What do you pay for a FFL transfer??

[dogtown tom]

rcmodel My FFL charges $5.00 bucks.

He used to do it free, but the ATF said he had to show a profit to renew his licence he has held for 45 years.
So he started charging five bucks..

Huh?

1. ATF has no authority to tell an FFL what can or cannot be charged for a transfer. There is no ATF regulation that requires the FFL to make a certain profit, only that the licensee be engaged in the business of dealing in firearms. When the ATF Industry Operations Investigator comes for a compliance inspection he doesn't look at my bound book and ask "sooo......how much money did you make this year???" He wants to see entries in my bound book, the more the better. Bound book entries= engaged in the business of dealing in firearms.

2. ATF can view my bound book, 4473's and check my inventory during a compliance inspection. Anything else (such as financial records) would require a warrant.

 

[docpadds]

Bound book entries= engaged in the business of dealing in firearms.

Preferably to people other then yourself

But as the man says there is a limit on what they can look at and a bound book with a matching stack of 4473s to different people is all the evidence they can gather without involving a warrant.

There is absolutely no minimum bar you have to get over.

 

[freakshow10mm]

I charge $20 for Title I and $100 for Title II.

 

[jerico34]

FFL Transfer Fees

gunbroker.com has a link on their website where you can enter your ZIP code and obtain a long list of FFL holders in your area. It gives their address, phone number, and the amount they charge to transfer.

I found one there that is about 6 miles from my home and charges only $10. Transfer fee at the range I normally go to is $50. Another range a little further away charges $25. Soooooooo, shop around!

 

[Landpimp]

I dont pay anything and have not for years(even before working at the shop), but we do charge $40 for transfers and typicaly its not something we do often.

after doing 400 or so transfers for the WSP Tropers(they are buying their HK's back) and another 500 coming(this is a 3+ month deal), I can tell you its a good bit of work....I hope to never see that much paper again! heck I got out of the pile-o-paperwork job....I just want to sell guns, I hate paper. We are charging but we have to drive all over WA to do them, its really more of a curticy to the WSP than a money maker. Spending a week on the dry side of WA at a time gets OLD fast, or having to be at one end or the other of the wet side at 8am every darn day). We have to transfer them as each batch of troopers get their new M&P's......so 20-30 at a time

 

[stchman]

My FFL charges $20 for ANY firearm.

I like it when some shops charge more for "assault" rifles. Yes, because the 4473 is SO different for an AK than for a duck hunting shotgun.

 

[kennjen]

Makes me mad...

......to see that I'm in the less than 2% of the population that pays 50$ ~ $100 for a Xfer.

Around Rockland county, NY (stone throw away from NYC) they charge arm and a leg. Drive up few hours and FFL xfer costs go way down.

Ken.

P.S. We need a good gun shop in rockland.

 

[GreySmoke2]

$30.00 My FFL is a retired LEO who does it full time out of his home. Great guy by the way, if anyone needs one in ChiBurbia, PM me for his info. He is in Aurora, IL.

 

[dogtown tom]

Landpimp: ...We are charging but we have to drive all over WA to do them, its really more of a curticy to the WSP than a money maker. Spending a week on the dry side of WA at a time gets OLD fast, or having to be at one end or the other of the wet side at 8am every darn day). We have to transfer them as each batch of troopers get their new M&P's......so 20-30 at a time

Your driving around the state of Washington doing firearm transfers?

You are in violation of Federal law if you are doing transfers at a location other than your licensed premises or at a gun show.

Please tell me ATF okayed this.

 

[Tacbandit]

$30-$50...previously, as that's the going rate. However, I recently found a guy that does it for free...

 

[DammitBoy]

$15 is what my gun/pawn shop charges.

Others in town charge more, so they don't get my business.

 

[MinnMooney]

Check at your local range

I just found a member at my range that will transfer for $5 as long as you're also a member and belong to the NRA.

 

[Acera]

My local range hates internet sales, Gunbroker, CDNN, etc. They feel it's competition and make it unreasonably expensive to use them for a transfer. Don't get them started on gun shows!

