What goes into the sales price of a firearm in the US?

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For quite some time the price of new firearms seem to have had little relation with their actual costs to design and manufacture. I'm curious about reasons that might help to justify/explain the price differences between a firearm and a product requiring similar design, material, processing and selling expenses.

Here is what I have come up with so far. Does anyone here have any additions?

Insurance: I suspect the liability insurance/unit paid for by gun makers is rather high. Higher than construction related tools and equipment for instance.

Gov't Intervention: Were it not for gov't requirements and added costs, I suspect Glock 17 analogues built to the exact same product quality levels as Glocks themselves would be selling for under a hundred bucks per unit.

Sales/distribution: Costs are definitely higher here because almost all gun makers sell only through distributors in an attempt to limit liability exposure. There are also the added costs of dealing with BATFE requirements such as FFL to FFL transference.

Emotion-Driven Demand: Make no mistake, the demand for firearms has been hugely influenced over the past 8+ years by who holds what office, pending legislation, fear of new legislation, etc.

Lack of (Real) Competition: While there are a great many gun makers, there really isn't the sort of competition seen with other durable consumer goods. Look at what competition did to everything from computers, to lawnmowers to high-tech construction equipment where the competition is fierce. Lack of real competition exists for many reasons: existing companies don't want to get into what many Americans sadly believe is a "dirty" industry; many don't want to deal with compliance issues; many have done their homework and realize that small arms are ultimately a highly cyclical business.

There are two things that will appear to have a big impact on firearms prices in the coming few years. First, with the Trump victory comes some level of cooling to the buying craze of the last several years. Second, a great deal of what was future demand has already been satisfied. I would like to understand other opinions.
 
I would like to understand other opinions.
I hope so! :) Here's mine...

Insurance: I suspect the liability insurance/unit paid for by gun makers is rather high. Higher than construction related tools and equipment for instance.
I understand why that would seem true, but I wonder if it actually IS true. I'd be surprised if there's anything close to the amount of insurance (per unit, I suppose) needed to be paid by a gun manufacturer vs. say a car manufacturer or heavy equipment manufacturer. This, remember, would be largely limited to dealing with faulty/defective products and the damage caused by the product itself failing. The damage caused by a gun failing CAN include injury or death, but usually it doesn't and usually that damage is limited to one person, two at the most. The brakes of a car that fail and cause a multiple-vehicle accident with four or more deaths or life-altering injuries -- or a crane who's main hydraulic cylinder fails and collapses with its load into a mid-town street -- will cause enormous insurance settlements that make even a shooter's accidental death seem tiny in comparison. Think how rare it is for us for gun companies to be sued for the negligent or intentionally harmful USE of their products. So rare that it makes headlines, and indeed we have a federal law against such practices. People sue Ford and Chevy all the time and get settlements for pretty large sums. How many gun recalls have there been? How many cars or car part recalls? Woah...how much does THAT cost?

So, I'd like to see more proof of this one.

Gov't Intervention: Were it not for gov't requirements and added costs, I suspect Glock 17 analogues built to the exact same product quality levels as Glocks themselves would be selling for under a hundred bucks per unit.
What are the government requirements placed on gun makers that aren't placed on other manufacturers? What costs do they add?

Sales/distribution: Costs are definitely higher here because almost all gun makers sell only through distributors in an attempt to limit liability exposure. There are also the added costs of dealing with BATFE requirements such as FFL to FFL transference.
Yes, manufacturers sell through licensed dealers because they are required to by federal law. And they sell through distributors -- but I don't think that has anything to do with liability, but rather with how large-scale manufacturing and sales usually work. And if they were allowed to sell directly we'd probably see lower costs for some makers' products. But optics manufacturers and stock makers like MagPul can sell directly to you. Why are their direct sales costs often higher, and never cheaper, than what you can find through on-line dealers who handle their products? There's no reason that Ford can't sell you a new F150 directly. But they won't. Why not? Is the cost of an F150 off your dealer's lot more expensive than what Ford "should" be able to sell it to you directly?

Emotion-Driven Demand: Make no mistake, the demand for firearms has been hugely influenced over the past 8+ years by who holds what office, pending legislation, fear of new legislation, etc.
Just call this one "supply and demand". The reasons for that demand, or lack of it, don't matter. When there are 10,000 people who want a product and only 9,000 of that product to be had, the price will rise until enough buyers decide they don't want it that badly, and there the price will stabilize. When there are 9,000 people who want a product and there are 10,000 of that product on the shelf, prices fall until it is actually losing folks money to make and sell the thing. This is at least 50% of the reason for the cost you see for any item, whether that cost is higher or lower than the cost of production.

