Combat-wombat
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What are your general opinions?
What do you think of the Glock 37/ .45 Glock?
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LeonCarr
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Good gun, but the cartridge is an answer in search of a question. If Glock can chamber the Glock 36 for the .45 ACP, then they could have chambered the Glock 37 for the .45 ACP also. Why they chambered it for the .45 Glock, when they know that all most people want is a Glock, chambered for the .45 ACP, that will fit the average person's hand, instead of the larger frame Glock 21 or Glock 30. I wonder if a good gunsmith could rechamber the Glock 37 for the .45 ACP. Food for thought 
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Just my .02,
LeonCarr
.Just my .02,
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BerettaNut92
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Seems like a lot of people have their minds made up but I'll shoot it before I form an opinion....
denfoote
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Have not yet seen it or the rounds!!
10-Ring
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Made for the same people that buy those electric ice tea makers...
Should have made a single stack 10mm...
Should have made a single stack 10mm...
JimC
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Not much at all if I can help it.
JimC
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm under the impression it's only a 10 shooter to be PC. Or did I miss something?
Or did I miss something?Lone_Gunman
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JimC,
Its a 10 shooter to comply with federal law. But that law may sunset, and then I bet it will become a 12 or 13 shooter.
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Its a 10 shooter to comply with federal law. But that law may sunset, and then I bet it will become a 12 or 13 shooter.
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JimC
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I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen if I were you.
Lone_Gunman
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JimC
Unless there is a major change, the votes arent there in the House for passage of a replacement law.
Even if it doesnt sunset though, a G26 sized 45 caliber pistol is appealing.
Unless there is a major change, the votes arent there in the House for passage of a replacement law.
Even if it doesnt sunset though, a G26 sized 45 caliber pistol is appealing.
Kobun
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The G37 has a 10 round mag.
To fit the .45 caliber in a mag the same dimentions as a G17 mag, you have to stack the rounds more on top of each others than in a 9mm. So in fact it is more of a 1 1/2 stack mag...
The G37 has the same dimentions as a G17, but uses .45 rounds that are the same length as a 9x19
To fit the .45 caliber in a mag the same dimentions as a G17 mag, you have to stack the rounds more on top of each others than in a 9mm. So in fact it is more of a 1 1/2 stack mag...
The G37 has the same dimentions as a G17, but uses .45 rounds that are the same length as a 9x19
As most handloaders know, the .45 ACP case has more powder capacity then is necessary when some of the newer propellents are used. In addition the otherwise fine Glock pistol has less-then-optimal support for the case head.
While many users in the United States would like to see Glock make a full-sized single stack .45 and 10mm that doesn't seem likely at this time. Tooling a new frame is very expensive, and more so for a limited market. On the other hand there is a potential market for a .45 that isn't a .45ACP in those countries that forbid civilian ownership of pistols in military calibers.
So we now have, or shortly will have, a cartridge that is shorter then the regular .45 ACP but matches the performance of that round using 185 and 200 grain bullets. What has been given up in the case is unused air space. In addition the case head has been beefed up for more strength in a critical area - at least in Glock pistols.
A number of companies besides Glock - not to mention some perceptive users - are interested in the cartridge because like the .40 S&W it allows a bigger cartridge in a smaller frame. What we will ultimately see is a number of compact and sub-compact pistols that are chambered for a round that within the bullet weight limits duplicates the .45 ACP.
A number of individuals have opined that the .45GAP is of no value and serves no purpose. I think they are wrong. Gun manufacturers prefer to make new models that can be based on existent components, particularly frames. I think those who like the Glock 9mm-.40S&W pistols will like the G37. Others may pick their favorite .40S&W make & model and imagine it as a .45 - not too bad a prospect.
While many users in the United States would like to see Glock make a full-sized single stack .45 and 10mm that doesn't seem likely at this time. Tooling a new frame is very expensive, and more so for a limited market. On the other hand there is a potential market for a .45 that isn't a .45ACP in those countries that forbid civilian ownership of pistols in military calibers.
So we now have, or shortly will have, a cartridge that is shorter then the regular .45 ACP but matches the performance of that round using 185 and 200 grain bullets. What has been given up in the case is unused air space. In addition the case head has been beefed up for more strength in a critical area - at least in Glock pistols.
A number of companies besides Glock - not to mention some perceptive users - are interested in the cartridge because like the .40 S&W it allows a bigger cartridge in a smaller frame. What we will ultimately see is a number of compact and sub-compact pistols that are chambered for a round that within the bullet weight limits duplicates the .45 ACP.
A number of individuals have opined that the .45GAP is of no value and serves no purpose. I think they are wrong. Gun manufacturers prefer to make new models that can be based on existent components, particularly frames. I think those who like the Glock 9mm-.40S&W pistols will like the G37. Others may pick their favorite .40S&W make & model and imagine it as a .45 - not too bad a prospect.
A few points:
1) The .45ACP's reputation is built on the 230gr loadings not the lighter ones.
