wyocarp
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Is that a first from a moderator?
I might use a gun for food but I won't sell one for food.
I WILL need a good Red Ryder wagon to pull a gun safe with though.
What handgun if you were homeless?
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Is that a first from a moderator?
I might use a gun for food but I won't sell one for food.
I WILL need a good Red Ryder wagon to pull a gun safe with though.
Seven For Sure
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S&W J frame or Kahr PM9. Something that could be hidden very well and have cheap, easy to obtain ammo. I disagree with many so far here. My safe would be gone, all my long guns and all my handguns would be gone but one. I'd be more willing to go unarmed in my current situation than if I were homeless. Those poor folks have rough lives. This brings up a lot of uneasy feelings for me. Right now (as always) I'm financially stable. I realize that could change for a number of reasons any day. I truly fear not having a secure place to sleep at night.
Remember, "fear the man with one gun". I believe that and have been looking for that one gun while I can for the last 15 years. Maybe this thread has pointed that gun out to me like I had'nt seen before?
Remember, "fear the man with one gun". I believe that and have been looking for that one gun while I can for the last 15 years. Maybe this thread has pointed that gun out to me like I had'nt seen before?
DSAPT9
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I am sad to say with the economy the way it is and the direction our government seems to be going I have actually thought about this type of scenario for a while but I have mixed emotions. I have 2 choices first is my tried and true Glock 19. I agree with others it is light, works with everything I have shot through it and is very low maintenance. The next choice I have is a Ruger MKII 4 in bbl 22lr. Weight is about the same but less noise and better for small game.
But to answer the question I am a country boy so if I am homeless in a large city as the question states the Glock wins out. I don’t have big city street smarts so I want to be better prepared until I acquire them.
But to answer the question I am a country boy so if I am homeless in a large city as the question states the Glock wins out. I don’t have big city street smarts so I want to be better prepared until I acquire them.
KBintheSLC
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I agree... if I lost my job and my home, I might consider packing up the car and camping out for a while. In that case, a .22 rifle and a water filter will sustain me for a long time.
Carl Levitian
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Being a born and bred city boy, I think I'd take a Smith and Wesson model 317.
Having roamed the city, I think the light weight and concealability is of very high importance. But just as high, is can the gun also get you food. If I were homeless in my hometown of Washinton D.C., I could load the revolver with standard velocity shorts or CB caps for plinking off squirrels or pidgeons in Rock Creek park, or down along the Annocostia river bottom. Then loaded up with some good CCI ammo, it will do if pressed into SD duty at night while trying to sleep someplace. Any danger from two legged preditiors will be from other homeless trying to rip off my own stuff.
I feel the alloy revolver will stand up to the elements better with little maintance. It can be wrapped in some plastic bags and burried or stashed if need be. Most times durring daylight I wouldn't want it on me, I'll make do with a stick/cane. No laws to worry about then.
But I don't think I'd really bother with a gun if I were homeless. Too much of a hastle. What I really would like is probably a nice Webley air pistol that I can shoot a pidgeon with and not alert the whole nieghborhood. With a little salt, pepper, paprika, roasted over a fire, it tastes as good as a Cornish game hen.
Yeah, I'll take a good air pistol. Final answer.
Having roamed the city, I think the light weight and concealability is of very high importance. But just as high, is can the gun also get you food. If I were homeless in my hometown of Washinton D.C., I could load the revolver with standard velocity shorts or CB caps for plinking off squirrels or pidgeons in Rock Creek park, or down along the Annocostia river bottom. Then loaded up with some good CCI ammo, it will do if pressed into SD duty at night while trying to sleep someplace. Any danger from two legged preditiors will be from other homeless trying to rip off my own stuff.
I feel the alloy revolver will stand up to the elements better with little maintance. It can be wrapped in some plastic bags and burried or stashed if need be. Most times durring daylight I wouldn't want it on me, I'll make do with a stick/cane. No laws to worry about then.
But I don't think I'd really bother with a gun if I were homeless. Too much of a hastle. What I really would like is probably a nice Webley air pistol that I can shoot a pidgeon with and not alert the whole nieghborhood. With a little salt, pepper, paprika, roasted over a fire, it tastes as good as a Cornish game hen.
Yeah, I'll take a good air pistol. Final answer.
as one that has been there,ID say none ,if your caught with a gun you'll have a home all right in the county,a nice walking stick is best ,but being this is fantasy id go to the sierra Nevada's and pan for gold with a Nice little 22lr of some sort..
Joe Demko
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City pigeons and squirrels are so ridiculously easy to trap that the very idea of needing a gun to harvest them is laughable. I'd need to be damned hungry before I'd eat one of the filthy germ-bags, though.
