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How does a group of youths get to this place?
I thought the "Flash Mob" attacks were bad and now this?
Random attacks by groups of young people. Pick an easy target and attack. If the first punch doesn't put the victim down the rest of the group joins in?!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45783310/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#.TvYvpxw0iTY

Aside from never going about by ones self and keeping ones head on a swivel, what should be the reaction to this?
I'm more appalled than ever before.
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The exchange was captured on video and posted on a hip-hop site, where it got about a quarter of a million views within two days. The teen was not arrested because police couldn't locate the homeless man to see if he wanted to press charges.
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What a joke. This is how Chicago responds to an incident like this? Does he want to press charges? I thought that the city presses the charges not the individual? When there are no consequences, no repercussions, why would it stop?
 
Clockwork Orange was interesting as a film, not so fun IRL. I believe this started a couple years ago as "happy slapping," where a victim was chosen at random for an attempted blindside one-hit knockout. By now it seems to have grown into all out wild dog attacks. Of course, if the intended victim is carrying and defends him/herself, the news will be full of images of the dead perpetrator in their 6th grade go-to-church suit and tearful stories about what a model child they were.
 
What a joke. This is how Chicago responds to an incident like this? Does he want to press charges? I thought that the city presses the charges not the individual? When there are no consequences, no repercussions, why would it stop?
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They need the homeless man to testify at trial in order to, at a minimum, ID the attackers. It would be a very tough trial without the victim.
 
The title suggests this behavior is new in some way, or radically different from past behavior. Shocking, yes. Adapted to the 21st century (use of cell phones to record or organize, blah blah blah), sure. More publicized, ABSOLUTELY.

But I think you are very wrong if you think this thing hasn't occurred throughout recorded history and most likely before.
 
I went to the store and saw a group of kids who looked out of place, suspicious, but I shrugged it off.
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Mindset. Skillset. Toolset. In that order.

From a strategies and tactics standpoint, when you ignore the signs of an impending attack or pass off as innocent circumstances that should not be, your skills and weapon will do you no good - even if these victims were to have had them.

Evaluate everything that causes your spidy senses to stir. Allow the situation to prove itself innocent rather than assume it is innocent until proven guilty. It is always easier to go down the mental preparedness scale than it is to kick it into hyperdrive.
 
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What a joke. This is how Chicago responds to an incident like this? Does he want to press charges? I thought that the city presses the charges not the individual? When there are no consequences, no repercussions, why would it stop?
They need the homeless man to testify at trial in order to, at a minimum, ID the attackers. It would be a very tough trial without the victim.
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I'm not a lawyer, you are probably right. I would however think that the video would be sufficient evidence. I'm sure it depends.
 
Sadly not new, actually it's rather common in some places in Europe esp. in parts of Briton during 'drinking' hours. Sorry but the older I've gotten the more I hate groups of teens in places they don't really have a reason to be. A group of teen, of any sex, just 'hanging out' at a park or on a street is enough to warrant my notice. Most are fine, but enough have the same type of group think that happens to drunks to make me leery.
 
I'm not a lawyer, you are probably right. I would however think that the video would be sufficient evidence. I'm sure it depends.
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The prosecutor's office could certainly put the guy on trial and give it their best shot, but I don't see a conviction being likely in that scenario.

Basically, you'd put a witness on the stand who could lay the proper foundation to get the videotape admitted into evidence. Then you'd be asking the jury to make their own ID of the defendant after watching the video, and find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, based on their own determination that the accused man in front of them is the same guy on the video.

As I am writing this, I thought of a couple evidentiary issues that may pose problems as well, but that's too boring for anyone here who doesn't have a JD.
 
Thanks for the information cbrgator. I find our legal system quite fascinating. Wish I had pursued a JD instead of B School.

I agree with JScott. If you get a bad feeling, trust it.
 
How do you win? If you stay home your "afraid". If you shoot the sob your going to jail. Heck even if you just fight back you run the risk of "Battery of a minor" or what ever they call it these days.
 
I know you may disparage me for offering perspective...

My heart goes out to the victims, especially the elderly.

But some perspective:

St Louis -- the worst hit city -- had 10 attacks in 15 months.

That doesn't sound like an epidemic to me. It sounds like ordinary idiotic violence.

Maybe, perhaps, sometimes the sensationalization isn't in the attack as much as in the reporting.


Of course, perspective doesn't help the victims. My heart goes out to them.
 
when you ignore the signs of an impending attack or pass off as innocent circumstances that should not be, your skills and weapon will do you no good....
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Yup.

The signs are pretty much all there.

Race, gender, clothing, location, behavior in the form of non-verbal cues, expressions, and actions. It's all there, and far more often than not, hostile intent is telegraphed long before it takes place.

How do you win?
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By not playing in the first place.

Recognize the intent, and either avoid it, or be prepared to defend against it. Know the law, and be prepared to justify your actions if you need to do so. The law makes NO distinction between deadly force used by an adult or juvenile, deadly force is deadly force, and you have a right to defend yourself.

When an individual/s has clearly shown the intent to cause me great bodily harm or death, has the ability to carry out intent, and there is an immediate need to use force, including deadly force, to stop their threat, than I will do so to defend myself, regardless of age or gender.
 
Because of these types of attacks, mace has been added to my list of things I leave the house with. Best defense is having your head on a swivel and paying attention to your soroundings. Along with my pistol and knife mace is on the list of things I hope to never need, but have just in case.
 
So the first time someone slips the punch and returns in kind with overpowering force; will the "Gang Members" immeadiatly become "Disadvantaged Youth?"
I remember reading "Serpico" years ago where he would dress the part of an elderly man and go out to attract muggers.....
One can only hope.
 
You know I would almost like it if i were the target. This old Marine would not go down easy and i guarantee there would be at least a few very busted up punks before i went down. Then again at 6'4'' and 310 they would not target me as they are looking for victims not opponents.
 
Once the courts started to rule that parents and teachers couldn't punish children, we as a society were almost doomed to failure.
 
A few nights ago I watched, "Best Defense' and they had a scenario on flash mobs.

The only thing I did not like was their 'way' was once they saw them closing in they backed off and WATCHED as they kicked/beat some poor old joe on the ground. They just did the 911 thing.

Folks, THIS IS SPART... I mean TEXAS.

If I can stop such a mob from beating someone to death I'll do it for what they do is wrong and any decent person who can should stop them. Calling the cops is ok, but it takes time for the cops to come, and when seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.

And unlike Chicago, EVERYONE HAS A GUN DOWN HERE, including the good guys.

Thank God I live in Texas.

Deaf
 
When I think of these kids doing this, one thought comes to mind.

I wonder if, by chance, they may be on some kind of program to receive free handouts from those of us who work.:scrutiny:
 
Never heard of this in Kennesa GA.

There in Kennesa the law is that ALL able bodied adults MUST own a gun. Even though it is only minutes from Atlanta, crime there is 1/10th of Atlanta's.

I wonder why?
 
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