Lack of (Real) Competition: While there are a great many gun makers, there really isn't the sort of competition seen with other durable consumer goods. Look at what competition did to everything from computers, to lawnmowers to high-tech construction equipment where the competition is fierce. Lack of real competition exists for many reasons: existing companies don't want to get into what many Americans sadly believe is a "dirty" industry; many don't want to deal with compliance issues; many have done their homework and realize that small arms are ultimately a highly cyclical business.
Again, I have to respectfully disagree here. In fact, there's so much competition in the gun marketplace that it puts many other product areas to shame! How many polymer, striker-fired service autos do you have to choose from? How many bolt-action rifles -- with "SUBMOA" guarantees no less! -- do we have to pick from, all trying to hit the lowest price point feasible? Heck, the market in every category is so saturated with choices that you see manufactures trying to come up with the most ridiculous -- or innovative -- new ideas they can, to try to have something a bit less generic to offer the consumer. How about a tacticool-ed out Mossberg lever action .30-30? How about a BENT Taurus "Curve" subcompact autopistol? How about Remington trying to get into the carry gun market...risking millions of dollars on a product that doesn't even work right yet? How about the race to the biggest most T-Rex stomping revolver ever sold? This is not stuff invented because the gun market is stagnant, fat, lazy, and complacent. These are moves of desperation because of massive and cut-throat competition in a racing market.

How many companies will sell you a mid-priced sedan these days? How many will sell you an AR-15? Nobody's saying the car market is lacking in real competition.

There are two things that will appear to have a big impact on firearms prices in the coming few years. First, with the Trump victory comes some level of cooling to the buying craze of the last several years.
Yes, it probably will. Or could. Then again, the pressure wave of gun rights enthusiasm built up in preparation for a devastating political loss that didn't materialize has to go somewhere, and for many people, that will mean getting more shooting in. Especially if some of the new talked-about reforms come down the pipe. Think there won't be a lot of shiny new silencers showing up at the range if any of the new pro-silencer legislation (or anti-NFA legislation) succeeds? Think there won't be more folks (especially those of us who live near state borders) taking a new view of their concealed-carry gear and habits if national reciprocity somehow goes through?

Second, a great deal of what was future demand has already been satisfied.
I think I know what this might mean (people buying AR15s now because they feared they wouldn't be able to soon) but I don't know for sure. Please explain!
 
Gov't Intervention:

On the federal level there are none. You hear complaints from the gun control crowd that there are more controls on lawnmowers than firearms. And they are correct. In fact there are federal laws exempting gun manufactuers from meeting the same quality standards placed on other consumer products. The feds cannot force a manufacturer to recall a defective firearm, but they can do so with a car or any other product. Is a double edged policy.

There are federal restrictions as to caliber, barrel length, rate of fire, etc., and who can sell or purchase weapons. But very little oversight on how well built or safe they are. Most of the restrictions have been in place for almost 100 years and are hardly oppressive. Some may not make sense in 2016, but when written in the 1920's addressed specific issues.

I'd say competition is pretty fierce among gun manufacturers and always has been.

The one determining factor is the price consumers are willing to pay. The cost of manufacturing has very little to do with actual price. And that is true with many products. It costs more to produce the packaging on many consumer products costs more than the product inside. But as long as people are willing to pay the price it will sell.
 
In addition to what you've outlined, I can think of:

Overhead costs: rent / lease / mortgage, facility / equipment insurance, real estate taxes, fixed asset taxes, cost production equipment (purchase or lease), utilities, salaries, benefits, training, office equipment (purchase or lease), inventory costs, maintenance costs.

Equipment costs: tooling, fixtures, inspection equipment. Some costs are recurring like tooling as it has to be replaced.

Material costs.

Upgrade costs: facilities, computers, machinery, fixtures, inspection equipment.

Sales / advertising / marketing costs.
 
I think buckhorn has the answer.

What does it take to manufacture a firearm? A few cents worth of plastic and a fee dollars worth of steel? And a few hours worth of machine time? And the costs to buy and update machinery and production lines?

