JohnVF
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I am looking into buying a .40 cal and considering the following: CZ75, HK USP and the GLOCK. I really need feedback as to which one would be better i.e. accuracy, reliability and also better for the range(IDPA or club shoots).
What .40 cal is better?
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Joey101
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I'm pretty new at this but here is what I've been hearing when asking the pro's their opinions.
The HK, while as HK makes some great guns. They are over priced.
Glock makes a great line of guns, I don't care for some of them, but the 30 has to be my favorite out of the line.
Also, in my opinion try a S.A. XD40. I have the XD45 on layaway. From what I've read on them they seem to be a very good contender with Glock. The XD line is farely new (02' I think), but is gaining popularity.
The HK, while as HK makes some great guns. They are over priced.
Glock makes a great line of guns, I don't care for some of them, but the 30 has to be my favorite out of the line.
Also, in my opinion try a S.A. XD40. I have the XD45 on layaway. From what I've read on them they seem to be a very good contender with Glock. The XD line is farely new (02' I think), but is gaining popularity.
All of them are good. Some will say that Glocks will kaboom, but that's another story (I have two Glocks in .40, one with a Bar-Sto and one with a factory barrel...I am not worried about either of them). You might want to consider the Sig P229 as well. I'm sorry about mentioning it, since you didn't, but it is so frickin' sweet that I couldn't help myself. Good luck.
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boofus
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Rent the HK if you can. It will turn you into a German Gun Snob after a few shots. Worse than crystal meth. The only guns you might like better will be the USP Tactical in .40 and Sigs. That's ok, they are German guns too. 
I have owned both the Glock 23 and Sig 229 in 40. I sold the Glock last week as I really didn't care for it that much, nothing wrong with it but it just didn't float my boat. I have shot several other 40's but my favorite by a wide margin is the Sig 229. I strongly urge you to take a look at and hopefully get an opportunity to shoot one before you make your final decision. It may not be the right one for you but at least you will know that when it comes time to lay down your hard earned cash.
lyricsdad
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A friend of mine has the Glock 22, nice accurate pistol, he never ever cleans the thing, fires every time though. I have a Walther p99 which is German BTW. Nice pistol, has taken everything I have put through it.
Yeah the German pistol thing will make you a want another, but I assume the glock thing is the same lol. I am kinda scared to get a glock, because I think I may end up getting a bunch. Right now I am still waiting to hear on a sig....
Yeah the German pistol thing will make you a want another, but I assume the glock thing is the same lol. I am kinda scared to get a glock, because I think I may end up getting a bunch. Right now I am still waiting to hear on a sig....
gudel
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Overpriced says who? People who never own it?
Gentlemen, You get what you pay for.
Shouldn't Sig be be cheaper? The slide/barrel are made here in the US.
At least my HK made in germany everything, it justifies the cost because of import fees.
If you cannot afford it, you cannot say it's overpriced. it's not the gun's fault that you can't afford it.
I never blow up my Glock 22. Then again I'm not stupid using reload that some backwood hick was cooking up.
Local deputies here are issued USP40, you know, the same guys that raided Neverland. I asked one of them how he likes his USP40. The answer: Love it!
Get both the G22 and USP40.
caz223
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I was looking HARD at a CZ75 in brushed stainless when they first came out.
The only reason I didn't get one was the gun shop that had one in stock closed down....
I had a MAJOR itch for a bar-sto barrel for one to convert it to 357SIG!
No idea if they make 'em or not.
The most accurate .40 (Auto) that I've shot to date was the SIG 2340.
Had a 229, somewhat underwhelming.
Most accurate .40 of ANY I've shot is my S&W 610.
Haven't shot a 945 shorty fourty yet, though.
It's really hard to pick a loser out of that crowd.
HK/glock/SIG/CZ all make some sweet guns.
Personally, I'd stay away from the full size glock in .40, the smaller and midsize ones seem to be better, for some reason. (For me.)
The only reason I didn't get one was the gun shop that had one in stock closed down....
I had a MAJOR itch for a bar-sto barrel for one to convert it to 357SIG!
No idea if they make 'em or not.
The most accurate .40 (Auto) that I've shot to date was the SIG 2340.
Had a 229, somewhat underwhelming.
Most accurate .40 of ANY I've shot is my S&W 610.
Haven't shot a 945 shorty fourty yet, though.
It's really hard to pick a loser out of that crowd.
HK/glock/SIG/CZ all make some sweet guns.
