What do you think the possibility is of a AWB?

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I think it's really hard to predict.

In the late '80s and early '90s, a lot of people were afraid of black violent crime. The AWB wasn't about school shootings; it was about white people banning the guns that NWA rapped about.

This fear does not exist like it did 20 years ago. It's a different world, and people are more concerned about West Nile Virus than the Crack Epidemic. Furthermore, since then, there's been more support for the idea of letting people defend themselves, not trying to fight crime by stopping self-defense. Castle Doctrine laws, Shall-Issue reform, etc. have flourished in the past 20 years. With the exception of a few states -- notably the ones that are bankrupt now -- gun control as a solution to crime has not been popular around the US.

OTOH, the far left activists who supported Obama will want their payback, and their priority is consolidating government power, whether that's by seizing more of our income, taking over huge portions of the economy like medical services, or by disarming us.

My bet: there will be some law passed, so that politicians can say they "did something", but it's hard to predict what it would look like. Could you have predicted what the Clinton Gun Ban would look like? Bayonet lugs, for example?

It may be that the smartest thing to do is let the politicians pass a law, but work to make sure that law doesn't really do anything.

For example, California has a law against guns that are designed to avoid setting off a metal detector -- left over from the Glock scare of the mid '80s. Of course, no such gun exists, or, as far as we can tell, will ever exist. So, the politicians "did something" but the law is utterly meaningless.

OTOH, it may be best to fight any law, to the bitter end. The political climate, the contents of the law, etc., will show the way at the time.

However, barring the return of widespread fear of drive-by shootings by dark-skinned people, I don't think popular support for a "crime bill" exists today as it did in the early '90s.
 
Oh Boy, I usually don't bit on these threads but tonight I will.

The bottom line is that at some point during Obama's presidency gun control is going to come up. Who knows if it will be a new AWB or some other gun control law. There is good news and there is bad news depending how you want to view it

Obama was elected to fix the economy....period. The fact of the matter is that people care more about the amount of money in their pocket (or how will the government make "my" costs less) than about anything else including their constitutional rights. Gun control is not one of his forefront issues in fact I am stunned about how little gun control was covered in this election it's a hot button issue that no politician wants to talk about. Yes I know its been mentioned nationally but compared to everything else going on its gotten little coverage.

The bad news is it will take one messed up teenager with his dads CIA Romanian AK to have a school shooting and 100 years of gun rights will be erased in the name of "protecting our children" by the dems in power...bottom line (yes we all cringe at that thought)

I view the wost case scenario as 'starting' to take effect a year form now, when new 'serious' legislation takes effect in 2010 (and Gun Control is on the medias agenda) after Obama has had a year to add band-aids to the economy. And an additional 1/2 year till it's rammed through congress and eventually take effect. This could or could not happen...I mean if everyone purchased one less magazine and joined NRA/GOA and wrote there representatives... life for us would be better.

One needs to plan however you see it. Personally I've been planning since the last ban ended. I'd like to go shoot my AUG with my future Son (or Daughter). If your new to firearms make a list of what you might want for the future get what you can NOW...cause it wont get any better. If your a serious collector chances are pre-85 and pre-91 stuff price wise wont change much out side of normal inflation and you've been ready out side of that Valmet mag you need. The real killer for us is the new shooter generation and the new stuff like the FN SCAR ect. that we wont be able to have.

The next few years will be challenging, i hope it works out for us.
 
Ok, here is the problem I see and yet nobody has really stated what they will do. Most of you have said that you believe he will enforce an AWB sometimes during his reign. There lies the problem. We cannot allow that to happen, so what will you do? I mean seriously this has got to end somewhere. The rights of the people have been slowly getting eroded for the last 20 years and if the AWB takes effect then that is just one skip away from being in totalitarian rule IMO. The 2nd amendment was implemented for a reason and we all know what that is and we all are witnessing it happen right now, slowly but surely. However, I do not see much going on in defense of the second amendment, sure people are doing something but I think it is going to take something more substantial than some pencil-pushing. So, I ask again what would you do to fight against that and I have already heard the writing your senator role of things, etc. and I am all for that as it is the most civil thing to do. However, it obviously is not doing much good since most of you believe an AWB will happen. I am not all for just the military and police being the only ones able to have them either as that just puts the general public at too much of a disadvantage. I mean seriously at that point there is nothing stopping domination or a totalitarian government from forming. Call me crazy but I think that is the plan.
 
Why would he want to throw a political grenade, right out of the gate? If we have one, it'll be in his second term, the dem's want to keep thier jobs.;)
 
Obama isn't the "great socialst hope" the left thinks he is.

My guess is Obama is praying the AWB2 NEVER gets to his desk.

Best chance to stop it is in the Senate. Not only because of the 60 rule but also there are about 8 very pro RKBA Dems in the Senate. It is the "last best chance" to kill the AWB2.