Also hilarious is making choices based on inexpensive ammo. Just how much shooting do you think you are going to be doing? Since the only remotely realistic reason you'd even have the gun is self-defense, a single cylinder or magazine full would constitute plentiful ammo. Where I live, you virtually never hear about the homeless getting into firefights.
If I was homeless and had a gun, I'd sell it and use the money for some presentable clothes, toiletries, and a haircut. The bare-bones necessities, you see, to get a job and start down the road to not being homeless.
Also hilarious is making choices based on inexpensive ammo. Just how much shooting do you think you are going to be doing? Since the only remotely realistic reason you'd even have the gun is self-defense, a single cylinder or magazine full would constitute plentiful ammo. Where I live, you virtually never hear about the homeless getting into firefights.
If I was homeless and had a gun, I'd sell it and use the money for some presentable clothes, toiletries, and a haircut. The bare-bones necessities, you see, to get a job and start down the road to not being homeless.
CoRoMo
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I just now realized that the title says 'handgun'. I guess that nullifies my previous post.
Therefore, I'd say Marlin XXX .30cal Rimfire revolver, now that ammo is obsolete.
Therefore, I'd say Marlin XXX .30cal Rimfire revolver, now that ammo is obsolete.
Schofield3
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Carrying a gun as a homeless person is difficult since you are sure to get hassled by the cops all the time. Having a gun will get you tossed in jail (at least you'd have a roof over your head). Also, homeless shelters won't allow guns so you would have to sneak them in and then you would have to risk it being stolen or found.
The last gun I'd give up is my 1911 but more likely, I'd carry a knife rather than a gun. If I did decide to acquire one, I'd get something small and cheap so I could stash it somewhere and it wouldn't matter so much if it got found or stolen.
Carrying a gun as a homeless person is difficult since you are sure to get hassled by the cops all the time. Having a gun will get you tossed in jail (at least you'd have a roof over your head). Also, homeless shelters won't allow guns so you would have to sneak them in and then you would have to risk it being stolen or found.
The last gun I'd give up is my 1911 but more likely, I'd carry a knife rather than a gun. If I did decide to acquire one, I'd get something small and cheap so I could stash it somewhere and it wouldn't matter so much if it got found or stolen.
PhiloebeddoUSA
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How many homeless folks are armed percentagewise?
What a thread title.
The pistol would definitely take a beating with all the travel and whatnot.
Any good .38 revolver would be my pick for the reliability factor.
The question does make me wonder.....
What percentage of the homeless folks out there actually have a gun on them?
What a thread title.
The pistol would definitely take a beating with all the travel and whatnot.
Any good .38 revolver would be my pick for the reliability factor.
The question does make me wonder.....
What percentage of the homeless folks out there actually have a gun on them?
SharpsDressedMan
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Something stainless, with waterproof ammunition. Those cardboard boxes only shed so much........maybe in .22LR so I could shoot rats and eat them. I'm pretty sure the cops would take it away from me, though. They frown on shooting rats in the city limits....
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jackstinson: "One is more concerned with food, what bridge is safe to sleep under, and how to get out of the situation asap (unless one is homeless by lifestyle choice). The $18 spent on a box of .38's would buy food for a week."
Your argument presumes the homeless person (recall my description of the "technically homeless" seasonal loggers in rural Maine) is desperately poor -- many are not -- and hungry -- which few or none are. "Feeding the homeless" is a particular favorite piece of liberal nonsense. The homeless don't need food. Would they propose relief to house the hungry?
The reason that the "technically homeless" are such isn't because they have no income or assets; it's because they are mobile, or drift from temporary job site to temporary job site, working under the table for cash, and have no credit for a house or even a decent apartment -- which they would then have to maintain at their expense while away for months at a time. It's easier for them to live out of cars, or even in abandoned cars, or squat in tent camps or even to work as caretakers, or to squat, in camps/seasonal homes. These homeless folks have guns, as well as other significant assets.
Your argument presumes the homeless person (recall my description of the "technically homeless" seasonal loggers in rural Maine) is desperately poor -- many are not -- and hungry -- which few or none are. "Feeding the homeless" is a particular favorite piece of liberal nonsense. The homeless don't need food. Would they propose relief to house the hungry?
The reason that the "technically homeless" are such isn't because they have no income or assets; it's because they are mobile, or drift from temporary job site to temporary job site, working under the table for cash, and have no credit for a house or even a decent apartment -- which they would then have to maintain at their expense while away for months at a time. It's easier for them to live out of cars, or even in abandoned cars, or squat in tent camps or even to work as caretakers, or to squat, in camps/seasonal homes. These homeless folks have guns, as well as other significant assets.
Joe Demko
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That's twice you told us about these people. Now, since you are clearly our resident expert on this (and many, many other things) why don't you give us some figures on what percentage of the homeless population they constitute. I'm sure you have citations handy to back up your confident assertions.