2) If one is going to get a subcompact that robs the .45 cal rounds of needed velocity for better expansion of hollowpoints, one might be better served by stepping down in caliber to higher pressure loadings such as .40S&W or 9mm+p
3) Speaking of limited markets, a weight downloaded .45 caliber pistol for midget hands is a limited market, especially when not anyone I have heard of complains about the non-existent "hugeness" of most .45ACP offerings, (The 1911A1, SIG 220, Beretta 8045, SW99, CZ 97B, and HK USPc, have all magically fit most humans in the market to date). Maybe the spray and pray crowd needs a "smaller" grip than their standard spray and pray model? Again, limited appeal there.
4) If Gaston can't plug a 230gr pill into his vanity round, perhaps more has been lost than some unused airspace? Perhaps someone has lost his mind?
5) Yes, the non-US civilian, non-US police, non military caliber restricted countries are such a huge firearms market that the GAP will be a smashing success, especially if the mag ban dies here and people can resume stuffing their .45ACP hi-caps with 230gr JHP's or .450 Super in cheaper magazines.
.45GAP in a word: STUPID!
1) The .45ACP's reputation is built on the 230gr loadings not the lighter ones.
2) If one is going to get a subcompact that robs the .45 cal rounds of needed velocity for better expansion of hollowpoints, one might be better served by stepping down in caliber to higher pressure loadings such as .40S&W or 9mm+p
3) Speaking of limited markets, a weight downloaded .45 caliber pistol for midget hands is a limited market, especially when not anyone I have heard of complains about the non-existent "hugeness" of most .45ACP offerings, (The 1911A1, SIG 220, Beretta 8045, SW99, CZ 97B, and HK USPc, have all magically fit most humans in the market to date). Maybe the spray and pray crowd needs a "smaller" grip than their standard spray and pray model? Again, limited appeal there.
4) If Gaston can't plug a 230gr pill into his vanity round, perhaps more has been lost than some unused airspace? Perhaps someone has lost his mind?
5) Yes, the non-US civilian, non-US police, non military caliber restricted countries are such a huge firearms market that the GAP will be a smashing success, especially if the mag ban dies here and people can resume stuffing their .45ACP hi-caps with 230gr JHP's or .450 Super in cheaper magazines.
.45GAP in a word: STUPID!
I want one.... anything new is bound to be fun... if only for a little while.
Personally, I think it might do quite well, and I can envision other makers of compact 9mm and .40 pistols giving it a look as a third chambering in a "caliber" thats quite popular with american shooters.
Personally, I think it might do quite well, and I can envision other makers of compact 9mm and .40 pistols giving it a look as a third chambering in a "caliber" thats quite popular with american shooters.
denfoote
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I bet it's at least as popular as the Glock 36!!! :banghead:
Tamara
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Re: G37/.45 GAP
A more insightful marketing decision hasn't been made since Bob Goizueta signed off on New Coke.
A more insightful marketing decision hasn't been made since Bob Goizueta signed off on New Coke.
I will reserve judgement until I have a chance to fire one.
However, .45 ACP fans are so rabid I don't think calling it the .45 GAP was a wise decision. Why are you going to get the more expensive (very likely) .45 GAP over the very well known .45 ACP? He could have at least called it like the .451 GAP. Then people would be like "oooooooooooh, its .001 bigger!"
Does anyone else get the sinking feeling he will be selling these to LE for about $0.38? Then all the gotta-have-what-the-LEOs-have community will be all over it.
However, .45 ACP fans are so rabid I don't think calling it the .45 GAP was a wise decision. Why are you going to get the more expensive (very likely) .45 GAP over the very well known .45 ACP? He could have at least called it like the .451 GAP. Then people would be like "oooooooooooh, its .001 bigger!"
Does anyone else get the sinking feeling he will be selling these to LE for about $0.38? Then all the gotta-have-what-the-LEOs-have community will be all over it.
Hand_Rifle_Guy
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A G-37 I can do without. Not that it's a bad idea, but I have a medium-frame Glock already, and I like it in .357 Sig.
But...
The .45 GAP means I can have a .45 BHP.
Or a .45 Kahr.
Or a .45 Sig 239.
Or a .45 Beretta 92.
Or a .45 Ruger PC-40.
Or a .45 Heritage Stealth.
Or etc. etc...
The .45 GAP addresses the most fundamental reason there aren't more dinkum little CCW guns in the favorite American big-bore:
Cartridge Overall Length.
When the .40 S&W came out, it was an instant hit. Everybody who was making a 9mm could very easily make a .40 without re-designing their existing product overmuch and neccessitating exorbitant re-tooling costs. That made for a huge variety of new platforms to support the new caliber that starts with .4 instead of .3, which definitely appeals to American sensibilities and puts the 9mm vs. .45 debate on the back burner. EVERYBODY had a .40 ready right quickly, so the market no longer had to be satisfied with less in terms of quality or availability of a gun made by their favorite brand.
Now we have a stubby .45 caliber round that (Hopefully.) will inspire a raft of manufacturers to produce big-bore guns based on their existing small-frame platforms that were created to optimize the size-efficeincy of handguns mandated to only hold ten rounds.