But what does it cost to maintain a business enterprise big enough to be a player on the national and international scale? To innovate and be equal or ahead of your competition, and your government? What does it cost to do the value engineering necessary to drive your costs down so you can be competitive? It can be pretty expensive to figure out how to make a good product cheaper. And so on.
 
One of the reasons it often costs more when buying direct is because those companies are protecting their bulk ( read as distributors or dealers ) buyers. The distros get the best prices, because they are buying pallet or truckloads at a time, dealer direct sales would be another price level where dealers are buying in bulk. Direct sales pay the highest price, typically at or near MSRP. At all levels onesy twosey buyer pay more.
 
I think R&D takes a huge chunk of the cost of a firearm whether it is for the development of current items and/or the future development of the next, great thing. I believe R&D is a huge cost in any manufacturing environment.

Tooling and equipment. Those machines have to produce products that have very small tolerances because the end result is a product that will not work properly or may cause death and/or serious injury. A gun firing out of battery is not a good thing, as we all know, and chambers and barrels that are out of spec can also create havoc. These machines and testing software are very costly.

Marketing and advertising is also very expensive. Those back covers in full color cost a fortune.

It all adds up when you also consider the profit margins for the distributor and retailer.
 
I understand why that would seem true, but I wonder if it actually IS true. I'd be surprised if there's anything close to the amount of insurance (per unit, I suppose) needed to be paid by a gun manufacturer vs. say a car manufacturer or heavy equipment manufacturer. This, remember, would be largely limited to dealing with faulty/defective products and the damage caused by the product itself failing. The damage caused by a gun failing CAN include injury or death, but usually it doesn't and usually that damage is limited to one person, two at the most. The brakes of a car that fail and cause a multiple-vehicle accident with four or more deaths or life-altering injuries -- or a crane who's main hydraulic cylinder fails and collapses with its load into a mid-town street -- will cause enormous insurance settlements that make even a shooter's accidental death seem tiny in comparison. Think how rare it is for us for gun companies to be sued for the negligent or intentionally harmful USE of their products. So rare that it makes headlines, and indeed we have a federal law against such practices. People sue Ford and Chevy all the time and get settlements for pretty large sums. How many gun recalls have there been? How many cars or car part recalls? Woah...how much does THAT cost?

I suspect most gun companies are sued on a regular basis. We don't read about product recalls or huge awards because most of the lawsuits are likely either summarily dismissed or they are settled -- and because they are bad publicity. That said there are still gravely expensive legal (and potentially settlement) fees involved. It would be interesting to know more about this.

What are the government requirements placed on gun makers that aren't placed on other manufacturers? What costs do they add?

Quite a few actually. I'm sure there are a number of competent off-shore manufacturers that could build Glock 17 semi-clones by the bushel and sell them inexpensively if: they were allowed to (not all are); if they could literally ship them to the US in Sea Train containers as they do other consumer products without having to track each unit from dock to the final sale.

Take a hard look at the Glock 17. A simple, watershed design. I don't know what Glock's current cost is but it was something like $85.00/unit. If they were built in China at the same product quality levels (some believe that low price must equate to low cost and that's simply not accurate) the cost/unit would be substantially less. Consider what such a unit could be sold for if it could just be sold at a simple display at Harbor Freight without FFLs, etc.

Just call this one "supply and demand". The reasons for that demand, or lack of it, don't matter. When there are 10,000 people who want a product and only 9,000 of that product to be had, the price will rise until enough buyers decide they don't want it that badly, and there the price will stabilize. When there are 9,000 people who want a product and there are 10,000 of that product on the shelf, prices fall until it is actually losing folks money to make and sell the thing. This is at least 50% of the reason for the cost you see for any item, whether that cost is higher or lower than the cost of production.

It's important to note why the demand outstrips supply. In this case it was largely due to emotion and emotions do change. They can change quickly and radically. Gun makers either couldn't (or wouldn't) do what it took to satisfy demand for quite some time. Now that emotions are changing (and some capacity has been incrimentally added), we are seeing dropping prices while we hear comments along the lines of "The purchasing of guns is no bubble. There has been a fundamental increase in the number of gun owners in the US and this trend will continue." Were that actually true we wouldn't see prices decreasing right now.

What's going to be absolute fascinating to watch is how gun manufacturers throttle production to keep sale prices high should the drop in demand continue. Will one of the big manufacturers really cut margins deeply in order to maintain (or even grow) volume? If that happens, watch out because most of the others will be forced to follow. This definitely would happen were there more real competition.

