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Right, the range I was a member of in my area put it this simple way when the subject was brought up. If you are not hitting your target, then don't do it. If you are hitting your target, then end of subject.
What do you consider rapid fire?
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sargenv
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I can speak for myself.. I can draw my 610 in about 1.5 secs (first shot) and empty all 6 rounds into an IPSC target at 10 yards in under 2.5 secs. Splits are about .20 - .24, but then I have about a half inch of trigger travel. Not bad for a lowly B IPSC/ICORE shooter. Jerry M can do the same drill with splits of about .14 secs.
Related story... Jerry was at our range holding a class.. He fired 8 shots pretty quick. One of the guys at the range shack asked "who's shooting a auto on Bay 5?". Of course he later found out no one was shooting an auto pistol.
It was Jerry. 
So that's what I consider rapid fire.. ymmv.
Vince
Related story... Jerry was at our range holding a class.. He fired 8 shots pretty quick. One of the guys at the range shack asked "who's shooting a auto on Bay 5?". Of course he later found out no one was shooting an auto pistol.
It was Jerry. So that's what I consider rapid fire.. ymmv.
Vince
DoubleTapDrew
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Maybe we can do an informal poll and the people who have rapid fire restrictions can ask their ranges if it's a 'courtesy for other shooters' issue or a 'hit everything but the target' issue.
kungfuhippie
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'hit everything but the target' is the issue most places IMHO. My range guy said he is sick of staying late fixing things cause "dingus" shot it down. He allows double taps and doesn't put a time rule on what is rapid fire. But he'll throw you out if your just emptying mags as fast as possible. He's explained that people should get compfortable with shooting in a realistic manner. Spray and pray is not his idea of realistic shooting mannerisms.
The range where I usually shoot (my buddy is a memmer, but I'm not, but he brings me as a "guest"---saves me membership dues!) says no rapid fire.
When we inquired as to exactly what "rapid fire" was we were told, "basically one shot per second". We've exceeded it (but it was still aimed fire, re-acquiring the target between shots) and never been given a hard time, but we often shoot on weekdays when the isn't an RO on duty, and often no one else shooting.
If I wanna play with "bump fire" (can't seem to get the hang of it) of really rapid shooting I shoot out back in my woods...Just there's alot of brush and junk, so we go to the range to fire at known distances, and fire off a solid rest (bench).
When we inquired as to exactly what "rapid fire" was we were told, "basically one shot per second". We've exceeded it (but it was still aimed fire, re-acquiring the target between shots) and never been given a hard time, but we often shoot on weekdays when the isn't an RO on duty, and often no one else shooting.
If I wanna play with "bump fire" (can't seem to get the hang of it) of really rapid shooting I shoot out back in my woods...Just there's alot of brush and junk, so we go to the range to fire at known distances, and fire off a solid rest (bench).
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All of the indoor ranges in my area (Los Angeles/Orange County) have "one shot per second" rules, primarily because L.A./O.C. is home to a lot of, well, jackasses with guns. When the "gangstas" show up with pants around knees and pistols held sideways, everyone gets nervous, especially when the ceiling and walls start taking abuse.
My experience has been that once you get to know the range officers and demonstrate that you are not a jackass, they tend to let you break the rules. At least the stupid rules, anyway.
My experience has been that once you get to know the range officers and demonstrate that you are not a jackass, they tend to let you break the rules. At least the stupid rules, anyway.
Nio
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Anything faster than four shots a second.
At least that's my definition.
My range has the same rule, but I generally don't get called on it unless the lanes are full. I do my rapid fire drills ('dumping the gun') at the end of my sessions, and the range guys have gotten used to the idea that once I go through three magazines that I'm done anyway and so they leave me be. I hit everything I'm shootin' at anyway.
Nio
At least that's my definition.
My range has the same rule, but I generally don't get called on it unless the lanes are full. I do my rapid fire drills ('dumping the gun') at the end of my sessions, and the range guys have gotten used to the idea that once I go through three magazines that I'm done anyway and so they leave me be. I hit everything I'm shootin' at anyway.
Nio
No such rules at the outdoor range I'm a member of. I was there just earlier today (picked up a Daewoo DR200 to play with!). I rarely fire fast, I'd rather hit what I'm shooting at, but 1 round per second isn't really that fast. 3 or 4 benches down from me were two guys with a couple of AR's and a couple of Glocks pulling their triggers as fast as they humanly could (and leaving their brass for me!). Our range masters are tough, but there are no rules about rapid fire. Fire as fast as you want as long as you don't break the safety rules, it's your ammo and your money. An hour after they left someone who builds full automatic weapons (legally for police and other lawful use) showed up with a couple he just finished to test. An MP5 clone and an AK74. He must have had 20 loaded mags for each weapon. He didn't even bother putting a target out, just sprayed the berms. He was obviously conversant with full auto fire and other than annoying nearby shooters with streams of hot brass he was totally safe. I've seen him out there before, he's a nice guy and if you express an interest he'll often say "Want to give it a try?". The couple of times he's asked me I've been quick to accept.
But that's on a weekday. Go out there on a weekend day and you'll see no full auto and the range masters are much more strict. But considering how crowded it is on weekends I don't see that they have much choice. But there's still no rule against rapid fire.
But that's on a weekday. Go out there on a weekend day and you'll see no full auto and the range masters are much more strict. But considering how crowded it is on weekends I don't see that they have much choice. But there's still no rule against rapid fire.
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