The antis WILL try and likely will try multiple times on multiple fronts.

Obama doesn't "want" an AWB but he will sign it if it gets to his desk.
Honestly it is a lose-lose for Obama.

If AWB is on his desk he can:
1) sign it and give NRA a massive "bullet" to reshape Congress in 2010.
2) veto it and slap his party in the face. He can kiss any support for his programs goodbye for the rest of the session.

Either way it is a loser BUT if push comes to shove and it hits his desk he WILL sign it. Period.
 
I don't think the new administration will enact a AWB in the first term. In the second term they might try.

Some proposed gun legislation makes perfect sense. For example, more scrutinized background checks and requiring that all transfers (private/gun show) pass through a FFL w/NICS check. We have to do what we can to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals. Happy New Year to All.
 
No one knows, no one can know, and anyone that claims to know is trying to sell you something.

That being said, it is my personal opinion that there is only a very slim chance that Obama will enact an AWB in his first term, and almost guaranteed that he will do it in his second term. Obama has made far too many campaign promises to keep and the American people are going to expect him to hold up his end of the deal. If he wants the slightest glimmer of hope of being re-elected, he's going to have to work really hard to acheive some of these goals. He set the bar really high for himself. Now I highly doubt that he's going to make an AWB priority, since it was the only campaign promise that he deleted off of his website during his campaign and it is the one that is most likely to keep him from being re-elected.

The only way he's going to get away with an AWB in his first term is if he does it immediately after a serious shooting incident like Viginia Tech. Americans will not like strict regulations unless they are reactionary.

My guess is Obama is praying the AWB2 NEVER gets to his desk.

Best chance to stop it is in the Senate. Not only because of the 60 rule but also there are about 8 very pro RKBA Dems in the Senate. It is the "last best chance" to kill the AWB2.

The antis WILL try and likely will try multiple times on multiple fronts.

Obama doesn't "want" an AWB but he will sign it if it gets to his desk.
Honestly it is a lose-lose for Obama.

If AWB is on his desk he can:
1) sign it and give NRA a massive "bullet" to reshape Congress in 2010.
2) veto it and slap his party in the face. He can kiss any support for his programs goodbye for the rest of the session.

Either way it is a loser BUT if push comes to shove and it hits his desk he WILL sign it. Period.
Very well put. I agree with this 100%.

I think that he will much more actively support it in his second term. Hopefully by then we will have been fed up with a Democrat majority, and we will have improved our house and senate position. Of course by improved I mean a republican majority. Not all of you will agree with me that this is an improvement, so let's not get into that arguement and hijack this thread.

I don't think the new administration will enact a AWB in the first term. In the second term they might try.

Some proposed gun legislation makes perfect sense. For example, more scrutinized background checks and requiring that all transfers (private/gun show) pass through a FFL w/NICS check. We have to do what we can to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals. Happy New Year to All.
I disagree that they "make perfect sense", but that is an arguement for another thread. I do agree that they will probably pass those laws though. We will most likely see them close the "gunshow loophole", but I doubt that anything more serious will be done in Obama's first term.
 
I think that Happiness Is A Warm Gun hit it right on the nose. Regardless of Obama's personal beliefs, I don't think he wants to ruffle feathers. Like any politician, he wants to build support and make people happy. An outright AWB is too polarizing to accomplish that goal. That doesn't mean that we won't see any new regs. coming down the pipe, however.
 
Timradcliffe345. most criminals steal their weapons that they use, so what you say has no bearing on were they get them.
You do understand that a criminal dose not follow the law? hence the reason they are a criminal.
So lets not do any crime control lets hamper the law abiding citizens, legal immigrants to more bulls@@* to exercise our rights, yea makes a lot of scene to me:banghead:
 
Timradcliffe345. most criminals steal their weapons that they use, so what you say has no bearing on were they get them.
You do understand that a criminal dose not follow the law? hence the reason they are a criminal.
So lets not do any crime control lets hamper the law abiding citizens, legal immigrants to more bulls@@* to exercise our rights, yea makes a lot of scene to me


In most states a felon/illegal immigrant can purchase a firearm without a background check in a FTF or gunshow scenario. There is nothing wrong in requiring that a background check is performed prior to a firearms-transaction taking place.

If people lock their firearms up they wouldn't get stolen. With rights come responsibility.
 
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In most states a felon/illegal immigrant can purchase a firearm without a background check in a FTF or gunshow scenario. There is nothing wrong in requiring that a background check is performed prior to a firearms-transaction takes place.

If people lock their firearms up they wouldn't get stolen. With rights come responsibility.
There are a million and one different things I would like to say to this, and it is really tempting. But this is off of the thread's topic, and you need to stop. If you want to discuss this in a different thread, feel free, but the topic of this thread is the possibility of an AWB. The "gunshow loophole" is not an AWB, so discuss it somewhere else.

