heypete
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I think this picture says it all...
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I'm the schmuck in blue jeans, blue earmuffs, and the "peace through superior firepower" shirt.
The guy in the white shirt (Rob)is a licensed NFA manufacturer and dealer, and the other guy with the green shirt and jean shorts (Mike) is my NFA dealer. Mike is moving out of state, and so "referred" me to Rob in a fun-filled afternoon.
Everything seen is legal, and the MGs are either pre-86 samples [Mike's IMI Uzi], transferable [Mike's M16], or post-86 samples [Rob's Glock with happy switch he made and the other M16s]. Suppressors are a GemTech Mossad II on the Uzi, Yankee Hill Machine on the M16 I was shooting, and a brand I don't recall on the other.
Most of the shooting done that day was with suppressed .22s (my 16" 10/22, and the guy in the green's 8" SBR 10/22), but the full-auto stuff looks a bit better in video.
No Nemo fish were hurt during the making of this film...well, maybe a little. That suppressor was really freakin' hot and the fish made a good glove.
Note to self: bring oven mitts in the future.
The only malfunctions on the M16s were due to crappy magazines (Mike got a bunch for $3/each, and some were pretty badly beat up) and ammo (some of Rob's reloads had bad primers). No failures at all with Federal XM193, Winchester White Box (from an old Wal-Mart 40-round box), poly-coated Wolf, Remington UMC, or PMC. Mike's M16 is an Olympic Arms/Frankford Arsenal conversion with a Bushmaster upper. Rob's is a Cavalry Arms all-polymer lower with, I presume, post-86 auto bits. Rob also had a few other M16s, but I didn't catch the make.
Around 1pm, Rob left as he had some other commitments. Mike and I remained, chatted, and shot our 10/22s and his Uzi and M16 a bit more. About 4pm, we were plinking away with the 10/22s when a NFS Ranger pulls up in her Suburban. We place the guns down in the back of his pickup (though we did still have our holstered openly-carried pistols on), step away from the truck, keep our hands in plain view, and remain calm. She gets out of the Suburban and politely lets us know that they'd prefer if we didn't shoot here in the future as there's still some vegetation around; other shooting spots nearby were devoid of vegetation, and they'd like to keep environmental damage down where possible. We agreed, apologized for any inconvenience we may have caused, and assured her we would cease immediately, pick up our brass, and leave shortly thereafter.
She then asked "Who's got the auto?" Mike said it was his, that he was a dealer, and had his binder of paperwork in the cab of the truck if she'd like to ensure everything was in order. She said she'd take his word for it, and gave us some Smokey The Bear keychains, and bid us good day. Overall, a very pleasant experience.
We picked up our brass, a bunch of brass from previous shooters at the spot, and some trash that was left there. (I hate litterers!
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As we drove out of the forest about 20 minutes later, we saw her Suburban pulling up to another shooting spot (one of the "proper" ones where one wouldn't harm vegetation) to address the shooters there. One of the yutzes walked up to her with what looked like an M1A slung on his back. She sternly told him to put the rifle down before approaching, which he sheepishly did.
Mike and I were curious how far away she heard the unsuppressed automatic fire, so we waited until she was done, approached her before she got back into the Suburban (she recognized us and smiled), and asked. Turns out that M16 fire can be heard half a mile away in a Suburban on dirt roads with the windows up.
Other observations: Aguilla Super Colibri handles quite well out of a 16" and 8" barrel, and is freakishly quiet with the suppressor -- all you hear is the hammer dropping. The noise out of the suppressor was less than the movie-like "pew" noise, and sounded like someone quietly operating a Swingline stapler. CB Longs are similar in their quietness. Remington Subsonic, CCI Subsonic, and CCI Standard Velocity are also very quiet. Supersonic stuff leaves a distinct crack as the bullet travels through the air. Even .22LR supersonic stuff pleasant to shoot as long as you use the suppressor.
The Uzi with subsonic ammo is pretty quiet, making a lot of mechanical noise and a quiet "rat-a-tat-tat" sound. Supersonic 9mm ammo is above the threshold of pain and becomes unpleasant after a while, but it's far better than unsuppressed. Supersonic .223 is loud, even when suppressed, and hearing protection is advised for more than a few shots.
Now I have a really bad sunburn on my forearms and neck. I should bring sunscreen next time.
