What do you think of the Glock 37/ .45 Glock?
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Well, seeker_two, Gaston Glock has made a lot of money with his designs, and I think that was his intention, over anything else.
Ya know Oracle, I think it was more GG's marketing prowess than the designs that made him so much money. And I'm sure we'll see the full-frontal assault to push this new gun/caliber into the LEO market, thereby making it a success. Granted, it will take time for one to be able to buy ammo for their new bang-stick just about anywhere, but that won't stop its spread.
I don't hold much of an opinion one way or the other about Glocks (although I really enjoy twisting the tail of the Believers
). I don't like the trigger, but do admire the reliability. I'll hold off judgment until I get a chance to shoot one and compare it to my wife's 8-shot USP Compact in 45ACP (seems someone already has done the compact 45 thing pretty well).
I do believe this one's success is preordained. IMO, the only question is this a good thing?
I don't hold much of an opinion one way or the other about Glocks (although I really enjoy twisting the tail of the Believers
). I don't like the trigger, but do admire the reliability. I'll hold off judgment until I get a chance to shoot one and compare it to my wife's 8-shot USP Compact in 45ACP (seems someone already has done the compact 45 thing pretty well). I do believe this one's success is preordained. IMO, the only question is this a good thing?
I don't have much use for the Glock 37... I may have a lot of use for the Glock 38! I think a G19 sized 45 may be a very impressive piece of ordinance. Others are waiting for the G26 sized 45. The round/pistol combination is not so much a great idea for what it is - but for what it may become. Larger rounds in a smaller frame may be just what the doctor ordered for CCW or for those with small hands.
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I wonder if a good gunsmith could rechamber the Glock 37 for the .45 ACP. Food for thought .
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No they can't. The 45 acp is simply too long. The 37 has the same dimensions as the Glock 17/22/31 family. Its a nitch gun that appeals to those with small hands that want a 45 and still have a double didget capacity. How popular it will be time will only tell. It depends on how big the nitch is.
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No they can't. The 45 acp is simply too long. The 37 has the same dimensions as the Glock 17/22/31 family. Its a nitch gun that appeals to those with small hands that want a 45 and still have a double didget capacity. How popular it will be time will only tell. It depends on how big the nitch is.
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I'll wait until I can test one out myself.
If ammunition (and brass) is plentiful, if I can use my same .45 ACP dies to load 45 GAP ammo, if it is an accurate cartridge, and if it can perform with the same reliability as my Glock 21, then certainly, I would buy one.
If anything, maybe such a cartridge would be a beautiful match with Alliant Power Pistol propellant powder...
If ammunition (and brass) is plentiful, if I can use my same .45 ACP dies to load 45 GAP ammo, if it is an accurate cartridge, and if it can perform with the same reliability as my Glock 21, then certainly, I would buy one.
If anything, maybe such a cartridge would be a beautiful match with Alliant Power Pistol propellant powder...
cookhj
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ALL I WANT IS A .45 SINGLE STACK IN A G19/23/32 SIZE! IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK! 
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:banghead:>> ALL I WANT IS A .45 SINGLE STACK IN A G19/23/32 SIZE! IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK! <<
Yes, maybe it is. Gun manufacturers look at the world in a different way then users often do. While Glock frames are relatively inexpensive the tooling to make them is not. Market economics dictate that enough of a certain style handgun (or frame) has to be sold to recover the tooling costs. That’s why makers prefer to bring out new models that are based on something they’re building now. You (and I) would like to see some more single-stack Glocks. It won’t happen until a large enough demand builds up (we’re talking about many thousands of guns) to justify the cost of making them and demand for the present line of guns drops off enough to provide manufacturing space in the factory. Neither seems likely at the moment, but don’t give up. The time will come someday, or someone else will see an opportunity and produce the gun you want.
Yes, maybe it is. Gun manufacturers look at the world in a different way then users often do. While Glock frames are relatively inexpensive the tooling to make them is not. Market economics dictate that enough of a certain style handgun (or frame) has to be sold to recover the tooling costs. That’s why makers prefer to bring out new models that are based on something they’re building now. You (and I) would like to see some more single-stack Glocks. It won’t happen until a large enough demand builds up (we’re talking about many thousands of guns) to justify the cost of making them and demand for the present line of guns drops off enough to provide manufacturing space in the factory. Neither seems likely at the moment, but don’t give up. The time will come someday, or someone else will see an opportunity and produce the gun you want.
