What can you tell me about CZ?

[Walt Sherrill]

The CZ looks like a Browning Hi-Power, but it is NOTHING like the BHP internally. Absolutely different mechanisms. The appearance similarities are deceiving.

I've had a bunch, and still have several. I like'em. Like the BHP and Glock 34, too.

 

[Northslope Nimrod]

Another fan!

Love my CZ RAMI. I also love my Browning Hi-Power. I would agree that CZ is the best value out there.....(unless you're into Mil-surplus....then Makarov's are quite the value as well).
If I buy another 9mm.....it will be a CZ....no question. The CZ PCR or P-01 to be specific.

 

[ArmedBear]

CZ's are great.

I like the triggers for their intended purpose. They tend to be smooth, they work well, don't go off when unintended, and are easy to shoot small groups with, or shoot rapid fire with the whole magazine hitting center mass at 10 yards in my experience.

WRT surplus deals, pointability, etc., a late-date Walther P1 is a helluva gun for the money. Parkerizing-like finish on the steel, REALLY pointable, accurate, reliable. The only downside? 8-round magazines. Shoots regular old cheap 9mm, though, not 9x18 like the Mak. Otherwise, the Mak is a great little gun for cheap.

 

[Kestrel]

Is there any rhyme or reason to the slide stops breaking on the CZs? Has it been noted to be a certain serial number range or time-frame of manufacture?

I have a couple of the CZ-75 Military ('96) models and wonder if they will have that problem. Are the current productions slide stops any better?

Actually, I just remembered as I was typing. I was speaking to Mike at CZ one day and he said (with a sigh), "Yeah, the CZs still break slide stops..."

Thanks.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

In the one case I'm familiar with, the CZ in question broke several slide stops in a very short period. CZ replaced the gun without explanation. Several of us believe that the slide stop openings in the frame were slightly out of spec, such that the barrel slamming against the slide stop when the slide closes, put very concentrated pressure against too narrow an area on the stop.

(That's where the slide stop gets the force -- on the slide's return forward.)

I think other folks jack up the recoil spring weight in hopes of lowering frame battering when shooting hot ammo, and the slide slams forward so harshly, it's harder on the slide stop. (The best solution might be to raise the recoil spring weight a little, and the hammer spring a little, so that the force of the slide going forward isn't as heavy.)

 

[jashobeam]

Isn't 9mm cheaper than .45?

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Obviously, since I don't reload, the 75B SA will be more economical to shoot

Ummmm... I'm curious why you think that?

I haven't gone back to read my post, but my intended meaning was that the 75B would be more economical to shoot than the 97B because 9mm ammo is less expensive than .45. Am I mistaken?

I just want a very accurate pistol for as little money as possible. I figured the SA version of the 75B would be more accurate than the SA/DA versions because it has a Single Action only trigger. Is this not necessarily true?

The most accurate autoloader I've ever fired is the HK P7M(whatever #).

 

[Walt Sherrill]

No. The SA version of the 75B is not more accurate. Except for the triggers (shaped differently) and a lack of a disconnector in the SA model, the guns are identical internally. (The slides are slightly different, but there's no indication that THAT DIFFERENCE has anything to do with accuracy, as both have the same barrel and lockup mechanism.)

The SA version may be a little easier to shoot accurately, but it is not innately more accurate.

A good trigger job on the DA/SA version will give you the same practical accuracy, and it gives you the option of shooting in more than one division in the various gun games. There are a few gunsmiths who are good with CZs: Mike Eagleshield at CZ-USA and Jim Miossi at Miossi Gun Works immediately come to mind; these guys know CZs.

The only real advantage of the CZ-75B in SA of the DA/SA model, and it can be an advantage, is that the SA version can use an optional trigger that is adjustable for both take up and overtravel. That can be helpful if you're an above-average shooter, shooting competitively, and need to go fast.

You can modify the DA/SA trigger (or get another that adjusts for overtravel) to do some of that. The 85 Combat comes so equipped. You can also remove the disconnector and fit the optional SA trigger in the DA/SA gun and end up with almost the same gun.

Not all SA triggers seem better out of the box; most feel better. But that may really be as much the luck of the draw than anything -- as some DA/SA guns are quite good, and some are kinda grungy... Most "clean up" with use.

 

[Werewolf]

No. The SA version of the 75B is not more accurate

My 75B SA in .40S&W is way more accurate than my 75B 9mm. Don't know why but I shoot way better with it - way better. And that's shooting both in SA mode.

Except for the triggers (shaped differently) and a lack of a disconnector in the SA model, the guns are identical internally. (The slides are slightly different, but there's no indication that THAT DIFFERENCE has anything to do with accuracy, as both have the same barrel and lockup mechanism.)

The SA has a full length metal guide rod; the standard 75B does not. In addition in the SA model the magazines drop free. They don't do that in the standard 75B version without some modifications.

The SA version may be a little easier to shoot accurately, but it is not innately more accurate.

After the first shot they're identical and if like me you keep the pistol cocked and locked their identical even with the first shot. FWIW - I'm not a huge fan of DA semi-auto pistols especially on the CZ which has a very long pull.

There are a few gunsmiths who are good with CZs: Mike Eagleshield at CZ-USA and Jim Miossi at Miossi Gun Works immediately come to mind; these guys know CZs.

Could you post contact info for Jim or PM me.

Not all SA triggers seem better out of the box; most feel better. But that may really be as much the luck of the draw than anything -- as some DA/SA guns are quite good, and some are kinda grungy... Most "clean up" with use.

ON the two 75B SA's I've had experience with both feel a bit mushy compared to the standard 75B DA/SA trigger. In SA mode the SA/DA CZ trigger is actually a bit crisper in my experience but that's limited to owning one SA/DA and one SA and firing another guys SA on a number of occasions.

The CZ-75B is a fine weapon that I'd highly recommend to anyone but its trigger isn't one of it's best features (which is strange considering the very high quality of CZ Rifle triggers).

 

[Walt Sherrill]

Jim Miossi's website, with contact info, is

http://miossigunworks.com

The 75B SA in 9mm does not have the full-length guide rod. The slide is different than the DA/SA version, however -- with longer rails on the slide.

Only the .40 version has the FLGR -- and that's true for the DA/SA version, as well.

I got my 75B DA/SA in .40 used, but used lightly, without gunsmith work. The trigger is very good; just a little creep (that should eventually "wear out,") and no camming/lifting when shooting in SA mode.

(I have a 75B SA/DA in .40, and 9mm 75B SA, plus an 85 Combat, and a 75 Compact, and several clones... I've had a bunch of others, too, including a 75B Military, 97B, and 40B, several pre-Bs and several 85 Combats. All of them fine guns.)