Click for a YouTube video (I wish vBulletin let folks embed YouTube videos).
I'm the schmuck in blue jeans, blue earmuffs, and the "peace through superior firepower" shirt.
The guy in the white shirt (Rob)is a licensed NFA manufacturer and dealer, and the other guy with the green shirt and jean shorts (Mike) is my NFA dealer. Mike is moving out of state, and so "referred" me to Rob in a fun-filled afternoon.
Everything seen is legal, and the MGs are either pre-86 samples [Mike's IMI Uzi], transferable [Mike's M16], or post-86 samples [Rob's Glock with happy switch he made and the other M16s]. Suppressors are a GemTech Mossad II on the Uzi, Yankee Hill Machine on the M16 I was shooting, and a brand I don't recall on the other.
Most of the shooting done that day was with suppressed .22s (my 16" 10/22, and the guy in the green's 8" SBR 10/22), but the full-auto stuff looks a bit better in video.
No Nemo fish were hurt during the making of this film...well, maybe a little. That suppressor was really freakin' hot and the fish made a good glove.
Note to self: bring oven mitts in the future.The only malfunctions on the M16s were due to crappy magazines (Mike got a bunch for $3/each, and some were pretty badly beat up) and ammo (some of Rob's reloads had bad primers). No failures at all with Federal XM193, Winchester White Box (from an old Wal-Mart 40-round box), poly-coated Wolf, Remington UMC, or PMC. Mike's M16 is an Olympic Arms/Frankford Arsenal conversion with a Bushmaster upper. Rob's is a Cavalry Arms all-polymer lower with, I presume, post-86 auto bits. Rob also had a few other M16s, but I didn't catch the make.
Around 1pm, Rob left as he had some other commitments. Mike and I remained, chatted, and shot our 10/22s and his Uzi and M16 a bit more. About 4pm, we were plinking away with the 10/22s when a NFS Ranger pulls up in her Suburban. We place the guns down in the back of his pickup (though we did still have our holstered openly-carried pistols on), step away from the truck, keep our hands in plain view, and remain calm. She gets out of the Suburban and politely lets us know that they'd prefer if we didn't shoot here in the future as there's still some vegetation around; other shooting spots nearby were devoid of vegetation, and they'd like to keep environmental damage down where possible. We agreed, apologized for any inconvenience we may have caused, and assured her we would cease immediately, pick up our brass, and leave shortly thereafter.
She then asked "Who's got the auto?" Mike said it was his, that he was a dealer, and had his binder of paperwork in the cab of the truck if she'd like to ensure everything was in order. She said she'd take his word for it, and gave us some Smokey The Bear keychains, and bid us good day. Overall, a very pleasant experience.
We picked up our brass, a bunch of brass from previous shooters at the spot, and some trash that was left there. (I hate litterers!
)As we drove out of the forest about 20 minutes later, we saw her Suburban pulling up to another shooting spot (one of the "proper" ones where one wouldn't harm vegetation) to address the shooters there. One of the yutzes walked up to her with what looked like an M1A slung on his back. She sternly told him to put the rifle down before approaching, which he sheepishly did.
Mike and I were curious how far away she heard the unsuppressed automatic fire, so we waited until she was done, approached her before she got back into the Suburban (she recognized us and smiled), and asked. Turns out that M16 fire can be heard half a mile away in a Suburban on dirt roads with the windows up.
Other observations: Aguilla Super Colibri handles quite well out of a 16" and 8" barrel, and is freakishly quiet with the suppressor -- all you hear is the hammer dropping. The noise out of the suppressor was less than the movie-like "pew" noise, and sounded like someone quietly operating a Swingline stapler. CB Longs are similar in their quietness. Remington Subsonic, CCI Subsonic, and CCI Standard Velocity are also very quiet. Supersonic stuff leaves a distinct crack as the bullet travels through the air. Even .22LR supersonic stuff pleasant to shoot as long as you use the suppressor.
The Uzi with subsonic ammo is pretty quiet, making a lot of mechanical noise and a quiet "rat-a-tat-tat" sound. Supersonic 9mm ammo is above the threshold of pain and becomes unpleasant after a while, but it's far better than unsuppressed. Supersonic .223 is loud, even when suppressed, and hearing protection is advised for more than a few shots.
Now I have a really bad sunburn on my forearms and neck. I should bring sunscreen next time.
Good thing I was the only person using the range at the time.