Andrew Wyatt
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I fail to see your logic (if indeed there is any).
As long as they came out with a double stack .45 that fit more people's hands, why does it matter how they did it?
If it means more ploice officers are allowed to carry a "real caliber" then it's got merit.
I always like to see innovation of any kind in the firearms industry, and i show my displeasure at things i don't like by not buying them.
I'm going to build myself a .45 GAP BHP, as soon as i can find a suitable barrel for it.
longeyes
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My response: When is Glock going to make an eight-round extended magazine for my Glock 36?
Preacherman
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I'm with Old Fuff and Hand_Rifle_Guy on this one. I think that the shorter-for-caliber Glock .45 might be very successful in smaller pistols whose frame size has never allowed their manufacturers to produce them in .45 ACP. Can you say "Kahr PM45"?
Tamara
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krept,
They used to say ".40 S&W" and ".357SIG". They dropped them after they won the big Sigma lawsuit against S&W.
Funny, my 629 and Vaquero don't say ".44 Remington Magnum" and my Beretta 96D just says "Cal. .40"...
They used to say ".40 S&W" and ".357SIG". They dropped them after they won the big Sigma lawsuit against S&W.
Funny, my 629 and Vaquero don't say ".44 Remington Magnum" and my Beretta 96D just says "Cal. .40"...
interesting... didn't know that.
We'll see how it pans out. I wonder how many gunshops in the boonies are going to respond "fortyfive Glock ammuntion? What you mean, son, you got a G21 that you want to feed?"
or in the city, to a customer... "Ummm, no sir, these bullets won't work in your G37. You need 45 Glock, not .45 ACP"
I simply do not see other manufacturers rushing to produce handguns for this cartridge... "if it ain't broke..." If this is the case, I also do not see a lot of local places stocking up on 45 Glock ammunition, for the G37 would be the only pistol shooting it. It's tough enough finding 10mm, and there are more platforms that utilize this caliber.
further, as touched on earlier, people frequently complain about the ACP's lack of sectional density. w/200gr max, this will probably remain to be an issue unless they really tailor the bullet construction.
I guess I see this pistol as appealing to the "I have small hands, need 10 rounds and MUST have a .45" crowd. IM0 the .40 has shown to be the cat's meow for LE, Military is pretty much stuck with 9mm... without widespread "professional" acceptance (lots of 1911/ACP fans here) I'm just not so sure how well it will catch on.
Now, will it be an effective cartridge/platform combination? You betcha. More effective than the G23? I doubt it, not enough to warrant yet another change.
As far as the overseas ammo restrictions... I wonder how many LE or Military units in other countries carry the .40? I know Ayoob exhaults his G27 just for that reason... no ammo restrictions.
To summarize my diatribe, I've got no problems with this cartridge/platform combo but I think Glock could have spent the RnD on bigger and better things.
Can it work? Absolutely.
Do I think it will be the next "big thing"? No.
time may very well prove me wrong! But I do know having more choices is a generally a good thing.
We'll see how it pans out. I wonder how many gunshops in the boonies are going to respond "fortyfive Glock ammuntion? What you mean, son, you got a G21 that you want to feed?"
or in the city, to a customer... "Ummm, no sir, these bullets won't work in your G37. You need 45 Glock, not .45 ACP"
I simply do not see other manufacturers rushing to produce handguns for this cartridge... "if it ain't broke..." If this is the case, I also do not see a lot of local places stocking up on 45 Glock ammunition, for the G37 would be the only pistol shooting it. It's tough enough finding 10mm, and there are more platforms that utilize this caliber.
further, as touched on earlier, people frequently complain about the ACP's lack of sectional density. w/200gr max, this will probably remain to be an issue unless they really tailor the bullet construction.
