Why no rapid fire at the range I go to
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Jorg Nysgerrig
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I suspect it is because when people miss the headshots, they sometimes hit the target holder.
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Because most people who do "rapid fire" just empty the magazine as quickly as possible without any type of control - basically an immature, "gangsta" style "pop off."
Then there are people who practice double and triple taps, or other types of controlled rapid fire.
The two are very different, but the rule is for the first group of people who generally hit the roof, walls, other people's targets, and everything in between with their ridiculous antics.
Then there are people who practice double and triple taps, or other types of controlled rapid fire.
The two are very different, but the rule is for the first group of people who generally hit the roof, walls, other people's targets, and everything in between with their ridiculous antics.
We allow it IF they have the license to own and shoot an automatic weapon. (Class III I think). If they're a new shooter and have all their paperwork in order we put them in one of the unused bays with an RO. If they show they can handle the weapon we move them to one of the public slots, usually a couple of bays away from the other shooters. So far we've had no problems at all.
And for skeptics. You don't need to have a full auto to be stupid. Idiots with AK's seem to be the worse offenders, (I've watched a few stitch rounds right over the top of the 14' backstop), then handgunners.
And for skeptics. You don't need to have a full auto to be stupid. Idiots with AK's seem to be the worse offenders, (I've watched a few stitch rounds right over the top of the 14' backstop), then handgunners.
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That's pretty common. Range rules are why I have a 100 yard bak stop behind my house. I do like to go the range from time to time, more as a social event than anything. Sometime I get lonely.
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Be glad, one of the outdoor ranges in my area have a "single load" rule. That means one round in the weapon at any time. If a range officer sees you loading extra rounds without explicit permission (functionality check), then you're out. This is because of various legal reasons that sprouted from people failing to control their firearms.
You can learn to double-tap with minimal risk, but it's a matter of baby-steps. The indoor range I like going to does allow two round bursts, but if any rounds get close to the mechanism that pulls the targets in and out....you're going to be requested to single-fire for the remainder of the session.
In the end it's usually for safety reasons, liability reasons or to prevent damage to range equipment.
You can learn to double-tap with minimal risk, but it's a matter of baby-steps. The indoor range I like going to does allow two round bursts, but if any rounds get close to the mechanism that pulls the targets in and out....you're going to be requested to single-fire for the remainder of the session.
In the end it's usually for safety reasons, liability reasons or to prevent damage to range equipment.
I find all of this astounding. It's not that I don't question people's ability to be complete imbeciles, but single loads and baby steps to learn to double tap? I guess some people truly are that stupid.
For range owners and RO's that have to put up with this nonsense, you have my complete respect and admiration. I wouldn't have the patience to deal with these people.
For range owners and RO's that have to put up with this nonsense, you have my complete respect and admiration. I wouldn't have the patience to deal with these people.
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There is no such thing as a "license" to own and shoot a fully automatic weapon. It's a tax stamp. A Class 3 SOT is required to sell full auto weapons and other restricted devices (Title 2.)
I'm assuming you're saying, "no rapid fire at our range unless it's a legally owned machine gun." If it is a machine gun, you give them a more private bench away from the other shooters. Why not do this for anybody who proclaims that they want to practice double/triple-taps? It's just as legal.
On the subject of oddities - There's one range near me that doesn't allow canned weapons. Go figure that one out.
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Talk to your range master. Local indoor range here doesn't mind rapid fire on the pistol range, but their official stance is “no drawing from holster.” When I started going there I explained to the range master what I would like to do (draw from concealment), and why, and that my interest was in operating safely so that I might hone a set of skills I hoped I would never need. He and the range manager said okay and that was that. Well, except for the admonition to not practice thataway whenever the busload of Japanese tourists showed up.
That said, there a bunch bullet holes in the ceiling baffles at the firing line and down range, and some of the quickie cap busters seem to have a devil of a time keeping rounds on great big pieces of paper too far away from them (B27, 7 yards). Might be a connection between them and some of those holes in the ceiling. Similar reasons may explain your own range's rules.
mustang_steve
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Yeah, the rules are annoying as hell, but the rules are what they are...in part because someone either caused a legal/insurance incident or broke something.
In the case of the place that has issues with the inexperienced practicing double-tapping...it's because they often damage the target clip or the track that it's attatched to (usually by practicing at way too far a range..practice DTs closer than you would do single aimed shots, then go further as you get better...nobody can DT the first time anywhere near what they can do carefully aimed shots at).
Keep in mind the only publicly availible outdoor ranges here is the single-load place (I won't shoot there...I agree, it's ridiculous) and a skeet shooting facility (shotguns only).
Five-O
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No, I just miss the times I could. It's been a few years since I was a cop (3 departments) and once in a while I get that urge to fire away. btw, we have a *mountain* for a bern at the county range where I go. And the nearest resident is about 5 or 6 miles away.
I always thought the strict rules here was simply because it's *California*:banghead:
Any Utahans here know of a range in the Orem-Provo area that allows rapid fire? Utah, being a gun friendly state, might have rules that are not so strict as they are in CA, I would think.
Ben Shepherd
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The range I RO at that I mentioned previously? The Provo city range up Provo canyon.
The general theory of our staff is pretty much if it's legal, and you're not being stupid, have at it.
The general theory of our staff is pretty much if it's legal, and you're not being stupid, have at it.
oneounceload
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Go find yourself a nice piece of BLM land not near houses and do whatever you want. Did that in NV all the time - was no big deal
DHJenkins
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Our range's "no rapid fire" policy is slightly different. You can only fire as fast as you can reliably hit the target. For some people, that's once every 3 seconds, for others it's much, much faster.
M2 Carbine
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The last time, and it is the last time, I went to a commercial range I was told no rapid fire. I was shooting about a round in two seconds.
I understand their rules have to take into account the worst shooters but I'm not spending my money to practice shooting like the worst shooters.
On my range the shooters must follow only two rules (other than normal safety of course).
1. Under no circumstances are you to miss the backstop.
2. Under no circumstances are you to shoot me.
Other than that, let's see what you got.
I understand their rules have to take into account the worst shooters but I'm not spending my money to practice shooting like the worst shooters.
On my range the shooters must follow only two rules (other than normal safety of course).
1. Under no circumstances are you to miss the backstop.
2. Under no circumstances are you to shoot me.
Other than that, let's see what you got.
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