What does owning a 10mm caliber offer to the .45 ACP owner ?

[VE2RF]

I've always really liked the 10mm caliber, since the Bren Ten caught my interest as a young man. For a very brief period, I owned a hybrid Bren/CZ custom that a gunsmith in Virginia had built from CZ 75, Peregrine, and Bren parts.

When the gun shot, it was a pleasure, but because it was a hybrid, small things had a tendency to fail, and it was a major crapshoot to get it going. I shot maybe 450 10mm rounds of out the gun before selling it to a Bren collector who took it apart and used it for spares.

Basically, I understand the 10mm round, and while I liked it, I also like the .32acp, the .40 S&W, and the .41 Magnum- however, I don't own any of those.

I've come across a smoking deal on a Dan Wesson Bobtail 10mm as well as an equally good deal Dan Wesson Bobtail .45 acp.
I already own 2 Dan Wesson's .45's, but I wouldn't rule out owning another as I don't own a Bobtail.

Basically, I'd be interested in hearing from people who own or have owned both 10mm and .45acp guns, especially( but not limited to) 1911 clones. I'd like to know what the 10mm offers to them, and why they own it versus another .45acp or other gun.

I had planned on giving my dad my Pointman Panther if I buy the Bobtail .45acp, so I'd still have a pair of .45acp's. I'm just still on the fence whether to go with a 10mm or another .45acp.

Thanks,

Vaughn

 

[mtngunr]

I'd guarantee it offers more recoil and more battering to the gun.....personally think the 1911 platform ill-suited to hotrodding, there being no free lunch....increased recoil means heavier recoil springs, heavier recoil springs means the slide returns to battery with greater force, the greater force stressing the gun more, especially at the slide-stop which keeps the slide captive.....if you want a magnum, shoot a revolver....it'll hold up a lot better.....

 

[hksw]

As compared to the .45 ACP, the 10 mm offers more power and capacity in standard loadings.

For me, I like the 10 mm as it is one of the most efficient for size cartridges available.

 

[IdahoLT1]

The 10mm will outperform the 45ACp in almost every catergory, even wear and tear on the gun. I would get it over a 45 on a 1911 platgorm. Like you said, you already own 2 45's from the same manufacturer, why make it 3? Diversify your portfolio.

 

[varoadking]

I'd get a 10mm, but it would be a DAO S&W 10XX series - specifically a 1086.

In your case, I'd get the .45 so you can give one of your other ones to your father...

 

[jmr40]

I have 1911's in .45 ACP and Glocks in .45 and 10mm. In my mind the 10mm is better in the Glock or the discontinued S&W1006 series. I love the 1911 as much as anyone but feel the 10mm is just a bit much for the gun design.

 

[R.W.Dale]

The 10mm allows the user to look down his nose at .45guys in the same manner they do the 9mm crowd. That is worth the price of admission there.

Seriously the 10mm is getting into a more versatile group of handgun cartridges that'll work for 2 and 4 legged critters equally well. That being said a 1911 wouldn't be my choice for a 10mm platform.

Tanfolgio
Glock
&
S&W

have all made or do make some excellent 10's

 

[BlindJustice]

CARTRIDGES in 10MM / .40 CALIBER include

.38-40
.40 S&W
.400 CorBon
10MM AUTO
10MM Auto Magnum

Got It? Use the correct terminology

R-

 

[R.W.Dale]

CARTRIDGES in 10MM / .40 CALIBER include

.38-40
.40 S&W
.400 CorBon
10MM AUTO
10MM Auto Magnum

Got It? Use the correct terminology

Go look at what's stamped on the bbl of most 10mm firearms and get back to us......

 

[jlh26oo]

GO (for it)!

What does owning a 10mm caliber offer to the .45 ACP owner ?

Increased sectional density, velocity, capacity.

Increased pressure, cost.

The 10mm allows the user to look down his nose at .45guys in the same manner they do the 9mm crowd. That is worth the price of admission there.

Sounds like fun, but considering the question was what does it offer to the .45 A.C.P. owner, you are suggesting it would allow the O.P. to look down his nose... at a mirror!

 

[BlindJustice]

My Bar-STo .400 CorBon barrel and 1911 i is at my gunnys for fitting
along with my 625 - can't remember what either of them have on
the barrel. I'll check it out.

Question - is the 10MM AUto Magnum 1/8" longer case Dimension longer
akin to the .38 SPecial & .357 Mag. for example?

What is the 10MM Auto cartridge length?

I think the O.P. and others who think of a possibility of converting
a 1911 in .45 ACP to 10MM
* different magazines - do they work in the .45 ACP mag well? i.e.
long enough for the 10mM auto cartridge?
* Heavier recoil spring for almost twice the pressure
* but how do you change the innards of the slide where it
encases the rear of the cartridge?

COlt thought they could do this to the 1911 and ended up with
battered platforms. Colt beefed it up and came out with the
Delta ELite which looks like a 1911 like the Dan Wesson 10MM Auto
does today. Word is Colt is going to re-intro the Delta Elite come
November.

SAAMI Pressure standards

.38-40 14,000 - it started with blackpowder in the 19th century
.45 ACP 21,000
.45 ACP +P 23,000
.400 CorBon 23,000
.40 S&W 35,000
10MM Auto 35,000 ?
10MM Auto 40,000 ?