If I had a store front, I would try to incorporate that into my business with prices that would bring people into my store. Free transfers with a designated purchase, etc.

 

[MinnMooney]

from acera ; (post #38) :

My local range hates internet sales, Gunbroker, CDNN, etc

Bummer.

Almost every shooter in our benchrest competition league and the F-Class competitors that I shoot with buy many (if not most) items through GunBroker.com, Bud'sGunShop.com, Graf's, MidwayUSA, MidsouthShootersSuppy and other very reputable auctions and internet sale outfits.

We have several gunsmith and non-gunsmith FFL holders who happily do transfers for all club members. They feel that in-fighting, name calling and derogatory remarks aimed at others in the gun owning crowd do very little for the sport and only help to solidify the antis. Any help that they can provide to like minded folks is a good thing.

 

[ozarkgunner]

I'm not sure what kind of FFL fee you guys are talking about. The only fees I have found involve class III fire arms. For a new weapon it's $300 total, $200 to the ATF and a $100 to the dealer. A weapn that has already been registered as a class III and fee paid, such as buying one at a gun show or such, is $5 bucks for the transfer. All the weapons I have bought from a dealer have had no additional fees. Just price of the weapon plus sales tax.
Feel free to correct that if I am wrong

 

[dogtown tom]

ozarkgunner:The only fees I have found involve class III fire arms. For a new weapon it's $300 total, $200 to the ATF and a $100 to the dealer.

The $100 you pay to your dealer is his transfer fee.

A weapn that has already been registered as a class III and fee paid, such as buying one at a gun show or such, is $5 bucks for the transfer.

I hope you're kidding.

All the weapons I have bought from a dealer have had no additional fees. Just price of the weapon plus sales tax.
Feel free to correct that if I am wrong

Have you ever bought from a seller on GunBroker, a gun forum like this one or other internet retailer? If you have, it should have been shipped to an FFL where he would have charged you a fee for the transfer.






.

 

[ozarkgunner]

I've bought all my guns in person. A variable "transfer" fee is just a way for a "dealer" to make extra money off you. I'm aware that the $100 for the class III is the dealers "transfer fee" but that is the only one that I am aware of.
You can look for your self, but that is what I have found at the class III retailers I have looked at. They have all been on-line, and will only ship to another FFL dealer. I don't know what those dealers would charge. And thats bull in my view. Aside from already being marked up from who ever you are buying from, for them to add a "transfer fee" is just another way for them to get more money from you.
I will not be buying a weapon if there is another "transfer fee" involved. I'll pay shipping, tax, and the price of the gun, but not another "fee" just because they make a sale. That's like the BS "destination fee" you would pay to a car dealer for a new car. Which by the way, I have not paid. And will not if some one wants to make a sale. And it will be the same with any new gun purchase I make. And should I make an internet purchase, I will surely use some one that is not going to gouge me just because they happen to be a "middle man" I am forced to use. $10 to $20 sounds resonable, but I'm not jonesing that bad for something to have to pay more for what I am buying, just because someone get to touch it and watch me sign a piece of paper and have him send it off for me. Just another way to get ripped off, and the Feds set it up. Think about it. It's like getting a smog check/test in California. Shops charge up to $70 bucks, and the state on gets, I should say charges, $12 or so, it's been a while.

 

[dogtown tom]

ozarkgunner I've bought all my guns in person. A variable "transfer" fee is just a way for a "dealer" to make extra money off you. I'm aware that the $100 for the class III is the dealers "transfer fee" but that is the only one that I am aware of.
You can look for your self, but that is what I have found at the class III retailers I have looked at. They have all been on-line, and will only ship to another FFL dealer. I don't know what those dealers would charge. And thats bull in my view. Aside from already being marked up from who ever you are buying from, for them to add a "transfer fee" is just another way for them to get more money from you.
I will not be buying a weapon if there is another "transfer fee" involved. I'll pay shipping, tax, and the price of the gun, but not another "fee" just because they make a sale. That's like the BS "destination fee" you would pay to a car dealer for a new car. Which by the way, I have not paid. And will not if some one wants to make a sale. And it will be the same with any new gun purchase I make. And should I make an internet purchase, I will surely use some one that is not going to gouge me just because they happen to be a "middle man" I am forced to use. $10 to $20 sounds resonable, but I'm not jonesing that bad for something to have to pay more for what I am buying, just because someone get to touch it and watch me sign a piece of paper and have him send it off for me. Just another way to get ripped off, and the Feds set it up. Think about it. It's like getting a smog check/test in California. Shops charge up to $70 bucks, and the state on gets, I should say charges, $12 or so, it's been a while.