Timradcliffe345. most criminals steal their weapons that they use, so what you say has no bearing on were they get them.
You do understand that a criminal dose not follow the law? hence the reason they are a criminal.
So lets not do any crime control lets hamper the law abiding citizens, legal immigrants to more bulls@@* to exercise our rights, yea makes a lot of scene to me
The same goes for you. Off topic, take it somewhere else.
 
There are a million and one different things I would like to say to this, and it is really tempting. But this is off of the thread's topic, and you need to stop. If you want to discuss this in a different thread, feel free, but the topic of this thread is the possibility of an AWB. The "gunshow loophole" is not an AWB, so discuss it somewhere else.


It is extremely likely that the next AWB will include legislation on the 'gunshow loophole'. Hence, it is on topic. I'd be interested to hear your 'one milion and one' reasons for why background checks are such a bad idea.
No background check, no gun, no excuses. God Bless.
 
It is extremely likely that the next AWB will include legislation on the 'gunshow loophole'. Hence, it is on topic. I'd be interested to hear your 'one milion and one' reasons for why background checks are such a bad idea.
No background check, no gun, no excuses. God Bless.
Now you're trolling, whether or not you mean to be. The background checks are not gun bans, and the original AWB did not have anything to say about gunshows, so please, it is off topic. Take it elsewhere and stop trying to hijack this thread.
 
It is extremely likely that the next AWB will include legislation on the 'gunshow loophole'. Hence, it is on topic. I'd be interested to hear your 'one milion and one' reasons for why background checks are such a bad idea.
No background check, no gun, no excuses. God Bless.
Closing the "GSL" is the most likely thing to pass. The only effect will be to close down gun shows. Good riddance to them anyway.
They cannot make private transfers illegal without registration. And registration won't happen.
 
The rights of the people have been slowly getting eroded for the last 20 years and if the AWB takes effect then that is just one skip away from being in totalitarian rule IMO.

Seeing that 2009 marks the 75th anniversary of the passage of the NFA monstrosity, methinks that it's safe to say that you're not going back quite far enough.

However, I do not see much going on in defense of the second amendment, sure people are doing something but I think it is going to take something more substantial than some pencil-pushing. So, I ask again what would you do to fight against that and I have already heard the writing your senator role of things, etc. and I am all for that as it is the most civil thing to do.

Face it, the vast majority of folks who purchase so-called assault weapons are basically just hobbyists, sportsmen, collectors, and recreationists.

We're not talking about some Army of the People who are prepared to stand up for their rights, even at the cost their life.
 
Two words: Executive Order

All that can be done by executive order is banning them from importation and that was already done by daddy Bush 20 years ago. Banning the domestic manufacture of sport-utility rifles will take an act of Congress and the votes just aren't there. The Democrats of the 103rd Congress are long gone and this current bunch of Democrats remembers well the electoral massacre of 1994.

In short, there's not much to worry about.
 
It AWB gets to his desk he will sign of course, its on his agenda, was added to the whitehouse.gov site last week. Big question is if it will make it to his desk which could go either way. Any high profile case with a AW I think it would make it through.
 
If he's half as smart as he thinks he is, he'll stack the Senate with pro-gun Dems to keep it off his desk. Funny, we just got rid of two anti-gun Senators, and replaced them with pro-gun Democrats ...

See, he doesn't want an easy label. Conservatives dislike him for many reasons, but none of them make an easy sobriquet. Yelling "Socialist!" doesn't pack much of a punch. However, "Gun Grabber!" is easy to understand and hard to argue with, if he passes anti-gun legislation. He doesn't want all of his supposed complexity and specialness to be reduced to "Gun Grabber!". Especially with all the new gun owners these days, and a Supreme Court decision that put the antis on the defensive for the first time in forty years.

I'm not saying it won't happen, but BO doesn't want it to happen.
 
Closing the "GSL" is the most likely thing to pass. The only effect will be to close down gun shows. Good riddance to them anyway.
They cannot make private transfers illegal without registration. And registration won't happen.

I have a couple of comments on the above.

First, you own a gunstore, I believe. Is that perhaps part of the reason you would like to see gun shows closed? To eliminate competition?

Second, you say closing the "gunshow loop hole" is the most likely thing to pass. This would involve making private transfers illegal (or at least make them illegal at gunshows). The you go on to say that they can't make private transfers illegal without registatration, and registration won't happen. If that is true, then why do you think closing the GSL is the most likely thing to happen? According to you, it in fact can't happen.
 
Funny, private transfers around here are perfectly legal at shows or anywhere else you can carry a gun, but I've never seen a private transfer at a local show, with the exception of sales by dealers from outside their FFL inventory (antiques, personal possessions, etc.).
 
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