What fits in this case scenario?

[Kuyong_Chuin]

My nephew turned 18 in May and wants a new rifle but does not know exactly what rifle will fit his likes. He is small for his age, 5' 5" tall and 105 lbs. My Calvary Version 6.5 Carcano is a perfect fit in size for him.

He wants a light rifle and the Carcano is right at the right weight at just a hair over 6 lbs. He really dislikes bolt action rifles. He prefers in order a Semi, pump, or a lever action with detachable mag.

So I need some suggestions so he can look at some to fit his idea of his perfect deer rifle. Budget is $500.00 or less including scope. Must weigh close to 6 lbs, have light recoil, be 24 caliber or larger, around 16 1/2 inch barrel with detachable mag and can take a deer at at least 150 to 200 yards.

Preferably a semi auto or pump. What guns should I be looking for to fit in his perfect gun idea? He likes the Saiga 308 but it is too high, too heavy, and to much recoil in the 308. Probably a 243 would be about right for the recoil part.

 

[rcmodel]

All your criteria lead me to suggest a 30-30 lever-action Winchester or Marlin.

They are the perfect deer rifle for what you say the needs are.

Buying a semi-auto for a young persons first center-fire hunting rifle is not good judgment on anyone's part.

$300 - $400 tops, with some cash left over for enough practice ammo to maybe hit a deer when you finally get in the woods with it.

rc

 

[ColtPythonElite]

Remington 760

 

[Kuyong_Chuin]

Buying a semi-auto for a young persons first center-fire hunting rifle is not good judgment on anyone's part.

He has a center fire rifle but he just doesn't like it and I see why. His Dad bought it for him and it is too heavy, too long, and he can not handle the recoil of the 30-06 plus it is bolt action. He likes my uncles old 257 Roberts Remington 7600 but it is still a little long for him. If they made a 7600 carbine youth model with a synthetic stock in 243 he would be in hog heaven. He has a Rossi Matched Pair Youth Rifle/Shotgun Combo in 22LR and 410 also a 10/22 breakdown. He has been hunting since he was 12. All of his gun stay locked up unless we are going out to target practice or hunting and he doesn't have a key. It isn't that we don't trust him he wants it that way. He said that way if he has a friend over that wants to see any of his guns he can truthfully tell them he can't because he doesn't have the key and is only allowed to take them out for practice, and hunting.

 

[Jim Watson]

An extra stock for that 7600 and a date with the gunsmith to cut it off to fit him and install a soft recoil pad would do the job.

A Marlin X7Y or Savage Axis Youth .243 would be a good hunting rifle, short, light, and not too expensive.

I think the typical .30-30 is a nasty little gun to shoot. The narrow crooked stock and light weight just amplify the recoil.

 

[rcmodel]

I think the typical .30-30 is a nasty little gun to shoot

Dang guy!
Your experience has been a lot different then mine.

IMO: If you can't shoot a 30-30 lever-gun?

You probably should take up bow hunting or something.

My old friends and I have all gravitated downward over the years from 300 Mangle'ms and 30-06's to 30-30 carbines because they don't kick as hard or hurt as much.

rc

 

[Kuyong_Chuin]

An extra stock for that 7600 and a date with the gunsmith to cut it off to fit him and install a soft recoil pad would do the job.

A Marlin X7Y or Savage Axis Youth .243 would be a good hunting rifle, short, light, and not too expensive.

I think the typical .30-30 is a nasty little gun to shoot. The narrow crooked stock and light weight just amplify the recoil.

Yeah I just saw ATI makes an adjustable stock for the 7600. And we already tried my Model 94 Winchester 30-30 out on him. he likes the gun but not the kick of those 180 grain bullets I use for it. Since I have never fired a 243 I am working blind here but I figure it kicks about the same as my 6.5 and he can handle that better than the 30-30 (I think it is more of a stock issue than recoil). Plus 243 is about as light as you can go and still be over 24 caliber.

 

[AKElroy]

.30-30's are pussycats to shoot. But for your criteria, the detachable mag rules out a 94 or 336, so I'm going with remmy 760p. .308, shorter barrel, detachable mag. Pistol grip stock may be a plus for him.

 

[Jim Watson]

MY .30-30 is a bolt action and is a lot more pleasant to shoot than one of them cowboy thangs.

My idea of fun shooting is a .30-06 loaded to 30-30 ballistics. Or .32-40 equivalent.
The stock fit and recoil pad help a lot.

My idea of serious shooting is a 16 lb .308 with one of them brassiere things.
Or a .40-65 with a big squishy polyurethane slipon.
Prone on bipod or sticks; I am a pretty punk offhand shooter. And I don't hunt.

 

[Kuyong_Chuin]

I think you guys are right, we should be able to find a good used 7600 in 243 for him somewhere and add this stock to it and he will be a happy camper. REMINGTON_7600-Remington_7600_Tactical_Buttstock_With_Buttpad

Thanks all

 

[jim243]

The Savage Axis fits your set of criteria, a 243 would be very easy for him to deer hunt with and easy to shoot. It is about $375 to $419.00 with scope and camo stock. It is a bolt action rifle. Finding a semi-auto in a deer caliber within your price range will be impossible. The only one I can think of is a Remington 740 or 7400, but will be quite a bit higher new, you could look for a used one.

