What gun company/ies will not be around in 10 years?

[bubbaturbo]

I don't want any company to go under. That sucks. More companies more guns means cheaper guns all around.

I sure agree with that. I just wish they were all run by their owners in a way that will allow them all to stay in business.

 

[barnetmill]

If you are going to predict what company fails you also have to look at their finances and leadership which is just if not even more important than the products that they produce. Look at the demise years ago of high standard that made excellent products.

POS Glocks

That is my laugh for the day.
But even the economical High Point will be around for a long while. But jennings which was produced by: Bryco Arms went into bankruptcy in 2003 as a result of losing a lawsuit. Unless you have good detailed information about a company yours and buddy's opinion is likely not going to be very predictive of that company's fate.

 

[Vyacheslav]

since we are angering fanboys here, i might as well join the party and say pos HKs

 

[ADKWOODSMAN]

Guns I have purchased lately--Bonds .45/.410. Rem 750, Rem .280.

I hope they stay around and keep making fine guns.

As a mid 60 year old I'm still buying and will purchase smaller guns in the future.

A S&W bodyguard .380 will be next.

 

[ShawnC]

since we are angering fanboys here, i might as well join the party and say pos HKs

Them's fightin' words! My first gun, and the one I carry to this day is a USP full size 40!

 

[Jaymo]

Don't like the looks, the grip angle, the grip shape, nor the trigger pull of Glocks.
And contrary to fanboy pandering, I've seen more than enough Glocks gagging on factory ammo at the range to keep me fro ever buying one.
Every Taurus I've ever owned has been 100% reliable. That said, I haven't bought one since I got my Judge about 3 years ago.
Charter? They've been around since the 60s. Charco and Carter 2000 were bad times for them. Then again, plenty of good gunmakers have had bad times and bad ownership.
The Charters I own from before and after those times are good guns. They're no early Colt Pythons nor prewar Smiths, but then again, Neither are current Colts or Smiths.
Marlin? Really? Sure am glad I bought my lever actions when I did.
I would think Cobra or Sky(?) would jump the shark.
Doesn't Cobra make that cheap copy of the Smith 642?

I would think some of the AR makers would go, since it's a saturated market.
Remington has a strong enough following, with it's 700 and 870, not to mention ammo, to stay around.
I don't care if people like Glocks. If a Glock appeals to you and works for you, great.
But the Glock fanboy bashing of other brands (and acting as if Glocks are perfect) is too much like what you see on arfcom.

So, is American Derringer still around, or is my AD model 1 a "collectible"?

 

[oneounceload]

Does Remington make much money from ammo and other accessories they make ( or put there name on)?

Currently, the US market for shotgun ammo alone is 1.2 billion rounds per year and Remington is a major player in that segment - I don't have the figures for metallic

 

[oneounceload]

And that, my friend, will be a sad, sad time. When I went to the Arrizabalaga factory a couple of years ago, they were already talking about how many of the gun makers in the Eibar region had already closed their doors. The other thing I really noticed is that there were absolutely no young people working there. They were all older. No apprentices learning the trade from what I could see.

FWIW, I loathe the idea of Beretta absorbing the small guys.

Absolutely - gun writer friend just toured AyA - 25 employees turning out 250 guns per year - and they are the healthiest as they produce parts for the others - Arrietta, Arrizabalaga, Grulla, etc - they are ALL hurting right now. At one time AyA had 500 employees turning out thousands of guns per year. No telling how H&H or Boss does it.

One thing about Beretta - they generally leave their subsidiaries alone and offer general costs reductions in areas like marketing and administration

 

[JERRY]

Charter Arms. theyve shown themsleves to go under more than once because they have a habbit of putting out crap more often than the other gun companies, but charge as much as the others for it.

 

[Kliegl]

People that bash HKs....can't afford them.

 

[barnetmill]

Jaymo: I've seen more than enough Glocks gagging on factory ammo at the range to keep me fro ever buying one.

Did the gagging glocks still have factory or after market parts on them, particularly the barrels. After market barrels often are not reliable in the Glock. Our local IDPA people prefer glocks and other groups such as Suarez International consider them the AK of handguns. If you say you saw it then it must of happened even though I have not seen that or experienced it yet with my three glocks except when I put a 9mm barrel on a .357 sig which would not always eject some brands of 9mm ammo. But my one failure was not the OEM setup, but the after market barrel barrel that was to blame along with a caliber conversion. Never had a problem so far with factory 9mm Ammo in 9mm glocks.

 

[Ian Sean]

I am hoping cerberus group is no longer around in 5 years. Breaking back up into several quality manufacturors is better than being one big monolithic crap manu.

I'll second this, quality of everything they have their mitts on is starting to slip.....kind on reminds me of the AMF years when they owned Harley Davidson.