I had heard writers say the .400 CorBon was estimated in the 26,500 range which is close to .45 Super at 27,000 but I stated
this on a different forum and a rep. from CorBon said
SAAMI rated it at 23,000 two years ago, but as a ammo manufacturer told me SAAMI haven't published their standards in 14 years, so
how do you know this? <-- Rhetorical doh!

Randall

 

[Big Boomer]

Whelp, I gotta throw this in, and stir the pot as I usually do

Why not convert one of your 45's to 45 Super? If you reload you can still use the same bullets, and still shoot your cheaper 45's.

I will be eventually be picking up a 10mm but that's because I already have a 45 Super and 460 Rowland.

 

[R.W.Dale]

http://www.ramshot.com/powders/

according to Ramshot the PSI ratings are as follows

40 S&W 35,000
10mm 37,500
45acp 21,000
45acp+p 23,000
357 Sig 40,000

 

[BlindJustice]

I didn't say the .400 CorBon was the equal of 10MM Auto - I said it was pretty close up to 165 gr. bullet weights.

Let's check Current Starline Brass PRices:
of some of the cartridges mentioned
in this thread per 500 rd pak.

9MM Luger --- $ 61.95
.40 S&W ----- $ 75.65=
10MM Aito --- $ 78.95 =
.45 ACP -------$ 78.75
.45 ACP +P --- $ 85.95
.45 Auto Rim -- $ 85.55
.45 Colt ------- $ 89.95
10MM AUto Mag $ 106.25
.400 CorBon ---- $ 101.55
.40 Super ----- $ 120.45

I added the other cartridges/cases - I shoot them 9MM and AUto RIm anyway

These prices have risen since Jan. 1rst - I checked it because I bought
1000 ACP and 1000 Auto RIm as well as 500 CorBon last Oct.
and the prices rose 30% or so Jan 1 '08. although 9mm hasn't gone up much
at all.

glad I bought a CZ 75B in 9MM Luger 6 weeks ago.

Some of the above speciality cases don't take that much
more material but there isn't as much dmemand so it's a higher
unit cost - economics.

Randal

 

[harrygunner]

I carry a full sized .45ACP and a Glock 29 in 10mm. Have a 10mm 1911 Commander style in the works with a gunsmith.

I can easily shoot a 10mm. So after thinking about my decade+ of carrying, a 10mm 1911 looks close to the optimal platform for me. Can't speak for everyone.

Given the FBI study, my lifestyle of spending time in urban and wilderness areas, plus its versatility, the 10mm wins. I carry one gun and two loads of ammo.

I'd go with the DW 10mm CBOB.

 

[lee n. field]

What does owning a 10mm caliber offer to the .45 ACP owner ?

The prestige of shooting rare and expensive ammo?

 

[CZF]

10mm CBOB! The DWs can look really nice.




http://www.angelfire.com/amiga2/czid/DW.html

 

[BlindJustice]

Lee N. Field sed
"The prestige of shooting rare and expensive ammo?"

Hey, don't give it rare status - it's just not in demand as
much as .45 ACP, after all for the brass used to make the
case it's less than a .45 ACP case but costs more by $1 per
500 rds, higher unit cost for less demand yah knw?

* Getting an additional 50 FPS out of a Hornady 155 gr. XTP
JHP vs a .400 CorBon with the same bullet at approx. 12,000 PSI
for that gain in velocity.

* Shot shells from anybody are not available in 10MM Auto AFAIK.

Just stating facts

Talking rare, wow on the .40 Super brass case price per 500 woooo

R- .

 

[mpmarty]

One of the things you gain is the ability to astound your buddies with muzzle blast when shooting 135gr max loads with #9 or Blue Dot. Seriously, the ten is about the best semi auto round going. 200gr with high sectional density at over 1200fps, accurate to "way out there" ranges without the rainbow trajectory of a .45, higher mag capacity in the same size weapon. I love all my tens and still have a bunch of 45s that are fun to shoot also. That said, my ccw is still a compact 45.

 

[M4inCA]

For SD purposes, there is nothing quite like a 10. If you ever get the chance to see someone who was unfortunate enough to be on the receiving end of a 10, try to hold your puke, it's not pretty at all...

 

[dairycreek]

The 10mm is a fine, fine round. Absolutely no complaints about its performance. My concerns with it have to do with a general lack of availability of good guns that chamber it. Wish there were more. In my area of the world 10mm ammo has increased dramatically in price (what hasn't) while decreasing dramatically in general availability on gunshop shelves. FWIW!

 

[M203Sniper]

LONGSLIDES!

http://www.fusionfirearms.com/

and Versatility

http://www.gunblast.com/Glock20.htm

 

[Water-Man]

From a practical standpoint go with the .45

 

[Eric F]

For a very brief period, I owned a hybrid Bren/CZ custom that a gunsmith in Virginia had built from CZ 75, Peregrine, and Bren parts.

is that gunsmith in Surry Va?

 

[everallm]

If you were happy with the CZ style platform in your original 10mm, have you thought of the EAA/Tanfoglio in 10mm?

One of the advantages being, for about another $230, you can have the conversion kit in .45