Again, I have to respectfully disagree here. In fact, there's so much competition in the gun marketplace that it puts many other product areas to shame! How many polymer, striker-fired service autos do you have to choose from? How many bolt-action rifles -- with "SUBMOA" guarantees no less! -- do we have to pick from, all trying to hit the lowest price point feasible? Heck, the market in every category is so saturated with choices that you see manufactures trying to come up with the most ridiculous -- or innovative -- new ideas they can, to try to have something a bit less generic to offer the consumer. How about a tacticool-ed out Mossberg lever action .30-30? How about a BENT Taurus "Curve" subcompact autopistol? How about Remington trying to get into the carry gun market...risking millions of dollars on a product that doesn't even work right yet? How about the race to the biggest most T-Rex stomping revolver ever sold? This is not stuff invented because the gun market is stagnant, fat, lazy, and complacent. These are moves of desperation because of massive and cut-throat competition in a racing market.

I'll disagree as well. Were there less barriers to entry, less gov't controls and less stigma about being in the business, I think firearms would be a great deal less expensive because manufacturers who currently don't make guns would get into the business.

How many companies will sell you a mid-priced sedan these days? How many will sell you an AR-15? Nobody's saying the car market is lacking in real competition.

There aren't more companies selling mid-priced sedans today because the barriers to entry are huge ($$$) and because margins are already razor thin (Honda has nowhere near the margin Glock enjoys.) I do agree though that AR15 assemblers (not manufacturers) will continue to exert heavy downward pricing pressure on the AR15 market which will hopefully impact.

What would really be interesting if some organization or individual came up with a design for something along the lines of a modular Glock 17 clone that was legal to produce and placed it in the public domain. If that happened and if entrepreneurs stepped-up to produce the constituent parts (particularly those that could not be 3D printed) to be assembled by others, the handgun market would feel the same pressures as the long gun market does today from the AR15 assemblers.

Yes, it probably will. Or could. Then again, the pressure wave of gun rights enthusiasm built up in preparation for a devastating political loss that didn't materialize has to go somewhere, and for many people, that will mean getting more shooting in. Especially if some of the new talked-about reforms come down the pipe. Think there won't be a lot of shiny new silencers showing up at the range if any of the new pro-silencer legislation (or anti-NFA legislation) succeeds? Think there won't be more folks (especially those of us who live near state borders) taking a new view of their concealed-carry gear and habits if national reciprocity somehow goes through?

The demand for guns is already cooling as evidenced by dropping prices. Yet there was still the looming dread about the impact of a potential Clinton victory that artificially drove sales to some extent. As that anxiety is reduced demand (and hopefully prices) will continue to drop.

Keep in mind the response by many to "the pressure wave of gun rights enthusiasm built up in preparation for a devastating political loss" was to buy more guns. Guns which has already been sold at this point. Guns which no doubt satisfied future demands

I think I know what this might mean (people buying AR15s now because they feared they wouldn't be able to soon) but I don't know for sure. Please explain!

Simple. People bought guns yesterday because they feared they wouldn't be allowed to buy them tomorrow. In some cases that was indeed people who would probably have never bought a gun to begin with. A far larger number are those that simply accelerated buying their gun "wish lists" which not only spiked past demand but also leaves a bit of a hole in future demand.
 
The manufactureing of firearms is actually protected more than the production of new cars. The arms companies are insulated from most liability by Federal law.

That's not true. Like all manufacturers of all products, gun makers cannot be held responsible for what people do with their non-defective guns. Just as Ford cannot be held responsible if someone drives drunk and kills someone with one of their vehicles, Colt cannot be held responsible if one of their guns is used to murder someone.

The legislation you mention came about because gun-control advocates were planning to sue all gun makers out of business. It does nothing but reaffirm existing law.
 
I am not a lawyer and I do not play one on TV. So I yielded to your legal training. I am laboring under the PLCAA rules of commerce regarding the sale and manufacturing of firearms. Yes, the law is fallible but unique in domestic and international laws regarding small arms. It is in place to protect arms companies from being destroyed.:)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Lawful_Commerce_in_Arms_Act
 
....Like all manufacturers of all products, gun makers cannot be held responsible for what people do with their non-defective guns. Just as Ford cannot be held responsible if someone drives drunk and kills someone with one of their vehicles, Colt cannot be held responsible if one of their guns is used to murder someone....
....I am laboring under the PLCAA rules of commerce regarding the sale and manufacturing of firearms. Yes, the law is fallible but unique in domestic and international laws regarding small arms. It is in place to protect arms companies from being destroyed....

