What Are These Guns Worth

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  1. carbine85

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    My brother wants to sell me 3 German pistols and I need some idea of what they are worth.
    1st is a Luger P08, good shape with the dirty birds. Magazine doesn't match.
    2nd is a Random 35 in good shape with the dirty birds.
    3rd is a Mauser-Werke model HS .32 in good shape
    Can you guys give me a ballpark of what they are worth.
    I think he's making me a nice offer.
     
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    Pics would help alot, but assuming 90% condition-

    Luger (DWM or another common manufacurer), $1200 ish
    Wartime Radom $1500ish (more if its a nicely polished example made early in the occupation)
    Wartime HSc 600ish, more if its Luftwaffe marked
     
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    How do I date the Radom?
     
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    Pre-occupation guns are the most valuable, followed by the ones made just after the Germans reopened the plant with forced labor- these are easy to spot because they were still nicely finished, but had the added Waffenamts. As the war progressed, quality declined severly to the point where the guns were very roughly machined and barely finished. IIRC, the last occupation guns didnt even have thumb safeties fitted.

    Pretty sure that the consensus is that those last ditch guns are better left unfired due to questionable metallurgy.
     
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    Get lots of good pictures- I'm buying with my cov19 check.
     
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    Pics!
     
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    I'm working on the pictures.
     
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    These aren't the best but his is what I got.
    Mauser-Werke.JPG P08.JPG Radom 35.JPG
     
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    And 2 more Mauser Werke -2.JPG Radon 35 -2.JPG
     
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    The Mauser and Radom are both clean looking early/mid war - and I like Nightlord's price ranges as well.

    Photos of the Luger with dirty birds - waffenampts? - means it is either a Mauser or Kreighoff.

    More photos of the Luger - closer left and right side photos with one shot of the top - will help determine
    value estimates. Wood stocks - missing a chunk on the left side - likely means the pistol is a Mauser.

    And the P.08 marked frame means (matching?) it probably has a chamber marked BYF 41 or 42.
    My guess anyway.

    Nice looking guns, JT
     
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    You could be low on the Luger, need to see pics of the top, and the right side. Matching numbers on all parts is a big deal, matching magazine is icing on the cake.
     
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    Well, thats what the "ish" is for....;)

    Around here, WW2, 4" Lugers seem to be slow sellers. Of course, Gunbroker is nationwide, but at a local show I would expect to see that gun with $1200-1500 on the sticker. Matching numbers help, of course, with minor deductions for the mag and grips.

    To the right buyer, of course it could be worth more, but it sounds like the OP is trying to make a fair deal with his brother.
     
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    You'd be pressed to buy a mismatched Luger for $1000 in my experience. Heck VOPO renumbered guns are now "collectors". The Luger market is in a word, nuts.
     
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    If you offer him $3500 for the set, you will have done well for yourself, and been fair with him. BTW, that Radom looks great!
     
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    Here are a few more pictures. See what you think.
    Lugar: IMG_0742.jpeg IMG_0746.jpeg Lugar.jpeg
    Radom 35
    IMG_0739.jpeg IMG_0740.jpeg Radon 35 -2.JPG
     

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    And the Mauser Werke
    IMG_0729.jpeg IMG_0729.jpeg IMG_0731.jpeg IMG_0739.jpeg
     
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    Having Waffenamts on the HSC is a big deal, adds $100 at least to that.

    Byf is definitely a Mauser produced Luger, common, but very clean. Not sure whats goin on with the magazine, though. Still thinkin 1200, maybe a bit more on that one to the right buyer.

    Very nice guns, though my experience with the HSc is not a good one if you plan on shooting more than 3 rounds without clearing a jam. Supposedly, the .32s fair better than the .380s.

    So....are you going to buy them?
     
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    Yes, I'm going to buy them.
    I'll shoot them just so I can say I did. These will be the 1st Nazi guns in my collection.
     
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    NIGHTLORD40K is pretty much right on with the prices. I think that the VIS P35 might even be the top money gun of the three. All together they could be in a price range from $3400 to $3800. Be advised that original magazines for the P35 can be a bit pricey!
     
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    It definitely is the top money gun of the three. A fine collection you are getting, carbine85!
     
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    Well
    I saw a sad, heavily buffed and poorly nickel plated Radom at a gunshow last year with $450 on the sticker.

    I picked it up, played with it, then set it down and moved on, it was just too rough.

    As I stood at the next table a few feet off, I watched 3 more guys stop and perform the same ritual I had.........

    Felt so bad for that gun.:confused:

    Glad Carbine is going to give this one a good home!
     
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    Your Luger sadly has a broken grip and magazine bottom. Not all Luger grips were number matched to the guns (grips are easy to get) look on the insides of the grip panels for any markings.. Ditto for the magazine. If it's a bakelite bottom it might explain why it's damaged, as German bakelite of that era gets brittle over time.

    byf means its a Mauser made in 1941 or later, should be a year stamped above the chamber.
     
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