustment) was i needed a dental pick to clean the sealant out of the allen screw.
the X-mark is MUCH easier and frankly safer to adjust than the old style "traditional" Remington trigger, changing the pull weight no longer requires changes to ser engagement etc to keep the gun safe. and Now they're making an externally adjustable version of the X-mark that allows you to adjust the trigger pull without taking the action out of the stock.
my only, small, complaint about the X-mark is that it has a smooth face, and I'm one of "those people" that thinks a remington should have a grooved trigger face.
Bobarino
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^ agreed. I had an X-Mark Pro in my SPS Varmint in .308. It's easy to adjust with an allen wrench externally and it breaks fairly nicely for a factory trigger. the weaknesses of that trigger are the short, narrow smooth trigger shoe and inconsistent pull weight. sometimes it would break at 2.5 lbs, sometimes 4.25 lbs on the same setting. dry firing and lube seemed to help somewhat but in the end, I replaced it with a Timney trigger with the 3/8" wide ribbed shoe. after comparing the two, the shortcomings of the X-Mark become more apparent.
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See mine has not had that issue. well actually i should say that it's never had that issue, after being adjusted down, and during live fire. I was a litlte more fortunate as to the utility of lube and lots of dryfiring.
that said I too will likely switch to a Jewell or Timney in the future. But currently my own skills are too rusty to warrant the switch from a "good trigger" to an "excellent trigger" as i'd see no improvement downrange...
Sheepdog1968
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I think for the money you are talking about, you should be able to pick up a new/used Rem 700 or Win 70. Either would be a fine weapon. They have stood the test of time (which means something to me) and should reach out to where you want to shoot no problem. Then, I'd just take what you bought and go shoot it. Most people cannot shoot up to the accuracy of their rifles. I know I can't. A good class worth taking would be an Appleseed two day marksmanship class (cost about $80). It will likley make you a much better shottist.
corky52
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JDGray wrote--"Nothing wrong with that Savage you were eyeballing. A 20" heavy barrel is gonna be plenty accurate, and muzzle velocity will still be good. Love my 20" Savage 10FP"
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Have a Savage 10PC. love it. The 20" semi heavy barrel is no handicap, until probably over 800yards, or so. Plus 20" makes for a very handy deer rifle.
Here he is playing "hide and seek" in the flowerbed.
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Have a Savage 10PC. love it. The 20" semi heavy barrel is no handicap, until probably over 800yards, or so. Plus 20" makes for a very handy deer rifle.
Here he is playing "hide and seek" in the flowerbed.
corky52
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Well you'll like the Savage. Scary accurate, right out of the box. Never had one that wasn't. My 10PC is no exception. I'm sure you'll be very satisfied, Jon. Welcome to the "Brotherhood of the Barrel Nut"
jfernett119
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+1 for Remington 700 SPS. It is my favorite bolt gun. Very accurate. Can't go wrong
deadeye1122
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Old rusty and trusty rem 788 in .308 would be my pick. Have both. rem 700 sps Tac in 308 and the 788 out shoots it. althougt I am still working on the sps it's a work in progress.
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