The only good effect of the Klintoon mag restriction was to put paid to the over-inflated worth of the wondernine. You can make a pretty small gun around a double-stack of ten 9mm's. That, however, had the effect of resurrecting the 9mm vs. .45 debate on the grounds of a sneaky little platform vs. Bullets for Real Men in a less hidable package.
The .45 GAP may just defuse that debate.
Just think of it like this:
What nifty little extra-CC-able 9mm/.40 would be THAT MUCH BETTER if it could just be available as a .45?
Now maybe it can be, at a reasonable price, even.
And of course, how many folks absolutely swear by the Browning High Power? And wished it could be available in .45 caliber persuasion from a trusted maker? I know I want one.
The lack of 230-grain loadings won't hurt much. Lots of folks really like +P 185-grain .45 ACP's. They don't seem to need the heavy bullets. The .45 GAP runs at a higher operating pressure than the old ACP, which allows it's standard-pressure loadings to bark right on the heels of the +p ACP loads. The 200-grain GAP load exceeds John Browning's ORIGINAL protoype 200-grain ACP load he offered to the military trials before the folks in charge asked for a heavier bullet. That oughta be worth something.
The premier .357 Magnum load is the 125-grain JHP, not the 158-grain bullet. What do you suppose you could get out of those 165-grain Hydra-Shoks Federal's loading in their Personal Defense line? Or the 185-grain Remington Golden Sabers that work so well in the ACP? 200 grains certainly can't be considered a LIGHTWEIGHT bullet by any stretch of the imagination.
I think the .45 GAP has a great deal of potential. What remains to be seen is whether or not the American shooting public and the American gun industry can be convinced to realize and appreciate that potential.
The possibilities are endless. A .45 Seecamp? Or a KelTec P-45? Or a .45 PPK?...
But...
The .45 GAP means I can have a .45 BHP.
Or a .45 Kahr.
Or a .45 Sig 239.
Or a .45 Beretta 92.
Or a .45 Ruger PC-40.
Or a .45 Heritage Stealth.
Or etc. etc...
The .45 GAP addresses the most fundamental reason there aren't more dinkum little CCW guns in the favorite American big-bore:
Cartridge Overall Length.
When the .40 S&W came out, it was an instant hit. Everybody who was making a 9mm could very easily make a .40 without re-designing their existing product overmuch and neccessitating exorbitant re-tooling costs. That made for a huge variety of new platforms to support the new caliber that starts with .4 instead of .3, which definitely appeals to American sensibilities and puts the 9mm vs. .45 debate on the back burner. EVERYBODY had a .40 ready right quickly, so the market no longer had to be satisfied with less in terms of quality or availability of a gun made by their favorite brand.
Now we have a stubby .45 caliber round that (Hopefully.) will inspire a raft of manufacturers to produce big-bore guns based on their existing small-frame platforms that were created to optimize the size-efficeincy of handguns mandated to only hold ten rounds.
The only good effect of the Klintoon mag restriction was to put paid to the over-inflated worth of the wondernine. You can make a pretty small gun around a double-stack of ten 9mm's. That, however, had the effect of resurrecting the 9mm vs. .45 debate on the grounds of a sneaky little platform vs. Bullets for Real Men in a less hidable package.
The .45 GAP may just defuse that debate.
Just think of it like this:
What nifty little extra-CC-able 9mm/.40 would be THAT MUCH BETTER if it could just be available as a .45?
Now maybe it can be, at a reasonable price, even.
And of course, how many folks absolutely swear by the Browning High Power? And wished it could be available in .45 caliber persuasion from a trusted maker? I know I want one.
The lack of 230-grain loadings won't hurt much. Lots of folks really like +P 185-grain .45 ACP's. They don't seem to need the heavy bullets. The .45 GAP runs at a higher operating pressure than the old ACP, which allows it's standard-pressure loadings to bark right on the heels of the +p ACP loads. The 200-grain GAP load exceeds John Browning's ORIGINAL protoype 200-grain ACP load he offered to the military trials before the folks in charge asked for a heavier bullet. That oughta be worth something.
The premier .357 Magnum load is the 125-grain JHP, not the 158-grain bullet. What do you suppose you could get out of those 165-grain Hydra-Shoks Federal's loading in their Personal Defense line? Or the 185-grain Remington Golden Sabers that work so well in the ACP? 200 grains certainly can't be considered a LIGHTWEIGHT bullet by any stretch of the imagination.
I think the .45 GAP has a great deal of potential. What remains to be seen is whether or not the American shooting public and the American gun industry can be convinced to realize and appreciate that potential.
The possibilities are endless. A .45 Seecamp? Or a KelTec P-45? Or a .45 PPK?...
seeker_two
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Gaston Glock seems to have it in his head that he create better designs than the esteemed John Moses Browning...
First the pistol (Glock vs. 1911/BHP)...
Now the cartridge (.45GAP vs. .45ACP)...
One day, Gaston will learn...
First the pistol (Glock vs. 1911/BHP)...
Now the cartridge (.45GAP vs. .45ACP)...
One day, Gaston will learn...
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