What exactly will loose primer pockets cause?

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I have reloaded on and off for many years, and evidently whatever calibers I have reloaded in the past didn't seem to present the problem of loose primer pockets, or I didn't re use the same brass enough to experiece a problem.

But now I'm reloading 223's for my new AR-15 for the first time, and I think I notice some pockets feeling loose after only one or two reloadings.(??) I keep hearing in some threads about how I need to toss this kind of "loose" brass.

Could you guys tell me what the signs or results will be when firing a cartridge that contains a "loose" primer in a widened pocket will be. Is it something obvious like gas blown back in my face, poor accuracy, pierced primers, or what!?
 
I reckon having a primer pop out a jamming the snot out of your rifle will muss up a range trip also.

Just a wild guess here but if you are getting that much stretch from your brass in ONLY a couple loadings, BUY a loading manual and stick within the listed loadings, it sounds like your loads are seriously HOT.

Oh yea all the stuff you mentioned will also happen :)
 
Federal 223 brass is one example of brass that experiences an enlarged primer pocket after only few reloads. That is why most people suggest strongly not use it for reloading. I have have good brass life with RP, WW, WWC, and LC brass. Then if it is not Federal brass I would confirm the loads you are using, as they are not pressure friendly.

To prove point on good brass, I have some 308 Lapua brass that I have shot a max charge of 45gr of Varget with 175 SMK. That lot of brass has 11 reloads on it or 12 firings as it was virgin to start. The brass looks great and the primer pockets are just as snug as the first loading. You get what you pay for.

Why do you think the military crimps the primer pocket? To avoid a primer screwing up a gun at an inopportune time!
 
TGT,

Loose primer pockets will permit gas to flow past the primer and burn/cut the face of your bolt.Many, including me object to this. If the pocket is loose enough, gas can escape past the bolt and burn the shooters face. Many of us find this even more undesireable that the cut bolt face. This is one of the more important reasons for wearing shooting glases when shooting. I don't know why, but bolts coming apart don't seem to poke out an eye as often as you would think it would. But it's rare that hot gases hitting an unprotected eye don't remove the sight from that eye. Now if you think wearing shooting glases diminishes your manly looks, that's up to you. Just don't join our club and shoot on our range please. Insurance is going up again.
 
Big Bob,

Yours sounds like the most logical explanation of what a loose primer causes.

When I logically thought about it, the cartridge is locked into the barrel, and the bolt firmly butted up right behind it. So I couldn't quite understand how a bolt is going to bind up, or a primer back out, or such other radical event take place. As you say, hot gasses cutting the bolt and escaping the chamber possibly into your face, makes much more sence to me.

An excessive high pressure "hot" load is going to cause trouble with any kind of a primer, loose or otherwise. (ie: stiff bolt, split case, flattened primer, etc) I know not to do this, as I've been reloading periodically over 30 years, and am well aware of the signs. But I don't think I've experienced so many loose pockets through the years with other calibers as I am with my new 223 loadings. (first time I'm loading 223)

My experience that I am referring to is with new UMC fired cartridges, that I have reloaded only once, and below the max loading I may add. It seemed to me the primers were slipping into the pocket fairly easy in these only once fired shells. Factory Winchester cartridges (Israel maunfacture)that are fired once, look to have flatter looking primers then the Remington brass. This tells me that Winchester cartridges are loaded to higher pressures then the Remington stuff. So as I get ready to reload the Winchester brass for the first time, I was concerned if the pockets will feel even worse then the Remington shells.

Anyway, I think the "loose" primer pockets I'm reporting may not be as loose as I seemed to think they were. I suppose when one is really "loose" .... I'll know it!

As far as wearing glasses.... no I don't wear them except for the first round or two of a max or near max loading that I'm not familiar with. Of the thousands of rounds I've fired over my lifetime, I've had one primer in a 22-250 cartridge blow gasses into my face and my eye about 30 years ago. Luckilly I suffered no injury except a red eye. It was a factory cartridge too!

I single load and weigh all my cartridges, and check the powder level in all 50 cases in the tray before seating the bullet. I think if you don't double load a case, or putting the wrong cartridge in the chamber, you've got slim chances of harm. (yea, blowing up a gun will require safety glasses) So I live life dangerously.

BTW, I'm in South Texas. The biggest threat we have to our safety here at our firing range is the lack of knowledge and the disregard for firearms safety. I have been at the range on numerous occassions when people who don't speak our language and look like they are handling a gun for the first time will take a shot or two out of the 12 shots in the magazine, and pass the pistol around to the next guy with the hammer still cocked and ready.

That sought of thing (and other stupidity) will get me long before another factory Remington 22-250 ever reoccures....and get me real BAD!
 
Loose primers is like those women's panties in WW2 with no elastic. The panties kept falling down around the girl's ankles at the worst times.

WHat does it all mean?
You don't want your primers falling out.
A good load gives lots of use before the primer pocket gets loose.


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