Jim

 

[crazyponie]

I know you have a $500 budget but, I think if you looked around a little and found a lightly used model 100 winchester in .243 you would have the perfect rifle for what you are needing. Semi-auto, box mag, light and 19" carbine. I have seen some fairly nice examples (.243) at gun shows for right around $500
It was also chambered in .308 and like mine .284. The .284 are a rarer breed and a little more pricey but, IMHO a great short to mid-range caliber. I took my first bull elk with it when I was 15yo. My 14yo daughter (all of 95lbs) has shot it without issue and wants me to start reloading for it so she can keep it up. My wife knows that it's the one rifle that will go in the dirt with me.

 

[oldpapps]

"My nephew turned 18 in May and wants a new rifle but does not know exactly what rifle will fit his likes. He is small for his age, 5' 5" tall and 105 lbs. My Calvary Version 6.5 Carcano is a perfect fit in size for him.

He wants a light rifle and the Carcano is right at the right weight at just a hair over 6 lbs. He really dislikes bolt action rifles. He prefers in order a Semi, pump, or a lever action with detachable mag.

So I need some suggestions so he can look at some to fit his idea of his perfect deer rifle. Budget is $500.00 or less including scope. Must weigh close to 6 lbs, have light recoil, be 24 caliber or larger, around 16 1/2 inch barrel with detachable mag and can take a deer at at least 150 to 200 yards.

Preferably a semi auto or pump. What guns should I be looking for to fit in his perfect gun idea? He likes the Saiga 308 but it is too high, too heavy, and to much recoil in the 308. Probably a 243 would be about right for the recoil part."

He's 18! At 18 I was playing at 'uncles' long term summer/winter camp and was issued selective fire weapons.

"small for his age, 5' 5" tall and 105 lbs" I met Elmer Keith at the 1980 NRA convention. Even with his high-keeled cowboy boots and big white hat, I was taller and I'm only 5-8. Mr. Keith would test fire M2s with his hands and was partial to very large and powerful rifles.

Get him what he wants, even if he has to kick in a little. Make him part of the process, he will be more pleased with what he wants than what others thinks he may want.

"6 lbs, have light recoil, be 24 caliber or larger, around 16 1/2 inch barrel with detachable mag and can take a deer at at least 150 to 200 yards." This sounds like an AR in 6.5 or 6.8 or 300 Blackout. Over budget but very much more versatile.

Ask your nephew, you may get a surprising response.

 

[Kuyong_Chuin]

"My nephew turned 18 in May and wants a new rifle but does not know exactly what rifle will fit his likes. He is small for his age, 5' 5" tall and 105 lbs. My Calvary Version 6.5 Carcano is a perfect fit in size for him.

He wants a light rifle and the Carcano is right at the right weight at just a hair over 6 lbs. He really dislikes bolt action rifles. He prefers in order a Semi, pump, or a lever action with detachable mag.

So I need some suggestions so he can look at some to fit his idea of his perfect deer rifle. Budget is $500.00 or less including scope. Must weigh close to 6 lbs, have light recoil, be 24 caliber or larger, around 16 1/2 inch barrel with detachable mag and can take a deer at at least 150 to 200 yards.

Preferably a semi auto or pump. What guns should I be looking for to fit in his perfect gun idea? He likes the Saiga 308 but it is too high, too heavy, and to much recoil in the 308. Probably a 243 would be about right for the recoil part."

He's 18! At 18 I was playing at 'uncles' long term summer/winter camp and was issued selective fire weapons.

"small for his age, 5' 5" tall and 105 lbs" I met Elmer Keith at the 1980 NRA convention. Even with his high-keeled cowboy boots and big white hat, I was taller and I'm only 5-8. Mr. Keith would test fire M2s with his hands and was partial to very large and powerful rifles.

Get him what he wants, even if he has to kick in a little. Make him part of the process, he will be more pleased with what he wants than what others thinks he may want.

"6 lbs, have light recoil, be 24 caliber or larger, around 16 1/2 inch barrel with detachable mag and can take a deer at at least 150 to 200 yards." This sounds like an AR in 6.5 or 6.8 or 300 Blackout. Over budget but very much more versatile.

Ask your nephew, you may get a surprising response.

Oh I know he likes the AR' s, AK' s, Saiga' s and other assault type rifles. But not only are they out of his budget he has been told by my Dad (his Grandfather) that as long as he lives in his house it is his rules, and he is not allowed to own an assault rifle till he is on his on or at least 25 and can pay for the whole gun by himself, (Which the way my nephew likes spending money he will never save enough to do that). I showed him a picture of a aftermarket tactical stock for the Remington 7600 pump and semi auto rifles that is adjustable plus has a recoil pad that I provided in the link above and he loves it. The local gun store had a few used Remington pumps and semi' s in the store the other day so we are going to run by there after he gets out of school tomorrow to see what calibers they have them in. I have to go to town anyways to have an EKG and blood work done before surgery Tuesday. By the way he has always been part of the process.

 

[Sun Tzu warrior]

How about a Savage model 170....... A pump rifle in 30-30.
IIRC the recoil wasn't bad, however I belive the one I owned, had a tube magazine like a pump shotgun, maybe a deal breaker.

 

[oldpapps]

I defer to a fellow grandfather's wishes.

My thoughts are with all having surgery, my best to you.

 

[HJ857]

How about the M1 Carbine? Not sure about scoping one though.