What can the new 6.8 Western do that others can't?

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None of the cartridges you listed are really good examples. Those are all moderately powerful cartridges that are fully capable at normal hunting ranges. But some guys want something with magnum capability.

There have been fast magnums in 25 caliber, 26, caliber, 28 caliber, 30 caliber and 33 caliber. But no one has ever developed a 27 caliber cartridge with magnum capability. Personally I don't get it either, but there are some guys who just love 27 caliber. The difference between a 26 and 27 caliber bullet, or a 27 vs 28 caliber bullet is splitting hairs. If I wanted a fast magnum I'd choose one in 26 or 28 caliber.

Part of the problem is that until just a couple of years ago no one made a 27 caliber bullet that was suitable. And then no one made a rifle barrel in 27 caliber that was twisted correctly to shoot those bullets. The 6.8 Western finally offers the 27 caliber fans something in a fast magnum cartridge.
 
None of the cartridges you listed are really good examples. Those are all moderately powerful cartridges that are fully capable at normal hunting ranges. But some guys want something with magnum capability.

There have been fast magnums in 25 caliber, 26, caliber, 28 caliber, 30 caliber and 33 caliber. But no one has ever developed a 27 caliber cartridge with magnum capability. Personally I don't get it either, but there are some guys who just love 27 caliber. The difference between a 26 and 27 caliber bullet, or a 27 vs 28 caliber bullet is splitting hairs. If I wanted a fast magnum I'd choose one in 26 or 28 caliber.

Part of the problem is that until just a couple of years ago no one made a 27 caliber bullet that was suitable. And then no one made a rifle barrel in 27 caliber that was twisted correctly to shoot those bullets. The 6.8 Western finally offers the 27 caliber fans something in a fast magnum cartridge.

But there is no reason under the sun to scrap your .308 or .270 Win. or your .300 Savage or .30-06 for one of these new Western babies just for novelty's sake if you have been putting venison in the freezer year after year with one of those American deer classics, is there? The novel 6.5 Creedmoor was not invented as a hunting cartridge. The .270 Winchester was never really paper target material. American hunters should learn to stalk their game closer, learn how to shoot and just choose a sensible loading for the American 20-something or 30-something classic their grandfather bagged deer for live-long days. No need to kill deer, marmot or moose with the metric system. .270 Winchester invented in 1925 has even taken big bull moose with one shot decisively. Choose a 130 gr. for 'lope on the open plains or a 150 grain for deer, elk and moose in the woods. No rocket science at all.

 
Why have a 30-06 then when you can hunt everything in North America with a 30-30? Just learn to stalk closer. Why put a scope on your rifle? Just learn to stalk closer

The Savage Model 99 lever action rifle was offered in calibers including: .30-06, .270, .300 Savage and .308. This gun had iron sights. Being a lever action, it was a woods gun for closer shooting. There also were two Husqvarna Models, 3000 and 3100 Crown Grade series, bolt actions for the American market offered in only .270, .308 and .30-06. They were built in Sweden between 1952 and 1972. They had iron sights, front bead hood and tapped holes for scope mounting. My grandfather had such a Husky in .308 and such a Savage in .300 Savage. There were his deer rifles. I can't think of any more classic, widely available and popular 20th century American deer calibers such as those four non-metric chamberings.

I bet at least 95% of American big game in centerfire-bottleneck cartridge-deer-rifle-legal states is still taken with any of these classics:

.270
.300 Savage
.308
.30-06

They all can take about anything in North America save for brown and polar bear. They all can take any African plains game. They all can take anything in Asia, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, South America, the British Isles, the West Indies and Central America. About the only thing in the world they won't touch is large dangerous game.
 
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Isn’t the real difference in the barrel twist rate?

the 270 win has a twist rate of 1 in 10 and the 6.8 is either 1 in 7.5 or 1 in 8.
This allows it to shoot heavier longer more aerodynamic bullets.
Yes basically. Many of these newer cartridges don't do anything that a fast twist deep throat custom chambering of the old calibers won't do. It's just that they are designed with that feature in mind.
 
This is an interesting conversation...at least while its still open...but it kind of highlights why I built a 6.5 Swede instead of a 6.5 Creed.

I wanted to. And...I wanted to be different from everyone else. My choice.

Everyone can build what they want or buy what they want...don't make snide comments about their choices folks. Its what kinda makes 'Murica great.

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Why have a 30-06 then when you can hunt everything in North America with a 30-30? Just learn to stalk closer. Why put a scope on your rifle? Just learn to stalk closer

There is a fella who does YouTube or TikTok "Be a Man" videos. Something too heavy, "Throw your back out, be a man." Your post reminded me of that. Made me chuckle.