 

[firemanstrickland]

HA! well, i will say one thing. Glock will never go out of business!!! You boys get testy when someone says something about your sacred glock huh......WOW. It doesnt matter how many first hand bad experiences I or anyone else has had with them, you will still love your glocks. HEy I have an idea! Lets ask the proffesionals!!! say mister navy seal, mister true american bad a$$, mister most elite warrior in the WORLD. How does your SOCOM glock shoot? Whats that you say?!?! YOU dont carry a G-L-O-C-K!!!! But why not!?!? All of the police men do!!!

 

[firemanstrickland]

and to the taurus haters, i personally own a taurus 1911 and ,357 snubbie and neither one has EVER failed to go bang, EVER. Although I have had ftf and or fte out of my S and W m and p .40, and springfield xdm 9mm

 

[MikeNice]

If Heritage keeps up the crap and doesn't fix their QC issues, they might not do well. I have one and mine seems to be fine, but I hear people say they have a lot of issues.

This is the first I've heard of complaints. I know of people with over 1,000 rounds of .22mag down range and no issues.

I don't know anybody that owns one of their medium or big bore guns. So, my knowledge base is admittedly small.

 

[thefamcnaj]

I would say charter arms has a chance to be gone.
Taurus has a good chance to be gone unless they improve they QC.
Many small time players in the ar market could easily be gone.
If enough people pay 1000+ dollars for a "finniky" 1911 and are sore about it, Kimber could be gone.
Colt is a tough call. With the military contract not being exsclusive anymore then their rifle division will suffer. They have nothing new and interesting on the public market(unless you consider the rail gun new and exciting) and with the economey still not improving and so many jobs leaving the country, whose going to have the money to buy their exspensive 1911's.

 

[barnetmill]

Another aspect of the future of gun companies is that right now we are in a golden age for gun sales. Sales of everything except NFA weapons can occur in most places with at the most a 2 wk waiting period and in most places a lot less. In FL with a CCW I walk out the door with a handgun within minutes of paying the money.
Eventually the rate of sales will decline and some companies will loose out. For Joe Average how many guns does he want and feel that he needs? Obama et al. did not outlaw guns and the panic buying associated with the fact of his election will wane. I myself am trying to consciously purchase fewer guns. I have cut back my rate of buying, but there is always a project that comes up.
I think the makers of pocket pistol will get hurt the most since now everybody and his brother is out there making small .380's and 9mmx19's. And every body and his brother is out there making .40 cal pistols ( don't own one myself) but I do not know if any of them are likely candidates for business failure. It is estimated that is roughly 14,000,000+ guns were purchased last year. That rate of consumption will not likely be continued. For me most of my money will be going for ammo and accessories.

For not having failures with glocks and most other guns I must be very lucky because I have frequently purchased things like glocks and other guns and have had problems only with Keltec pistols which are easily fixed. By the way everybody and his brother is copying Keltec pistol concepts, but with their new innovative rifle and other innovations I think they will continue in business for some time.

 

[Spartan Gladiator]

I was wondering if this question was posed for investment purposes or just because? I dont want any to close but there are some manufactures I wouldnt even take a free weapon from.

 

[Ignition Override]

If it happened to Auto-Ordnance, it might not surprise me.

My first gun purchase was their product, bought brand-new in '07.
It was sold after the free factory repair to the jammed bolt (imitation M-1 Carbine).

In stark contrast to that piece of US-made junk (after 150 rounds), I'll buy "Commie junk" any day, and use it for years (2,000+ rds. so far in my SKS).

 

[Old Dog]

People that bash HKs....can't afford them

Totally NOT true.

I'll freely bash H&Ks ... know why they lost such a huge portion of the U.S. LE market? Because their factory support sucked. Wanna know how I know? Several of our state agencies were issued H&Ks for a several years ... until the pistols started wearing out and breaking, spare parts ran out, the factory support become non-existent and finally the company let us know it cared no longer about the LE market in our country.

Beginning to think Americans only buy H&Ks 'cause they cost so much (kinda like thinking you're cool because you just spent 60 grand on a four-cylinder German sports car) ... Best $450 pistols that actually retail for $950 out there!

 

[cacoltguy]

All of the American gun companies will be around in ten years, albeit they will probably be owned and controlled by our future masters the Chinese. Hopefully they will kill off a couple dozen AR manufacturers as the market for mall ninja guns is saturated to the point of absurdity.

 

[Sav .250]

When product quality falls off..........so do the customers.

 

[firemanstrickland]

to ignition overide: I understand your opinion and respect it but I must say, dont let auto-ordanance be a testament to the quality of american firearms. Maybe thats just a bad example of an american company.....

 

[husbandofaromanian]

If a certain president gets reelected guns sales should continue to be strong. In my opinion, guns will get cheap and US manufacturers will go out of business when China decides to manufacture them for the US market.

 

[GlockFan]

I was wondering if this question was posed for investment purposes or just because?

I was just curious to see others opinions. I am surprised by some of the responses though...Remington!

As a side note i just got my gssf membership and hope to pick up one of those POS G19s at discount soon.