What are the chances that Arnold vetos AB962

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I've been following this a little and am surprised it passed with all the pressure that calguns and some of the other organizations put on the politicians. Also what will this do to ammo prices in California, with internet sales banned ammo dealers can now charge whatever they wish.
 
The amazing thing I am finding is the number of casual shooters (actually make up the majority of shooters) who already think it is illegal to buy ammo through the internet. I don't think it will affect ammo prices much, but what it WILL affect is the availability of the uncommon calibers for collectors, milsurp, and owners of rare firearms. In my case the only thing it will mean is that I will have to obtain a COE to go along with my 03 FFL to continue internet purchases. The vast majority of people will probably be unaware of any change when they buy their annual box of ammo to hunt with or their one box of 9mm or .40 every six months. Those same people are unaware of SB962 or, when told about it, are apathetic. UNFORTUNATELY.
 
Maybe someday. If I were a prophet , I wouldn't be here. I'd be in Vegas or at a horse race.

OTOH, have you seen the state's budget lately? Cops are getting laid off. Although as the bill stands it will be perfectly legal to drive to Nevada and buy ammo. The old version has been pretty well gutted and is touted as a ban on internet sales. The old stuff about 50 round limits and new licenses has been struck from the final version. I think even if Arny signs this, there will be years of lawsuits over the bill violating interstate commerce and there will be resistance from local law enforcement regarding having to devote portions of their already inadequate budgets to enforcement.

The law is a nuisance, and another needle in the side, but the impact on the majority of shooters will probably be minimal.
 
Can't speak as far as bravery or cowardice. Not a mind reader either. But I think you are right. He will sit on it and let it pass. As a strategy it gives him the ability to say that he didn't sign it into law, but take the credit for it, depending on how his campaign staff wants him to lean. It looks like I will apply for COE. It's another fee and hassle, but I'll be exempt from some waiting periods, cash and carry from 01's on C & R, and exempt from 1 a month handguns and instant background checks on some purchases. I also found it's an argument killer with antis when you say "I'm a FEDERALLY LICENSED collector." For some reason it's like the government stamp of legitimacy. They figure you have been ordained as some kind of expert or authority. I guess then soon to be a FEDERALLY and STATE licensed collector.
 
I've been following this a little and am surprised it passed with all the pressure that calguns and some of the other organizations put on the politicians
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that is because in the peoples republic of California the politicians are the masters and the citizens the puppets who are supposed to do what they are told. so if the entire state, 100% of california had said no, the politicians would've still done the same thing. And that is what our politicians in D.C. are heading toward right now.
 
I've spread the word far and wide to anyone who would listen to contact Arnie.

I am amazed at the number of every-day folks who knew nothing about AB 962. Trust me, it will hit these folks like a ton of bricks when they realize they have to give ID and prints to but a box of 22's. They won't be a bunch of happy campers.
 
It'll probably pass, but we'll fight tooth and nail to get it repealed. I've written and done what I can but as was mentioned above, the soft tyranny will tread all over us anyway.
 
The prices of ammo will definately go up. First off it will change where ammo is available. Walmart is the one place that has decent ammo prices won't be selling ammo if there is fingerprinting involved. As an example, at walmart
a $50 box of 9mm is $90 at the local gun store chain. This is before the monopoly sets in where we have no other choice. This sucks. Mark
 
On the plus side, ammo will be more readily available to the rest of the states once this is in place. You guys in the Democratic Peoples Republic of California have the government you deserve. You're the ones that keep voting these idiots in.

I'm glad I moved from there 20 years ago. ;)
 
Arnold S has been vetoing every bill across his desk during the current buget crises. He will do (I hope) the same with this. The assembly and senate don't have the over-ride votes to nix the veto.
It won't hurt to call him and politely ask that he veto this.
The # is 916-445-2841
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If you want to help out, you don't have to live out here in the PRK to use a phone, and we could really use the help. And for those of you who are saying "you made your own mess" - I live up here in the northern, rural part of the state, in a shall issue county for CCW. It's a whole 'nother world up here, not at all the way it is in the large urban areas. The other thing to remember is that unfortunately laws that start here tend to get picked up in other parts of the country later.
The Governator's phone is 916-445 2841
Some talking points:
1. It is already illegal for persons prohibited from possessing firearms to recieve or possess ammunition.
2. AB962 creates an unfunded DOJ records keeping program, with a cost of $3.5 mil. There is nothing in the budget to pay for this program.
3. Local LEO are charged with enforcement. Many jurisdictions are having trouble finding funds to pay for day to day activities; they don't need or want another useless unenforceable law on the books.
 
Sniper what do you think the chances are that Kali authorities will stake out stores on the state line for large ammo purchases like NYC does around the 4th of July at the Pennsylvania fireworks stores.
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Zero.

It isn't buyers who are regulated by the bill, it's sellers.

What is likely, however, is that out of state sellers will not bother to learn the intricacies, and just not sell to CA. For example, the bill applies to handgun amunition, defined as
12060. As used in this article, the following terms apply:
(a) "Department" means the Department of Justice.
(b) "Handgun ammunition" means handgun ammunition as defined in
subdivision (a) of Section 12323, but excluding ammunition designed
and intended to be used in an "antique firearm" as defined in Section
921(a)(16) of Title 18 of the United States Code. Handgun ammunition
does not include blanks.
...

12323. As used in this chapter, the following definitions shall
apply:
(a) "Handgun ammunition" means ammunition principally for use in
pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed
upon the person, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 12001,
notwithstanding that the ammunition may also be used in some rifles.

...

12001. (a) (1) As used in this title, the terms "pistol,"
"revolver," and "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person"
shall apply to and include any device designed to be used as a
weapon, from which is expelled a projectile by the force of any
explosion, or other form of combustion, and that has a barrel less
than 16 inches in length. These terms also include any device that
has a barrel 16 inches or more in length which is designed to be
interchanged with a barrel less than 16 inches in length.
(2) As used in this title, the term "handgun" means any "pistol,"
"revolver," or "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person."
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(Rhetorical) Question: from reading the bill and the code I just posted, is .22 LR included as 'handgun ammunition'?

Your guess is as good as mine.

And I would not be at all surprised if a non-CA vendor decided this was all nonsense and we were not worth the pain.

It's certainly what the sponsors of the bill hope for.
 
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