The fact is that firearms manufacturers are to a large extent not liable for damages caused by the use of their products -- but neither are makers of cars, alcoholic beverages, tools, gardening equipment, machinery, pesticides, or pretty much anything else. And for every sort of maker of every sort of thing there are exceptions, i. e., circumstances under which a maker of something could be held liable for damages caused by the use of its product.

In essence, firearms manufacturers are being treated no differently than manufacturers of pretty much anything else. The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) essentially makes statutory the basic, pre-existing principles of enterprise liability for the use of products.

Of course there are exceptions. A maker of something which can be especially dangerous if not properly managed can be held liable if he fails to provide adequate information about how to handle the things safely; and that's the case whether it's a gun or a chainsaw. A car dealer can be held liable if he hands over the keys to an obviously drunk buyer and lets him drive off. If someone can show that an injury is caused by defective manufacture or design, the maker can be held liable --whether it's a gun or anything else. These exceptions are reflected in the PLCAA as far as guns are concerned.

But the car maker isn't liable when someone uses his car to kidnap someone, nor is the gun make liable when the illegal buyer uses the gun to rob a convenience store -- unless the evidence can establish some special basis for liability.
 
suspect Glock 17 analogues built to the exact same product quality levels as Glocks themselves would be selling for under a hundred bucks per unit.

:barf:
 
I suspect Glock 17 analogues built to the exact same product quality levels as Glocks themselves would be selling for under a hundred bucks per unit.

Well, if it were toasters, maybe.

However, gun making wants a lot of specialized machining, and the machinists to turn the product out.

And, actually, machine tool sales are probably more analogous to gun sales than anything else. People shopping for a lathe will have specific needs in mind, and will be influenced by additional features--along with being influenced by brand names with cachet. And, if you've never bought machine tools, the brand names can be confusing, too--what difference is there between SCMI and TimeSaver? (And, all tjat before dealing with NC versus CNC issues.)

The target "audience" for gun makers is particularly fickle, too. Probably not a huge demand for 25-2s or 625s this year (excepting the used/collector market, a different thing all together). Even Glock is up to a fourth generation for their product line. So, what happened to all the specific tooling for those other three generations (the dies used for casting polymers are ludicrously expensive).

Then, there's specific machining economies in production to consider. Suppose you wanted cut raised panel cabinet doors from slabs using CNC routers. For glued-up hardwood blanks, you could get by with $150 of carbide tooling at 200ips feed rates. But, if you use MDF blanks, you will wear out three sets of that tooling in just 5 days. You could reduce the feed rate to, say, 25ips--the tooling lasts a week, but the doors take eight times longer to make Now, you could shift over to diamond tooling. The tooling jumps uo to about $400 a set, but it will cut a week's worth of MDF doors. Oh, and the diamond tooling has awful results in hardwood, even going as low as 100ips (and you are not supposed to run the diamond tooling slower than that).

How much do I sell the cabinet for? Well, it doesn't matter, the sale price is going to have to be about $90/lf or none of the product sells enough to leave the factory open 5 days a week.
 
I suspect most gun companies are sued on a regular basis. We don't read about product recalls or huge awards because most of the lawsuits are likely either summarily dismissed or they are settled -- and because they are bad publicity. That said there are still gravely expensive legal (and potentially settlement) fees involved. It would be interesting to know more about this.
Of course folks sue them, any time they think they can prove the product was defective, just like they do the manufactures of any other product from toasters to nerf balls. I don't think, myself, that it would be sustainable to say that gun makers are sued more often, or for more money than manufacturers of other items. So this is a barrier to lower costs that would hit all products about equally.

What are the government requirements placed on gun makers that aren't placed on other manufacturers? What costs do they add?
Quite a few actually.
I'm sure there are a number of competent off-shore manufacturers that could build Glock 17 semi-clones by the bushel and sell them inexpensively if: they were allowed to (not all are); if they could literally ship them to the US in Sea Train containers as they do other consumer products without having to track each unit from dock to the final sale.
Ok, you said, "quite a few, actually," and then listed one. First off, we're going to need more than one to support the idea that there are "quite a few."