I'm not being rude, but I don't think you have any idea what a transfer fee is or why an FFL would charge for such.

1.When you purchase a firearm from a retail store any "transfer fee" is included in the purchase price of the firearm. I'm not aware of any dealer anywhere that tries to add it in extra. Since you have not used the services of a dealer for a "transfer only" you are making some pretty erroneous assumptions.

2. Any firearm that is purchased from out of state may only be shipped to a licensed firearms dealer. You may not like it, or consider it in your words " bull", but it's Federal law. Don't like it? Don't buy it out of state. If you did choose to buy the gun, you would pay the seller directly before it is shipped. The FFL YOU choose to receive the firearm will process the transfer as required by Federal law. If he does it for free- good for you. 99.9% will charge for this service, as it does entail some risk and responsibility on the part of that dealer. I'm sure you understand that firearms dealers are in business to make a profit, right? Doing free transfers makes that a bit hard.

3. Regarding "class III" or NFA firearms, ONLY those FFL's who ALSO have paid the Special Occupational Tax in order to deal in NFA firearms may receive NFA firearms. There is no mandated $100 transfer fee for class III, it's up to each FFL to set his own price.

4. Somehow, and I don't know if you actually read this thread or not, I believe you got the idea that every gun dealer charges a transfer fee on top of sales tax, shipping, etc in addition to the price of the firearm. That is surely not the case. You seem angered that someone would tack on all these extra "destination charges".

Do a bit of research and you'll find that purchasing guns off GunBroker or internet retailers gives you a much wider selection than your local gun store. Additional benefit is not having to pay sales tax on your out of state purchase. In some states that amounts to more than 8% savings.

 

[Acera]

I did not intend this thread to be about Class III transfer fees, probably should have had a disclaimer in there on that also. However I think most people understood that is is about regular transfers to a dealer in your area.



$100 for a Class III transfer seems a little high also. I pay only $50 for mine. Maybe we could start a poll on how much folks pay for their suppressors, sbr's, and full auto stuff transfers. But that was not the intention of this poll.



I am real happy to see that 82%+ of the people who answered pay 30$ or less. For any of you guys who pay the upper price ranges, send this link to your FFLs and tell them to get in line with the rest of the country, and quit ripping you and other people off.




(great explanation dogtown tom, I don't know how he would not "get it" after your post.)

 

[c919]

Just transfered my new AR for $30 even. One dollar more and i probably would have gone elsewhere. It just seems crazy to charge more than that. The thing is, had I not been a member at their range, and if the gun I transferred was regularly stocked by them (or if they just had a used one in stock, I would assume), they would have charged me $50+TICS (so $60something).

I really like this particular store, but over $60 for a transfer is absurd. I will say in their defense, all of their other prices are great and I understand a small gun store and range has to stay open somehow.

 

[magnumman44]

I pay $8.

 

[searcher451]

Just $8 for a transfer? Holy cow. I've been paying $25 a pop for the past three years and have felt -- until now, at least -- that I was getting a heck of good deal, considering all of the horror stories out there. I'll have to send a link of this to my FFL with some circles and arrows and such.

 

[rico700]

Std transfer -$15 bucks from part timer. Big shops and pawn brokers are $50 ish around here so glad to have him!!

My SOT -also a part timer- is a reasonable $50 and the first couple were free. Bought a couple NON NFA items from him last time I went to pick up a can and no charge for the transfer.

 

[usp9]

In Fredericksburg, Virginia...$20. Several to choose from, the high is $50.

 

[deputy tom]

I'm lucky that I have a good friend that is an FFL and he takes care of me.One of the few perks in my life.YMMV.tom.