What Do You Believe The Greatest Duty Revolver Was?
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tark
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Coolill. My nagant won't put a bullet through a two by four. Just because it was issued to thousands of troops who had access to nothing better doesn't make it great. There is a reason why the Russians went to the Tokarev. Due in large part to the fact it can rarely be reloaded on the same day it was emptied, unless a highly skilled and very fast operator is involved..... It was hands down one of the worst revolvers ever issued to anybodies military.
But you were only joking, right?
But you were only joking, right?
Panzerschwein
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Sorry, but there is a reason why these guns have been used for 121 years now.
They are excellent as a personal defense sidearm for the soldier and lawman, precision accuracy is not needed. Original milsurp 7.62x38mmR ammo is much hotter than the commercial target loads of today, and had plenty of stopping power for it's time.
tark
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Don't be so sure Mavracer! No revolver on earth shucks its empties and prepares itself for re-loading faster than a Webley. A lightning quick flip of the wrist does both. Takes less than half a second. And Webleys were issued with a speed loader that worked quite well.....
And my challenge was issued to Vern, who represented a Colt New service in 45 Colt. A speed reloading contest between that gun and a Webley would be no contest at all. Webley wins, hands down, every time.
Cooldill, I may not agree with you, but your opinion carries as much weight as any others. You do have a good point about longevity of service. And the Russian military ammo I have does seem to be hotter than that pathetic commercial stuff. At least it reliably penetrates a 2X4! But it seems to me that that horribly slow reloading process relegates the gun to more of a badge of authority than an actual fighting revolver.
But....to each his own.
And my challenge was issued to Vern, who represented a Colt New service in 45 Colt. A speed reloading contest between that gun and a Webley would be no contest at all. Webley wins, hands down, every time.
Cooldill, I may not agree with you, but your opinion carries as much weight as any others. You do have a good point about longevity of service. And the Russian military ammo I have does seem to be hotter than that pathetic commercial stuff. At least it reliably penetrates a 2X4! But it seems to me that that horribly slow reloading process relegates the gun to more of a badge of authority than an actual fighting revolver.
But....to each his own.
Panzerschwein
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You are right about that. It's been said that during WW2, the trusty Nagant revolver killed more Russians than it did German!
They were widely used to execute countless deserters and prisoners.
Vern Humphrey
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Dream on, M'lad, dream on.
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davidh5000
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I owned a model 1995 Nagant. I believe if I had been issued that, I would have only had it long enough to shoot somebody that had a better gun. Preferably a Walther P 38, a High Power, or even a Luger, but I think about any German gun was better.
GBExpat
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Hahaha ... I am sure that that is the way most (all but one?) of the M1895 Nagant owners here feel.
Vern Humphrey
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You might make the point that the Nagant is slightly better than a sharp stick.
Winston Churchill, who was no stranger to either combat or weapons, carried a C96 Mauser in the Omderman Campaign (and fired "two necessary shots" with it.
When he resigned from the Admiralty in WWI and went to France to join his regiment, he bought a Colt Government Model (same as the M1911) and carried that in France.
Ibmikey
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Model 19 4" .357. My first duty weapon and the best police duty pistol ever invented! Not at all opinionated.
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yes it is but its not a 2" m10, m14 target, 19/66 of any barrel length.
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In an environment where a sidearm is a badge of rank rather than a serious weapon of war, it may be better that a young lieutenant gets as weak a cartridge as possible in his pistol so as to discourage him from wandering off to do a private's job instead of his own. This is sometimes claimed to be the real reason the British switched from the .455 Webley to the .38/200, and a point in favor of the Nagant...
xXxplosive
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S&W Model 10 ....
fireman 9731
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The Nagant revolver certainly holds a place in history. However, comparing a Nagant to a S&W is an apples to oranges comparison.
There were entire battalions of Russians armed with nothing but Nagant revolvers and Molotov cocktails. They effectively held off the German blitzkrieg. Americans have faced them in Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, and now the Middle East. They are solid, dependable, and carry an extra round compared to traditional six shooters.
Worldwide, the Nagant might be in the running for a top 3 "service revolver" designation.
Narrow that down to the United States though and it would never even be mentioned.
There were entire battalions of Russians armed with nothing but Nagant revolvers and Molotov cocktails. They effectively held off the German blitzkrieg. Americans have faced them in Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, and now the Middle East. They are solid, dependable, and carry an extra round compared to traditional six shooters.
Worldwide, the Nagant might be in the running for a top 3 "service revolver" designation.
Narrow that down to the United States though and it would never even be mentioned.
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Vern Humphrey
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Napoleon's hemorrhoids hold a place in history, but I wouldn't recommend them for general issue.
tark
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That's a good parallel Vern. Most people would call the Nagant a pain in the .... never mind.....
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Gun Master
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Oh, oh - Vern, you opened a brand new can of worms.
Re : The 1895 Russian Nagant -
I have a "1941" Tula, and "1943 year of God" Izhevsk.
Sorry, not able to do pics.
Oh, oh - Vern, you opened a brand new can of worms.
Re : The 1895 Russian Nagant -
I have a "1941" Tula, and "1943 year of God" Izhevsk.
Sorry, not able to do pics.
Gun Master
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Tark, what year and city of manufacture ?
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Gun Master
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fireman, the 1895 Russian Nagant profile has a definite S&W Model 10 look, but I don't know how or if it (1895) influenced the design. It has the old "hang over" method of ejection that the "frontier" revolvers had in the late 1800's. Still it has an honorable place in history.
Also, think of the unique attempt to conserve power in the "gap gas seal".
If "greatest" means widely distributed, it leaves it in the running. Besides Russia -
Poland, Greece, Norway, and Sweden also adopted Nagant design revolvers.
Also, think of the unique attempt to conserve power in the "gap gas seal".
If "greatest" means widely distributed, it leaves it in the running. Besides Russia -
Poland, Greece, Norway, and Sweden also adopted Nagant design revolvers.
Vern Humphrey
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For those who are not students of history, Napoleon had bad hemorrhoids -- so bad that at Waterloo, he had to have leeches put on them twice. Some people say that distracted him from fighting the battle.
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