Setting that aside, you've made an interesting bit of a dichotomy here. If all these other competent off-shore makers could do this if it wasn't for pesky government regulations that make it just too hard, how is it that Glock, who IS, themselves, a competent off-shore maker, manages to do so? And SiG, HK, Tanfoglio, CZ, Steyr, the various Turkish makers, Beretta, and so on? You very well may have a point but you're going to need to provide much better specifics about WHO is precluded from doing this, and by what laws or regulations.

I'll give you one starting point, the GCA'68 provision on handgun import criteria, found at Title 18 U.S.C. §925(d)(3). However, it makes a lot of sense to note that your main example through all this, the Glock 17, IS made overseas, and IS importable, and IS extremely successful and profitably by any measure. Why is Glock not subject to your scrutiny in the same way that these other hypothetical makers are?

If they were built in China at the same product quality levels (some believe that low price must equate to low cost and that's simply not accurate) the cost/unit would be substantially less. Consider what such a unit could be sold for if it could just be sold at a simple display at Harbor Freight without FFLs, etc.
Don't know if this is a tangent you want to explore, but consider cordless drills. Sure, you can buy A cordless drill at Harbor Freight for $100 or less. But you certainly won't buy one that's at all close to the same product quality level as, say, a Miluakee or Bosch model you'd find at a major builders' center. There are no government restrictions or federally licensed dealers jacking up the prices for those cordless drills. Why doesn't Harbor Freight sell you a drill as good as a Milwaukee?

It's important to note why the demand outstrips supply. In this case it was largely due to emotion and emotions do change. They can change quickly and radically. Gun makers either couldn't (or wouldn't) do what it took to satisfy demand for quite some time.
Ok, true, though I'd say that the gun industry managed to shift pretty well considering the shocks to the system and found various momentary equilibrium points along the last few years within a year of each big shock. The exception being .22 LR for reasons that are both clear and baffling.

Now that emotions are changing (and some capacity has been incrimentally added), we are seeing dropping prices while we hear comments along the lines of "The purchasing of guns is no bubble. There has been a fundamental increase in the number of gun owners in the US and this trend will continue." Were that actually true we wouldn't see prices decreasing right now.
Well, sure, we'll always see prices rise and fall somewhat based on all sorts of pressures from politics to the economy. Whether gun buying really has been in a (capital letters) BUBBLE or whether it has been in a "bubble-ish" rise that will largely continue though not at quite the meteoric rates of some of the last few years -- all remains to be seen.

What's going to be absolute fascinating to watch is how gun manufacturers throttle production to keep sale prices high should the drop in demand continue. Will one of the big manufacturers really cut margins deeply in order to maintain (or even grow) volume? If that happens, watch out because most of the others will be forced to follow. This definitely would happen were there more real competition.
Well, except in a command economy like the Soviet Union's, every manufacturer does their level best to set production goals to not exceed demand, or by very little if possible. Nobody wants to see their products' values tank because they made so many that nobody will pay much for one. Again, day one in economics class. Growing volume in the face of falling demand is simple economic suicide and it would be blatant malfeasance of shareholders' funds for a company to do such a thing.

Again, I have to respectfully disagree here. In fact, there's so much competition in the gun marketplace that it puts many other product areas to shame! How many polymer, striker-fired service autos do you have to choose from? How many bolt-action rifles -- with "SUBMOA" guarantees no less! -- do we have to pick from, all trying to hit the lowest price point feasible? Heck, the market in every category is so saturated with choices that you see manufactures trying to come up with the most ridiculous -- or innovative -- new ideas they can, to try to have something a bit less generic to offer the consumer. How about a tacticool-ed out Mossberg lever action .30-30? How about a BENT Taurus "Curve" subcompact autopistol? How about Remington trying to get into the carry gun market...risking millions of dollars on a product that doesn't even work right yet? How about the race to the biggest most T-Rex stomping revolver ever sold? This is not stuff invented because the gun market is stagnant, fat, lazy, and complacent. These are moves of desperation because of massive and cut-throat competition in a racing market.

I'll disagree as well. Were there less barriers to entry, less gov't controls and less stigma about being in the business, I think firearms would be a great deal less expensive because manufacturers who currently don't make guns would get into the business.
Based on what?