I guess I see this pistol as appealing to the "I have small hands, need 10 rounds and MUST have a .45" crowd. IM0 the .40 has shown to be the cat's meow for LE, Military is pretty much stuck with 9mm... without widespread "professional" acceptance (lots of 1911/ACP fans here) I'm just not so sure how well it will catch on.
Now, will it be an effective cartridge/platform combination? You betcha. More effective than the G23? I doubt it, not enough to warrant yet another change.
As far as the overseas ammo restrictions... I wonder how many LE or Military units in other countries carry the .40? I know Ayoob exhaults his G27 just for that reason... no ammo restrictions.
To summarize my diatribe, I've got no problems with this cartridge/platform combo but I think Glock could have spent the RnD on bigger and better things.
Can it work? Absolutely.
Do I think it will be the next "big thing"? No.
time may very well prove me wrong! But I do know having more choices is a generally a good thing.
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Like EVERYBODY else who's posted in this thread, I don't have a clue whether the .45 GAP will be a marketing success or not; however, I do know that its success will have to be without my participation.
I'm sure that the folks at Glock have done enough marketing research to have a pretty good idea if there's a market for their smaller-framed pistols in a .45. I don't think they'll get very far with l.e., as they'll be competing against their own excellent .40's, with which the l.e. community is so enamored. With 15-rds. of .40 available in the same frame size as the .45 GAP, I don't see that l.e. would be too motivated to change.
As far as Gaston Glock's "competing" with a guy who's been dead forever, I doubt if that thought ever crosses Gaston's mind.
There has really been no competition between the BHP's/1911's and Glocks, as Glock's cleaned their clock in the marketplace, ever since Gaston introduced the world to the G17!
You'd be surprised at how many people take about how they "really dislike the Glock's trigger," but have never picked up a Glock. So it goes.
I'm sure that the folks at Glock have done enough marketing research to have a pretty good idea if there's a market for their smaller-framed pistols in a .45. I don't think they'll get very far with l.e., as they'll be competing against their own excellent .40's, with which the l.e. community is so enamored. With 15-rds. of .40 available in the same frame size as the .45 GAP, I don't see that l.e. would be too motivated to change.
As far as Gaston Glock's "competing" with a guy who's been dead forever, I doubt if that thought ever crosses Gaston's mind.
There has really been no competition between the BHP's/1911's and Glocks, as Glock's cleaned their clock in the marketplace, ever since Gaston introduced the world to the G17!
You'd be surprised at how many people take about how they "really dislike the Glock's trigger," but have never picked up a Glock. So it goes.
Hand Rifle Guy makes a very valid point about COL and possible new offerings in existing guns. It will be interesting to see whether the laundry list of 9/40 gunmakers will offer it in 45Gap, whether a sig 239 or whatever. It could certainly fill a role for in theory for those of use who (a) want to make a .45 hole, even with no expansion, and (b) have small hands and thus prefer thinner grips. This is particularly true if the standard cap mag ban is renewed, because if you're limited to 10 anyway, why not get a big hole maker with the same thin grip? I may have to re-think my opinion on the GAP.
Nevertheless, this:
"I have a two pound sledge and an anvil near my reloading press awaiting any .45GAP brass I encounter."
is funny.
Nevertheless, this:
"I have a two pound sledge and an anvil near my reloading press awaiting any .45GAP brass I encounter."
is funny.
Saw one and cursory examined it last Saturday. Nothing really worth noting about the gun. 9mm/.40SW sized frame with a beefy slide.
Round looked pretty funny though. Really stubby. Small pistol primer. Didn't catch the price as I wasn't really interested in getting one.
Round looked pretty funny though. Really stubby. Small pistol primer. Didn't catch the price as I wasn't really interested in getting one.
SigP220ST_Guy
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This is not true. And from my understanding and from the guys over at Glock Talk the G37 is maxed out with 10 rounds since they built it on a smaller frame. The next compact models I.E. G38 will have a lower capacity.
Do I like it? Doesn't really turn me on right now but I guess I can see a place for it. I think the Glock 22 is a better weapon. The rounds are too comparable and the G22 holds 5-7 more rounds.
I think they screwed up by not making the G37 a larger version of the G36. Plus I don't like how they show the prototype being the same exact size as a G17/G22/G31 than release something different.
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