Anyway, I have never owned owned a magnum. The 6.8 has me intrigued. I like the concept. The real problem is I can find very few of them for sale. I think this is actually a very well thought out cartridge. In my humble opinion.
 
Isn’t the real difference in the barrel twist rate?

No.

The cartridge does involve a faster twist, but it’s a considerably larger case than 270win, pushing a ~25grn heavier bullet to the same speed… you know, as in, how magnum cartridges tend to outperform standard cartridges all of the time…
 
Won't a 7mmRM do all these things a 6.8 Western will do? Barrel twist? Hmm, don't know about all this. 7mmRM been doing pretty damn good for lot of years with bullets up to 175gr.
6.8 Western is just another "fad" cartridge. Let's see how long it lasts.
 
Won't a 7mmRM do all these things a 6.8 Western will do?

The easy answer to this: “fit into a quarter pound lighter short action.”

If the 7RM is great, so must be the 6.8. They aren’t different enough to say one is great and one is worthless. Except 7rm kicks harder, eats more powder, and outruns the Western - as it should - it’s a larger cartridge.

______ is just another "fad" cartridge. Let's see how long it lasts.

This seems to be the slogan of the insufferable Boomer.

What makes these folks so naive to think anything is a “fad cartridge,”? When a guy can buy brass or ammo online for THOUSANDS of cartridges, drop shipped to their door in a day, not everything new is a “fad.” The 6.5 Creedmoor was a “fad” - but 12yrs later it has taken over as one of the top selling cartridges in the market. The Remington Ultra Magnums were a “fad” but 20yrs later, brass and ammo remain available. Was 375 win ever remotely popular? Why can I buy 38-55 ammo in inventory if it was never actually popular? 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel were a fad, but nearly 20 years later, they’re still being built, ammo made, and both selling well - with offshoot children cartridges for both also in the market. 300blk was a “fad.” The WSM’s and RSAUM’s were a fad, but guys are still building them, and more and more short action magnums hit the shelves every year, world records have been broken with WSM’s in recent years, guys win matches with other short magnums like 6.5 PRC and 7wsm every year still. Naive Boomers likely have never heard of the Sherman cartridges - but they’re being built and sold, and guys are taking game with them with smiles on their faces. Ruger safari magnums like 375 Ruger and 416 Ruger have been very well accepted and are even easy to source upon arrival in Africa if needed.

Maybe fads like Jheri curls, pink sport coats, and perms have faded into oblivion, but there aren’t many cartridges which truly become unsustainable, no matter how many Boomers throw the word “fad” around online.

I don’t have an interest in the Western, and have largely given up on sub-30 cal magnums, but this Boomer crap isn’t cute.
 
The easy answer to this: “fit into a quarter pound lighter short action.”

If the 7RM is great, so must be the 6.8. They aren’t different enough to say one is great and one is worthless. Except 7rm kicks harder, eats more powder, and outruns the Western - as it should - it’s a larger cartridge.



This seems to be the slogan of the insufferable Boomer.

What makes these folks so naive to think anything is a “fad cartridge,”? When a guy can buy brass or ammo online for THOUSANDS of cartridges, drop shipped to their door in a day, not everything new is a “fad.” The 6.5 Creedmoor was a “fad” - but 12yrs later it has taken over as one of the top selling cartridges in the market. The Remington Ultra Magnums were a “fad” but 20yrs later, brass and ammo remain available. Was 375 win ever remotely popular? Why can I buy 38-55 ammo in inventory if it was never actually popular? 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel were a fad, but nearly 20 years later, they’re still being built, ammo made, and both selling well - with offshoot children cartridges for both also in the market. 300blk was a “fad.” The WSM’s and RSAUM’s were a fad, but guys are still building them, and more and more short action magnums hit the shelves every year, world records have been broken with WSM’s in recent years, guys win matches with other short magnums like 6.5 PRC and 7wsm every year still. Naive Boomers likely have never heard of the Sherman cartridges - but they’re being built and sold, and guys are taking game with them with smiles on their faces. Ruger safari magnums like 375 Ruger and 416 Ruger have been very well accepted and are even easy to source upon arrival in Africa if needed.

Maybe fads like Jheri curls, pink sport coats, and perms have faded into oblivion, but there aren’t many cartridges which truly become unsustainable, no matter how many Boomers throw the word “fad” around online.

I don’t have an interest in the Western, and have largely given up on sub-30 cal magnums, but this Boomer crap isn’t cute.

All fine and dandy. If you don't have an interest in the Western, then what's the problem here? Like I said, let us see how long it will be around. All I'm saying.
 
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