Personally, I'd stay away from the full size glock in .40, the smaller and midsize ones seem to be better, for some reason. (For me.)
IZinterrogator
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The USP is the only one of the weapons that you named that was designed for the .40S&W. The other two are re-engineered 9mm pistols. If you're going to buy a .40, why not buy the one that was built for it?
I have the CZ 75B in .40 and can vouch for the fact that it is accurate and reliable. But I use it primarily as a range gun. If your intended use is at the range, I would recommend it highly. But if I wanted a CCW, I wouldn't hesitate on the HK USP Compact or the P2000, including the SK. No such thing as an overpriced carry gun.
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I've shot just about all of the HK USP variants and HATE them. They feel bad in my hand, feel funny in recoil, terrible sights, and just aren't what I want. I can afford them with no problem, but I wouldn't give half of what one costs to take it home.
The CZ-75 is a great gun, the only downside I can think of is weight as they are quite heavy. If you don't mind a heavy gun the CZ is a great choice.
I have a G22. I've shot it quite a bit, and have gotten pretty proficient with it. I still am not crazy about the grip shape but with some traction aids on it it works fine. The stock sights are junk and need replaced right away. Very reliable, and decently accurate for a service type gun.
Take a look at the XD and the Sig 229, I think they are worthy of consideration and one of them might just be THE gun for you.
The CZ-75 is a great gun, the only downside I can think of is weight as they are quite heavy. If you don't mind a heavy gun the CZ is a great choice.
I have a G22. I've shot it quite a bit, and have gotten pretty proficient with it. I still am not crazy about the grip shape but with some traction aids on it it works fine. The stock sights are junk and need replaced right away. Very reliable, and decently accurate for a service type gun.
Take a look at the XD and the Sig 229, I think they are worthy of consideration and one of them might just be THE gun for you.
JohnVF;
As you are probably aware, everyone has an opinion on everything, and there are no bad opinions on this post. I refer back to your original post, and encourage you to rent or borrow the guns you reference to draw your own conclusions.
My own opinion is that 9mm and / or .45 ACP are better overall choices for an all-purpose gun than .40 S&W, but in that caliber, I would choose my own CZ 75B, or the Sig P226 or P229 that I have had the opportunity to shoot on a few occaisions. If you want to shoot IDPA, my opinion is that the Glock 17 is the one to choose. My overall preferences for range guns would be my Sig P228 9mm (which I also carry) or my SW1911. Strictly my opinions, no better or worse than anybody elses.
As you are probably aware, everyone has an opinion on everything, and there are no bad opinions on this post. I refer back to your original post, and encourage you to rent or borrow the guns you reference to draw your own conclusions.
My own opinion is that 9mm and / or .45 ACP are better overall choices for an all-purpose gun than .40 S&W, but in that caliber, I would choose my own CZ 75B, or the Sig P226 or P229 that I have had the opportunity to shoot on a few occaisions. If you want to shoot IDPA, my opinion is that the Glock 17 is the one to choose. My overall preferences for range guns would be my Sig P228 9mm (which I also carry) or my SW1911. Strictly my opinions, no better or worse than anybody elses.
Ala Dan
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Having owned a G-23, G-27, and a SIG P229 all in .40S&W, I found that
I shot the G-27 better (tighter groups) than with the others. Furthermore,
the stout recoil of the factory .40S&W offering's caused the G-23 to
bounce around more than the G-27. And the SIG P229, was yet another
story as I couldn't see the factory SIG-LITE night sights while shooting
in bright sunshine; and it left a lot to be desired.
Probably, from your choices I go with either the Glock or one of the H&K
USP variants.
I shot the G-27 better (tighter groups) than with the others. Furthermore,
the stout recoil of the factory .40S&W offering's caused the G-23 to
bounce around more than the G-27. And the SIG P229, was yet another
story as I couldn't see the factory SIG-LITE night sights while shooting
in bright sunshine; and it left a lot to be desired.
Probably, from your choices I go with either the Glock or one of the H&K
USP variants.
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Of the three I have shot the GLOCK and the H&K. I personally owned and carried a GLOCK 22 for several years and this was by far the best semi-automatic handgun I have ever shot. I had 8-9000 rounds through it, mostly in LE firearms training i.e. lots of combat type shooting and general abuse of me and the gun. I never had a single malfunction of any kind. I have posted about this before but I saw problems with almost every H&K I shot or saw fired on the range. Mainly minor stuff due to lack of proper cleaning. I have no knowledge of the CZ.
