hirundo82
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GLG20 said:
Under the "Once a machine gun, always a machine gun" policy that the '68 GCA gave us, they couldn't have been sold anyhow.
What ever happened to all the service .45's when the military swithched to Berettas?
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Under the "Once a machine gun, always a machine gun" policy that the '68 GCA gave us, they couldn't have been sold anyhow.
langenc
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Posts #2 and #3 are perfect examples of forum postings..
180 degrees apart and both think they are absolutely correct.
180 degrees apart and both think they are absolutely correct.
Remo223
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that doesn't matter one bit. They can cut the receiver, remove the trigger mechanism and sell the rifle for parts. Someone will start producing replacement single fire receivers.
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Gulfport PD back in 99-00 received about 10 M14s for "parade duties". The only thing done to render them not full auto was they ground off the little hanging lever for select fire capability. Had a buddy that worked for the PD (RO) and he used a Leatherman to turn the switch and they were full auto! I only got 20 rounds out of one when I realized I had had enough. When they got these guns they came with extra mags still in the plastic with the paper wrap and date of inspection. Also came with the comic book instructions on how to care for your rifle. Pretty funny how a lot of the "comic" was "biased" you could say. These rifles were in excellent shape too BTW.
DCM is Director of Civilian Marksmanship. AFAIK, the office still exists but is no longer the Army agent for sale of surplus firearms to civilians. At one time, in order to get a surplus gun from the Army, you sent an application through the NRA. They certified that you were a member, which was a requirement, then forwarded the application to DCM. If the type of gun you applied for was available, they cashed the check and sent a request to the appropriate Army depot to ship the gun.
DCM itself never handled or even saw the thousands of guns that were sold that way. They had a small office on the first floor of the Pentagon, with a half dozen staffers and rows of filing cabinets.
Now on the M14's, since so much has been written that is wrong. The Army and ATTD (predecessor to BATFE) had worked out a deal. The Army, as the official manufacturer of the rifle (the contractors merely worked for the Army) would take M14's, weld up the selector, rename them "M14M" so they were no longer machineguns, and sell them through DCM. (That could still be done today if the political atmosphere changed.) At the same time, they were preparing to sell M1903A4 rifles with scope sights.
But what happened was Nov. 22, 1963. After that, the Secretary of the Army (a puppet of Lyndon Johnson) directed that M14 sales be halted (it had never actually begun) and that M1903A4 rifles be stripped of the scopes, the scopes broken up, and the lenses given to schools for "educational purposes". (No, I am not kidding; you can look it up in the old American Rifleman magazines.) A few M1903A4' with scopes had been sold before the ban, and they are scarce today. (Most on the market today were assembled using commercial scopes.) That is why there are plenty of M1903A4 rifles around but very few original scopes.
No one cared that there would be no "educational" value in old lenses; the whole thing was political, with Johnson working to placate the left wing and the Kennedy fans who believed (and some still do) that he had had JFK killed.
Jim
DCM itself never handled or even saw the thousands of guns that were sold that way. They had a small office on the first floor of the Pentagon, with a half dozen staffers and rows of filing cabinets.
Now on the M14's, since so much has been written that is wrong. The Army and ATTD (predecessor to BATFE) had worked out a deal. The Army, as the official manufacturer of the rifle (the contractors merely worked for the Army) would take M14's, weld up the selector, rename them "M14M" so they were no longer machineguns, and sell them through DCM. (That could still be done today if the political atmosphere changed.) At the same time, they were preparing to sell M1903A4 rifles with scope sights.
But what happened was Nov. 22, 1963. After that, the Secretary of the Army (a puppet of Lyndon Johnson) directed that M14 sales be halted (it had never actually begun) and that M1903A4 rifles be stripped of the scopes, the scopes broken up, and the lenses given to schools for "educational purposes". (No, I am not kidding; you can look it up in the old American Rifleman magazines.) A few M1903A4' with scopes had been sold before the ban, and they are scarce today. (Most on the market today were assembled using commercial scopes.) That is why there are plenty of M1903A4 rifles around but very few original scopes.
No one cared that there would be no "educational" value in old lenses; the whole thing was political, with Johnson working to placate the left wing and the Kennedy fans who believed (and some still do) that he had had JFK killed.
Jim
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Apparently they were good enough for COMSUBLANT
We had ten of them in the small arms locker on the 637 class boat I was on right up untill she was turned into razor blades in 2002.
Still had the tiny GI sights on them and owing largely to mags with week springs and stretched feed lips, they stove piped all the time.
The only consolation was that we also still had three M14s and three short barreled 870 pumps with a PG and underfolder (lot's of fun to shoot from the hip
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Starting with the LA class they got M9s and M16s
We had ten of them in the small arms locker on the 637 class boat I was on right up untill she was turned into razor blades in 2002.
Still had the tiny GI sights on them and owing largely to mags with week springs and stretched feed lips, they stove piped all the time.
The only consolation was that we also still had three M14s and three short barreled 870 pumps with a PG and underfolder (lot's of fun to shoot from the hip
)Starting with the LA class they got M9s and M16s
From what I was told years ago, by a gentleman who was very into military guns from all eras... this 1911 A1 was put together with an Essex frame and old military parts, and nickle plated. The slide is a Remington Rand and I'm assuming from what I was told the rest of the small parts were all surplus stuff. Had checkered military style grips on it when I got it. Obviously the Essex frame is of newer manufacture. Can't tell ya anymore than that, other than it shoots fantastic and seems to feed anything , including semi wad cutters and hollow points just fine. The tiny military sights aren't the best, but if I do may part, it's a great shooter.
mljdeckard
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When I switched out my 1911s for M-9s in 1993, I did some calling to see what would happen to them, hoping to buy a dozen frames. I was told by Anniston they would eventually be destroyed, none of them would be released to the public.
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