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Joe Demko: "That's twice you told us about these people. Now, since you are clearly our resident expert on this (and many, many other things) why don't you give us some figures on what percentage of the homeless population they constitute. I'm sure you have citations handy to back up your confident assertions."
Do your own research. I encounter them in the woods from time to time, and in other places, and have even represented some -- not all as court-appointed counsel. I find them interesting, and their existence, their survival and their comparative success compels reconsideration of several general assumptions about homeless people -- as well as a couple of other things. One even showed me the way to something I had been looking for in the woods. As to "citations" -- homeless people, tax evaders and petty criminals generally don't blog. But I once saw one who lived in a Citation.
Do your own research. I encounter them in the woods from time to time, and in other places, and have even represented some -- not all as court-appointed counsel. I find them interesting, and their existence, their survival and their comparative success compels reconsideration of several general assumptions about homeless people -- as well as a couple of other things. One even showed me the way to something I had been looking for in the woods. As to "citations" -- homeless people, tax evaders and petty criminals generally don't blog. But I once saw one who lived in a Citation.
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A Wilson Combat 1911 in case I needed some quick cash, I could sell it off for a couple of grand.
Joe Demko
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Guys making claims are the ones who provide citations. Any undergrad knows that; so certainly a highly educated professional like a lawyer would also know as much. Since you can provide no citation about how common these homeless people are, I'll just go ahead and file the information under "empty assertions."
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Joe Demko: "Guys making claims are the ones who provide citations."
And I did -- to my own personal and professional experience observing and representing the people I described. Anyone who's spent any time in the woods of this state would probably be happy to confirm my observations, not that I require confirmation. What possible motive could I have to invent them?
What you don't understand is that I have nothing whatsoever to gain from sharing my experiences online, other than satisfaction in amusing a few acquantainces (not all of whom post here). Why in the world would I make up a completely credible and believable story like that; what possibly could be my motivation? Had I claimed to have discovered a lost Amazon Tribe along the Allagash, that would be different. Even then -- asking for a "citation" would be pointless, as true or false there wouldn't be any, obviously. Not everything gets written about a lot, and very little of human knowledge or experience -- a small fraction of one percent -- appears online.
Get out and poke around a few odd corners, and stop being such an internet skeptic. Instead of sneering "citation, please!", which is pointless and ineffective, why not explain exactly why you find my story incredible, or how your own experiences would tend to cast my claims in doubt? How many trips a year do you make through the Maine woods?
And I did -- to my own personal and professional experience observing and representing the people I described. Anyone who's spent any time in the woods of this state would probably be happy to confirm my observations, not that I require confirmation. What possible motive could I have to invent them?
What you don't understand is that I have nothing whatsoever to gain from sharing my experiences online, other than satisfaction in amusing a few acquantainces (not all of whom post here). Why in the world would I make up a completely credible and believable story like that; what possibly could be my motivation? Had I claimed to have discovered a lost Amazon Tribe along the Allagash, that would be different. Even then -- asking for a "citation" would be pointless, as true or false there wouldn't be any, obviously. Not everything gets written about a lot, and very little of human knowledge or experience -- a small fraction of one percent -- appears online.
Get out and poke around a few odd corners, and stop being such an internet skeptic. Instead of sneering "citation, please!", which is pointless and ineffective, why not explain exactly why you find my story incredible, or how your own experiences would tend to cast my claims in doubt? How many trips a year do you make through the Maine woods?
Indifferent
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I agree the 317 would be a great choice.
Babbalanja
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P5
Winston Smith:
Walthers P5. Its the last gun I would ever give up.
I like how this Smith thinks. The P5 is excellent and I've decided that it will be the last to go and with me at the end, which may well be on streets once used by motor vehicles. I might add that I have long advocated that the best way to save America would be to require a reading and UNDERSTANDING of 1984, but then I am a dreamer.
Winston Smith:
Walthers P5. Its the last gun I would ever give up.
I like how this Smith thinks. The P5 is excellent and I've decided that it will be the last to go and with me at the end, which may well be on streets once used by motor vehicles. I might add that I have long advocated that the best way to save America would be to require a reading and UNDERSTANDING of 1984, but then I am a dreamer.
rcmodel
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If the homeless are anything like they are here, it wouldn't matter what kind of gun they had.
They would just sell or hock it to buy more dope & alcohol.
rc
They would just sell or hock it to buy more dope & alcohol.
rc
rbernie
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Joe, for the thread win!
Min
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That's assuming jobs are to be had, that affordable housing is available, that affordable transportation is available.
Dan Crocker
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If I was homeless I'd pawn my gun and score a rock! Or, I'd go around robbing people so I could buy a rock! :-D
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