My vote goes to the GLOCK model 22.
My vote goes to the GLOCK model 22.
brm3601
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I say GLOCK. I have one, shoot one, never had any real problems with my G22. Accurate, reliable, and easily carried all day long. Just my opinion though.
Chupacabra
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The best .40S&W is the one that shoots well for you. What works for someone else may not be your cup of tea. My stepdad really likes his Glock 23 and swears by it. I personally can't stand it and prefer the USP40 compact.
If possible, go to a range that rents out guns and try them all. Try everything from the sub-compacts to the fullsize models. Try the same gun in different calibers. Eventually you will find the weapon that fits you best.
Also, most of the major firearms manufacturers put out really good stuff. Glock, Sig, H&K, Ruger, CZ, S&W, Walther...all are pretty well built and reliable.
If possible, go to a range that rents out guns and try them all. Try everything from the sub-compacts to the fullsize models. Try the same gun in different calibers. Eventually you will find the weapon that fits you best.
Also, most of the major firearms manufacturers put out really good stuff. Glock, Sig, H&K, Ruger, CZ, S&W, Walther...all are pretty well built and reliable.
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Have you looked at a Springfield XD-40?
You can get one in 4" or 5" Tactical models. The 5 incher ought to be good for competition. I know of a whole XD shooters club here in Houston that shoots IPDA matches with 9mm and 40 caliber XDs exclusively.
I own a 4" XD-40 and have about 800 rounds through it and love it. Zero malfunctions from day one. I carry the thing all the time and I trust it to the ends of the earth.
Check them out, they fit the hand real well, are not expensive, have a better trigger and grip angle than the Glocks and have a lifetime warranty...whats not to like?
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You can get one in 4" or 5" Tactical models. The 5 incher ought to be good for competition. I know of a whole XD shooters club here in Houston that shoots IPDA matches with 9mm and 40 caliber XDs exclusively.
I own a 4" XD-40 and have about 800 rounds through it and love it. Zero malfunctions from day one. I carry the thing all the time and I trust it to the ends of the earth.
Check them out, they fit the hand real well, are not expensive, have a better trigger and grip angle than the Glocks and have a lifetime warranty...whats not to like?
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yayarx7
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For competition or range use you have to go with the CZ or the Glock (35). I shoot the CZ better, but YMMV. The Glock is more popular, more expensive and easier to find mags, holsters etc for. The CZ is heavier, has a better trigger (albeit long in double action), and is not a Glock.
Get the one you shoot best. If you cannot shoot them all get the one that feels the best in your hand.
Then get the other one.
Get the one you shoot best. If you cannot shoot them all get the one that feels the best in your hand.
Then get the other one.
JohnVF
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Thank you all for the input. I have fired a USP40 and the Glock 23. The USP's grip felt a bit uncomfortable (it was slipping while I shot) and had 3 misfires (Range Officer said it was dirty). Tried the same 3 ammos on the Glock and they fired. The Glock's grip felt better but it was the trigger I wasn't too happy with. I guess I am just used to a 1911 trigger pull. I will try the XD and the SIG.
I noticed not much commented on the CZ. I heard they have good trigger pull?
I noticed not much commented on the CZ. I heard they have good trigger pull?
mons meg
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The Steyr M series started out as .40s as well. Might not be a bad idea to check out the few remining CDNN M40s. You know Steyr...the "other" Austrian gun maker?
Vernal45
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Most major 1911 makers make a 40 cal. Springer makes some nice 40 cal 1911's, then next you can get a 10mm barrel and have 2 guns in one.
I have the H&K P2000 in .40 and would consider it one of the most ultimate tools for a .40 caliber defensive firearm...
It is pricey but you will get a no frills gun that will throw any .40 bullet out of the barrel. It is also has strong and durable as a tank....(It is a tool and thats it) What the H&K isnt is a sleek designed 1911 which is almost a work of art....
I also like the Glock 23 but have never fired one, only held it and pulled the trigger several times..
I would also like to have the Glock but I dont feel safe with there safe action trigger.... but a NEW York trigger would fix that problem.....drf
It is pricey but you will get a no frills gun that will throw any .40 bullet out of the barrel. It is also has strong and durable as a tank....(It is a tool and thats it) What the H&K isnt is a sleek designed 1911 which is almost a work of art....
I also like the Glock 23 but have never fired one, only held it and pulled the trigger several times..
I would also like to have the Glock but I dont feel safe with there safe action trigger.... but a NEW York trigger would fix that problem.....drf
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