What do you consider rapid fire?

[The Deer Hunter]

So the range i go to doesnt allow rapid firing. The only problem is that "rapid firing" isnt defined in the rules. So what do you consider rapid fire?

I think its dumb that rapid fire isnt allowed. At a meeting some condesending, arrogant jerk just had to state that it makes people nervous, i dont see the logic. BTW, i dont think he's arrogant because of that.

 

[George S.]

At my club, we are not allowed to fire faster than one round per second whether or not it's the pistol or rifle range. And the range is in the middle of a large residential area. But the club is over 100 years old.

 

[Outlaws]

Because some people can't shoot straight. Yes, believe it or not, some poeple will shoot the cieling and the floor or the wall and who knows where else. Same reason lots of ranges don't allow people to practice drawing from a holster.

If you shoot consistantly as your pistol falls back onto the target after recoiling, most won't give you any grief. Its pulling the trigger as fast as you can than they don't seem to like. (I admit it is ironic though that the same ranges will rent FA to us)

 

[quatin]

The safety instructor at the range I joined explained it in a pretty easy to take way. Rapid fire is when you shoot fast enough that you can't control where you are aiming. As long as you can line up the target with your sights, you can shoot.

*Edit Meaning it's different for every person.

 

[mindwip]

At the range i go to they say you must wait 3 secs for each shot. But most poeple will fire about 1 sec per shot and not get yelled at. Only saw one group get yelled at and they were shooting faster then 1 per sec and did not show a lot of respect.

 

[RevolvingCylinder]

I see the people with .22's get the most harrassment for it in the ranges that have such ridiculous rules. I don't know of anyone who can't control a .22lr.

 

[GunnySkox]

The way I do it at the indoor range I go to is just to take a deep breath between shots.

At the national forest range, "rapid firing" for me is shooting as soon as I think the sights are back on target.

~GnSx

 

[TexasRifleman]

I got yelled at for going "too fast" with my AR once, 2 maybe 3 shots per second in short bursts.

RO freaked out began to read me the riot act.

I asked him to accompany me to the target. All shots were within a 6 inch circle so he kinda backed off then more politely asked me to slow down as it "made some of the deer hunter types nervous."

So as mentioned, I guess it's personal or "range rules".

I am sure the ranges get all kinds of folks doing all kinds of stupid things.

I decided in the future to talk to the RO first, explain what I wanted to do and ask if it was OK. I have yet to have one say no.

 

[kungfuhippie]

The pistol range I go to doesn't allow rapid fire but does allow double taps. I tried that today, first time trying on a pistol. I have emptied the whole mag before (out in the desert where there are no rapid fire rules) but mostly take slow, well aimed shots with the pistol. I figure that taking time aiming gives my muscle memory more time to learn so in a defense situation I'll hit the BG with less effort. If it works I'll let you all know

I saw that the double tap shots gave me two holes about 2" apart at 30 feet, first shot below the second. As long as the first was well placed the second was too. Of course the next thing the RO said after the double tap rule was that if you shoot the cables/mechanism it's $40 and he'll be really PO'd at you.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

I hate rules like that. I will usually start with new loads or a new gun by seeing how accurate it is, which means slow firing, but I also like to run some defensive drills. They might as well yell "Don't train for realistic situations!!!" I kind of doubt most people being attacked have time to retrive their pistol from a bench, gently slide a mag in, rack the slide, get in the isosceles stance, "is that my cell phone ringing?...no", ok, extend arms, aim carefully, and squeeze off a round. Didn't go down, ok, take a few more breaths, wait 3 seconds, squeeze off another.
That said, if I'm trying to sight in my deer gun I don't appreciate a brass shower or the concussion of a 10" AR15 going full rock-n-roll in the next lane. Oh well.
Oh, to answer your question, I consider rapid fire 6000 rounds per minute

 

[Walkalong]

I am sure the ranges get all kinds of folks doing all kinds of stupid things.

Rules are not made for those that can, they are made for those that can't, or have no sense. We are just restricted by them. Not just in shooting.
I am fortunate here. I can shoot as fast as I like. Just keep em in the berm. No problem. I don't shoot faster than I can control. You know, that having some sense thing.

 

[Art Eatman]

Maybe you could post a bond against any damage to the lights, the target frames, and also, possibly, contribute to their liability-insurance-premium fund?

The problem is that these folks who pay way too much money in such overhead don't realize the number of IPSC/IDPA Top Guns who are on the firing line. They're unaware of the extremely high competency of those of us of THR.

The real deal is that we're all stuck with rules that derive from the Lowest Common Denominators who take part in the shooting sports.

Hey, you can always take your own money and build your own range.

, Art

 

[kungfuhippie]

ART,
great points. Ranges, especially around here in PRK, take a lot of flak and have high opperating costs for what they are due to insurance and mall ninjas shooting the lights down and the cables off. Imagine the news reports if a noob rapid fired and shot someone! I like to go shooting where there arn't alot of people I don't know/trust. Being around idiots is one thing, being around idiots with guns is another. Range rules are to protect the idiots from lawsuits from the family members of the accidentially shot/killed people.

Go rapid fire in the boonies on gov't land before they make that illegal.

 

[Wedge]

My range has the 1 shot per second rule.

I have shot faster than that and the RO came over to investigate but only a 2" ragged hole in the center of the target existed so he didn't say anything. My wife, who finally came with me to the range yesterday, was impressed and realized that, YES, when I say I am going to the range I actually am...

I did slow down a little though after he walked over.

 

[El Tejon]

I thought it was illegal to shoot on government land under the R-R ban?

 

[Jim March]

If there are more than three shells in the air at one time, you might be rapid firing.

 

[Ivy Mike]

at one of the local ranges, rapid fire is more than one shot every three seconds. Not surprisingly, I never go there. In fact, I prefer to avoid indoor ranges completely. I'm sure there is a better one in town, but just a short drive up the freeway and I'm in free, open country with not a soul around and a "range" that extends beyond the useful range of any rifle I own.

I don't think I could be convinced to go to an indoor range anymore unless its to requalify for my permit or take other training.

 

[MechAg94]

The range I belong to focuses more on the control aspect. I believe they mentioned 1 round per second in the orientation, but they talked much more about controlling where the bullet goes. A bullet hitting the ground in front of the target can deflect above the berm as much as a high shot.

 

[Headless]

Sounds like it's more of a problem with indoor ranges which makes sense given the remarks about destroying the wiring etc.

I've gone out and emptied my .22LR 10rnd mag as fast as i possibly could @ 20yards and still had all 10 in the 4" shoot-n-c. Then, just because i can, i loaded another 10-round mag and emptied that one as fast as i could too. Nobody even looked my way. Then again, there were some folks with some FA guns out there too Quite often FA suppressed Sten gun for the win!

 

[kungfuhippie]

el tejon,
unless I missed something (I can be pretty dense at times)...
I ment BLM land, you can hunt, shoot and have all sorts of fun on it. Just remember to pick up your targets/trash/etc.

 

[Trebor]

In the context of your question, I usually see "rapid fire" defined as:

1 shot every 1 second

or

1 shot every 3 seconds.

YMMV.

I have also found that the rules tend to be relaxed after the range staff knows you a little better and you've shown you aren't going to hit the lights, ceiling, etc. They may still enforce them against you though just to keep other shooters from thinking it's OK.

 

[dave_pro2a]

Full auto, as opposed to semi auto

 

[bg]

Bob Munden..

 

[foghornl]

Anything slower than 240 RPM is NOT rapid fire...


/////Wise N. Heimer mode off

 

[Keith Wheeler]

"made some of the deer hunter types nervous."

That is so incredibly sad.