What Does Your Cylinder Hold?

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Doing some measurements today. My Euroarms Remmy cylinder will hold 42 grs
by weight of Swiss FFF to 1/8 inch of the end of cylinder. Just barely enough
room to seat the ball. This ought to be quite a load. Other measurements are
cylinder chambers are .450 Barrel bore .442 Barrel groove .450. 6 grooves
.004 deep rifling twist 1 in 18 inches.

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I loaded my Remington that way one time... the loading lever dropped each time like a Walker Colt, and it had a hell of a kick. Enjoy :D
 
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Where'd you get that front sight? I just bought another Euro Remmie and my other two have taller front sights so I need a 3rd taller one if the new gun shoots high like the others I have. I didn't know they hold that much powder. I suspect Swiss is a little denser than Goex.
 
Doing some measurements today. My Euroarms Remmy cylinder will hold 42 grs by weight of Swiss FFF to 1/8 inch of the end of cylinder. Just barely enough room to seat the ball. This ought to be quite a load. Other measurements are cylinder chambers are .450 Barrel bore .442 Barrel groove .450. 6 grooves .004 deep rifling twist 1 in 18 inches.

Since you asked about cylinders...

Pietta 1860 Army, Graf's FFFg Powder.

Loaded 6 cylinders, increasing the charge as I went and taking measurements.

"Volumetric" | Scale | Depth of ball below cylinder face
40 gr | 34.6 gr | .157"
42 gr | 36.8 gr | .071"
43 gr | 37.9 gr | .035"
44 gr | 38.3 gr | .010"
44 gr | 38.2 gr | .030"
45 gr | 38.7 gr | .017"

Explanation: Poured from a flask into an adjustable brass measure. (It is marked in 5gr increments, so if it isn't set on 40 or 45 it is an approximation). Poured into pan on an RCBS 1010 Scale to measure weight, then poured into cylinder, set ball atop, and rammed home with very firm (and ideally somewhat consistent) pressure. Finally, measured depth with dial calipers.

After I had loaded cylinder 4, it occurred to me that pouring from the scale pan probably wasn't doing a very good job of settling the powder, so for the last two cylinders I tapped the cylinder with my knuckles to settle it a bit. The difference was noticeable. Last note, I had fired this revolver earlier before running this test, so the cylinders were of course slightly fouled.

I suspect that I could fit approximately 39.3 gr of this powder by actual weight, maybe a tad more if I was using a drop tube or equivalent. This powder wasn't as dense as I was expecting. I'll probably do this again with some other powders at some point, just for grins. :D
 
I bought the taller front sight from S & S. It is dovetailed in as is the loading
Lever latch. Cost 18.00 I had to file about a 1/16 inch off to get it to shoot
Dead on at 25 yds. I've been shooting very low charges of Swiss. 12-15 grs
And a .454 ball. 12 grs shoots very good for me. My arthritis hand just won't
let me shoot anymore powder. Going out again today to do some more shooting.
Got 3weeks before the Nationals at Friendship. I'm going to try the revolver
Matches again this year. Got to get in practice.
 
Lunie, you got 45 grains of powder in an 1860 Army's chamber and still rammed the ball down getting .017 clearance? That's a nice big charge of powder. Like to see what kind of velocity and accuracy you and Kwhi are getting from that max charge. Maybe deer hunting territiory.
 
I bought the taller front sight from S & S. It is dovetailed in as is the loading
Lever latch. Cost 18.00 I had to file about a 1/16 inch off to get it to shoot
Dead on at 25 yds. I've been shooting very low charges of Swiss. 12-15 grs
And a .454 ball. 12 grs shoots very good for me. My arthritis hand just won't
let me shoot anymore powder. Going out again today to do some more shooting.
Got 3weeks before the Nationals at Friendship. I'm going to try the revolver
Matches again this year. Got to get in practice.
like Hellgate, I have a Euroarms Remmie that desperately needs a new front sight so I can actually aim at a target and not 24 inches below it. Do you remember the part number? S&S has something like 10 pages of sights, and I am not sophisticated enough in parts purchasing yet to know what the hell I'm looking for. I CAN swing a mean file though!
would that be the JA182 part number?
 
I'm surprised that they are holding 45 grns as well. I thought they (Colt) only held 40 with 3F and a ball...
 
Hmmm, 40 grains is a nice big charge also. Rodwha ever chrono that charge in your revolver?

That's the thing about the Colt, instead of holding low on any given target, I 'V' notched the hammer then place the front blade down in it dependent upon distance of that target. Messed up a couple time but just filled the 'V' notch back up with JB Weld and cut her again. I don't think that can be done with a Remmy.
 
I have not chrono'd any loads. Wish I had one though. I've seen a lot of conflicting velocities in regards to the loads of Triple 7, which is what I've been using, though I'm chompin' at the bit to try some Olde Eynsford.

Hodgdon' states 987 fps with 35 grns of 3F. Mike Beliveau got 1062 fps with 33 grns. I've read of some people getting much higher with full loads. I understand there can be some variances with the chronographs.
 
Lunie, you got 45 grains of powder in an 1860 Army's chamber and still rammed the ball down getting .017 clearance? That's a nice big charge of powder. Like to see what kind of velocity and accuracy you and Kwhi are getting from that max charge. Maybe deer hunting territiory.
That makes two of us!

Unfortunately, I don't own or have access to a chronograph.

As far as fitting so much in, it helps that I don't use lubed wads under the ball. (I don't use lube over the ball either.)
 
I suggest weighing that 45 grain charge first. The volume powder measures are notoriously inaccurate.
 
Mine holds powder and balls. ;)
I normally use my 38 grain spout.
Don't know how much it will hold.
I use lubed wads on top of that charge.

I wonder if the Italians are safe to use with a charge of 4f?
 
The only thing we're missing in this is the weight of a 451, 454, or 457 round ball. With that kind of velocity you may have some moderate to good energy figures.

And I failed to mention Kwhi, your Remington is probably the most beautiful Remington I have ever seen!!:)
 
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Mikeal, i agree with you that volume measures vary a good bit.But it does really mean anymore than what type or brand of powder you use either.30grs of goex is not anywhere near the same as 30 grs of swiss,or 777 or pyrodex.I the the original poster was just wanting an idea if there were much diffrences in cylinder size on peoples guns.To really know that you would need to have everyone use the same measure and the same type/brand of powder.Its an interesting discusion but prolly isnt going to be very accurate.Now weighing a charge and stateing what powder type you used would come a lot closer to showing something.
 
Thank you! I bought it last May at a gun show at our club for 85.00 Shot it
At the Nationals at Friendship last June and took a gold medal first in the
25 yd match. Going again in two weeks. It does shoot good. It has the
Lother Walther match grade barrel. Euroarms came this way with the ones
That have the front sight dovetailed in.
 
The Colt 3rd Dragoon took the 50 grain/3f charge with ease and had room to spare. It was a volume measure, I should check it against a scale weight charge.
 
Are you still talking about your Remington? As in .44... Would 5 grns even do much or have any accuracy? And does 10?
 
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