What happens when...

[C-D-P]

"Nope. I'm talkin' about doin' it on their own time. I know lotsa cops who reload on their own time at home. The only difference is that their components and equipment is free.

And...It's Tuner. No "R" there."

I don't know about you. But I would imagine that after working 4 12 hour days, they may want to spend some time with the fam.

But ok then. Sorry bout the R.

 

[rcmodel]

Have the inmates size, bell, and prime the brass. Then let the cops drop the powder charges and seat the bullets.

Hard to do that when they were doing most all the high-volume reloading back then on Star Progressive presses.

Probably be Dillons now!

rcmodel

 

[1911Tuner]

I don't know about you. But I would imagine that after working 4 12 hour days, they may want to spend some time with the fam.

What? Cops don't do anything except work and spend time with the wife-mate and chillun? No golf? No fishin'? No Sunday afternoon football?

Spartans, they!

Hard to do that when they were doing most all the high-volume reloading back then on Star Progressive presses.

Single-stage presses!

 

[Eric F]

ok so now we all know 1911 tuner has been endulging upon the C2H5OH lol!

 

[MMCSRET]

The ACLU would be on top of this so fast!!!!!!!! Back in the days of police revolvers for duty most forces of any size had a police armorer on staff with a staff to do the repairs and loading, stitching up torn leather gear,etc. Now its plastic guns, gear and patrol cars and everything maintained by contractors and vendors.

 

[1911Tuner]

ok so now we all know 1911 tuner has been endulging upon the C2H5OH lol!

Nah. Strongest thing I drink is Cheerwine and my own turbo coffee.
That stuff's pretty wicked, but I can still see as well as can be expected for an old man.

 

[C-D-P]

"What? Cops don't do anything except work and spend time with the wife-mate and chillun? No golf? No fishin'? No Sunday afternoon football?"

So now you are saying that cops should have no time off? Next I guess you are going to suggest that everyone works 24-7 365.

What kind of hissy fit would you throw if you were expected and required to come load the copiers with paper on the weekend, or if you were required to come in on your off time to load the Hobarts with wire? Or maybe bring the trucker in on his off time to fill the tanks with CO2 and Argon so he can take it to those welders the next day. But don't pay him fer it.

Yeah can you say strike?

 

[1911Tuner]

Cheef of Po-lice to the patrolmen:

"Guys...We've got an ammo problem. We can get enough for you to carry on duty, but not enough for practice. So, here's the deal. Ya wanna qualify, ya gotta practice. Ya wanna practice...ya gotta reload your brass. Any questions?"

Desperate times require desperate measures...

 

[Mannlicher]

just write a few more traffic tickets, and bingo, you have more money.

 

[1911Tuner]

just write a few more traffic tickets, and bingo, you have more money.

It ain't the money so much as the availability. Ammunition is dryin' up.
What's in the pipelines now is sellin' like there won't be any left by next month...and if the panic buying continues...there won't be.

 

[C-D-P]

Oh BS!

Ammo has gone up because the price of everything else has gone up. Its not like we are going to run out of lead or copper.

Demand has gone up, so price has gone up.

 

[Nate C.]

The training budget is always the first thing to get axed when the budget gets tight.

 

[1911Tuner]

Oh BS!

'Scuse me?

Years ago, it was commonplace for police officers not only to buy their own practice ammunition, but also their own sidearms. Some smaller departments didn't even supply uniforms. My uncle was a Coeburn Va city cop after WW2. He bought everything except the patrol car.

Things are tough all over. Everybody's gotta tighten their belts a notch until we weather it. City and county property taxes keep goin' up. So...what's wrong with a little corner cut here and there.

With the savings, the departments could upgrade some equipment...maybe hire a couple more cops. Maybe it could be diverted into their retirement accounts or even set up a fund for the families of injured and killed officers.

Seems like all you're seein' is a little extra effort. A little more work. Ammunition is getting to be expensive, and there's no end in sight. If your department cut you off completely, except for duty ammo...would you stop practicing...or would you start reloading at home so you could maintain your edge? And if you would be willing to reload at home...I ask you: What's the difference? Time is time and work is work...no matter where you do it.

 

[Ignition Override]

Scrat and fellow shooters:

Now that the Iraqi Army is reportedly transitioning from Soviet-caliber weapons to American AR-15s etc, will that also increase the price for our civilian .223 ammo, no matter when we bring lots of troops home? To be quite frank, I only buy Wolf .223, x39 and some surplus Bulg. x54R.
If only US-made ammo were available, I never would have bought my guns, the Mini 14, 30, SKS and M44. All were used except for the SKS.

I have no idea about Afghanistan's weapons trends.

The Russians ship lots of their ammo directly to some Asian nations.

 

[C-D-P]

"Scuse me?"

I was responding to this statement.

"It ain't the money so much as the availability. Ammunition is dryin' up.
What's in the pipelines now is sellin' like there won't be any left by next month...and if the panic buying continues...there won't be."

You were putting it off as if there would be no ammo period.

"Seems like all you're seein' is a little extra effort. A little more work. Ammunition is getting to be expensive, and there's no end in sight. If your department cut you off completely, except for duty ammo...would you stop practicing...or would you start reloading at home so you could maintain your edge? And if you would be willing to reload at home...I ask you: What's the difference? Time is time and work is work...no matter where you do it."

Nope. What I am saying is supply and demand is working. More ammo is being used, cost for production is going up, price is going up. Prices go up for ammo, both civ DOJ and DOD. So people buy it up. Driving the price even higher. So how do we drive prices down? Increase supply, but like oil, demand will not go down, so the price will not go down too much. But the dollar will go up(wait for it).

Increasing supply means more jobs. More jobs means more money spent in states. More money spent in states means the dollar goes up. It balances itself out. More jobs and money means COLA goes up, which in turn means wages go up, in turn balancing prices. If there is no growth, there is no balance. There has been some growth, but not enough to balance.

Economics 101.

"Now that the Iraqi Army is reportedly transitioning from Soviet-caliber weapons to American AR-15s etc, will that also increase the price for our civilian .223"

Ammo does not exactly sell on the world market like oil does. Iraq recently started producing their own ammo, but not enough to fill their need.

International trade is a good thing. We produce something, and gain profit from it by bringing money that we did not have in the states into the states from another nation. Dollar goes up.