I see the barriers to entry as almost the same as any other consumer product. You're going in against LONG established big-name brands. You've got millions, or billions, to invest in setting up to make this thing while simultaneously launching yourself as a quality, interesting, exciting, innovative, and also trust-worthy brand so people will go out and buy one. I think most gun guys pretty much see the market as completely saturated and there's even a bit of a backlash when YET ANOTHER!!! danged pistol comes out on the market, or YET ANOTHER!!! new hot rifle cartridge, or YET ANOTHER!!! company puts out a super-sniper-special-tactical whatever. And on and on. I can only imagine that market researchers and advisers for companies looking to expand and invest in new areas look at the gun world as a medium-sized pond already jammed full of fish, big and small.

And even so, we've seen a bunch of makers start up with various gun lines in the last 10 or so years. Diamondback, SCCY, Sphinx, Rock River, Rock Island, STI, and more.

What would really be interesting if some organization or individual came up with a design for something along the lines of a modular Glock 17 clone that was legal to produce and placed it in the public domain. If that happened and if entrepreneurs stepped-up to produce the constituent parts (particularly those that could not be 3D printed) to be assembled by others, the handgun market would feel the same pressures as the long gun market does today from the AR15 assemblers.
Hmmm. Well, there are companies that make aftermarket Glock frames upon which you can build your own, but I agree it would be cool to see sort of an AR lower, or Stemple gun version of a Title 1 handgun where you buy one small part and build it into whatever you want.

Simple. People bought guns yesterday because they feared they wouldn't be allowed to buy them tomorrow. In some cases that was indeed people who would probably have never bought a gun to begin with. A far larger number are those that simply accelerated buying their gun "wish lists" which not only spiked past demand but also leaves a bit of a hole in future demand.
Ah ha! But that assumes that a gun you bought yesterday is a gun you WON'T buy tomorrow. I don't know many gun guys who really work that way. Most folks I talk to seem to feel that a gun they bought yesterday helps make a cozy nest to welcome home all the guns they'll buy next! :)

But that is truly something I don't know. How many guns sold today represent sales that won't happen tomorrow? Guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
What are the government requirements placed on gun makers that aren't placed on other manufacturers? What costs do they add?

1. ITAR registration and compliance.
2. A "special" (as in unique to the manufacture of firearms) 10% Federal tax on every new gun manufactured.
3. Threats of litigation (endorsed and supported by antis in the government) that involve product liability that no other industry in the nation faces. i.e. they don't sue Ford when somebody buys one of their cars and then uses it to run over and kill people in a crowd.
 
Only two things affect price:
1. Supply
2. Demand

Now cost is another question and is addressed in many of the replies.
 
umm....perhaps maybe a very large part of the cost is....profit??

I do like how our beloved Fed gov. rails against firearms manufacturers...but are perfectly morally conflicted by taking a 10% tax off of it. Much like cigs & tobacco
 
What are the government requirements placed on gun makers that aren't placed on other manufacturers? What costs do they add?

1. ITAR registration and compliance.
Good one, yes. Though for a big manufacturer it seems to be a very small fee, relatively speaking.

2. A "special" (as in unique to the manufacture of firearms) 10% Federal tax on every new gun manufactured.
Ok. (Actually, 10% on handguns and 11% on other "portable" weapons like rifles and shotguns.)

There is also a sizable excise tax on making alcohol, and yet, there are vast numbers of breweries, wineries, and distillers, and there aren't hundreds of new ones popping up in every state all the time. So, while it must contribute to the end cost, it don't think it can count as any sort of barrier to entry for competition.

3. Threats of litigation (endorsed and supported by antis in the government) that involve product liability that no other industry in the nation faces. i.e. they don't sue Ford when somebody buys one of their cars and then uses it to run over and kill people in a crowd.
Well we discussed that quite a bit above and we said that there really aren't more than rumors and threats of such suits since there's a federal law that precludes such shenanigans. So actual lawsuits seem to be limited to defective product liability.
 
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For quite some time the price of new firearms seem to have had little relation with their actual costs to design and manufacture.
Are you privy to such information or are you just assuming?

The cost to actually manufacture a single unit is one thing. Building, equipping and maintaining the facility where this can be done efficiently is quite another. It's real easy to say they only put $100 into a firearm that sells for $500 when you don't factor in a 200 million dollar manufacturing facility with thousands of employees.

As far as cutting out middle men, it's simply not possible. Someone has to distribute and someone has to sell and all those folks have to make profit. Folding them under the manufacturer isn't going to save anyone any money because SOMEONE still has to perform those duties.
 
The big bit is its a durable good and most people only buy one or two and are good for life so production numbers aren't super super high, and then there is liability this is something that can quite literally explode in your face if not built right
 
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