what if i wanted something similar to the .357 magnum desert eagle L5

[labnoti]

hmm,i was kinda thinkin about gettin a 9mm glock.but i might just get a p226 legion and do this

.40S&W Glocks can also easily be converted to .357 SIG but what does that have to do with .44 Magnum Desert Eagles? The Glock and Sig are boring, unglamorous duty tools. The Desert Eagle is an ego-gratifying brag-gun to show-off, a movie-gun and a novelty.

You didn't answer the questions about what you are looking for, what you are trying to do with the gun, and what its purpose will be. I suspect you're just enamored with how cool super-powerful automatics are. In that case, what you need is a Webley-Vickers .50-80.

 

[JTQ]

The 10mm is the best fit given the desires stated IMO.

For small house/apartment defense?

 

[JTQ]

You didn't answer the questions about what you are looking for, what you are trying to do with the gun, and what its purpose will be.

Sure he did...

basically,im looking for something like this for home/small apartment defense.only in a handgun and not a revolver

 

[Jack614]

You didn't answer the questions about what you are looking for, what you are trying to do with the gun, and what its purpose will be.

someone asked on the first page,i already answered

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/pro...s&refType=&from=fn&ecList=7&ecCategory=444606

basically,im looking for something like this for home/small apartment defense.only in a handgun and not a revolver

apparently somebody responded and said this but i was typing it and didnt see

 

[Zaydok Allen]

For small house/apartment defense?

Sure. With a proper loading it’d be fine. Bullet weights run as low as 140 gr and and lower, and 155 gr bullets are common. They can be loaded under 1100 FPS too.

That seems pretty reasonable to me.

If the op has no interest or desire to learn to load, there may be better options, but the 10mm is not purely a hunting cartridge or outdoorsman’s cartridge. It can do anything a 357 magum can and still be pressed into home defense easily.

The longer I shoot it the more I realize I could give up my 9mms, 45’s, and 357’s and still have my bases more than covered with 10mm auto, especially if I picked up a G29 as a carry gun.

 

[Jack614]

If the op has no interest or desire to learn to load, there may be better options

what are the better options

 

[JTQ]

what are the better options

9mm, .40 S&W, .45 Auto.

These are rounds law enforcement carry, are offered in the largest variety of handguns, and are what you should focus on, with particular focus on 9mm.

 

[Jack614]

9mm, .40 S&W, .45 Auto.

ive looked at .40 glocks but ballistics wise(i guess specifically,those videos on youtube you can watch) the difference between 9mm and .40 didnt seem all that impressive to me

 

[JTQ]

Do some comparative ammo costs

https://www.luckygunner.com

 

[SharpDog]

what are the better options

Go look again at post #25. Likely I was editing it as you were looking. I progressed over the years from .357 Sig to .40 S&W to 9mm. For most uses a heavy 9mm is all you'll need.

 

[JTQ]

ive looked at .40 glocks but ballistics wise(i guess specifically,those videos on youtube you can watch) the difference between 9mm and .40 didnt seem all that impressive to me

Are you saying there isn't much difference between the two, or are you saying neither seem impressive to you?

 

[Jack614]

or are you saying neither seem impressive to you?

this,but i dont know.im mainly going by the 9mm vs .40 ballistics videos ive seen on youtube.maybe there are other factors then what ive seen that make .40 a more powerful round

 

[SharpDog]

this,but i dont know.im mainly going by the 9mm vs .40 ballistics videos ive seen on youtube.maybe there are other factors then what ive seen that make .40 a more powerful round

a .40 S&W 165 gr. standard pressure is approx 10 % more powerful than a 9mm 147 +p load. Both have identical ballistics and the 9mm pistol can usually hold at least 50% more rounds (e.g. 20 vs 12).

 

[JTQ]

Nearly every law enforcement agency (and military) either uses 9mm or is going to soon switch to 9mm. If you're shooting bears, a bigger round may be worthwhile, but if your concern - as you seem to have stated earlier - is defense against people, 9mm is perfectly suitable.

https://www.policemag.com/502150/9mm-caliber-of-choice

 

[JTQ]

... 9mm pistol can usually hold at least 50% more rounds (e.g. 20 vs 12).

Hey, I'm pushing 9mm too, but let's not exaggerate. In most of the comparable 9mm vs .40 S&W guns, the difference is between 17 in 9mm and 15 in .40 S&W.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

what are the better options

9mm, .40 S&W, .45 Auto.

These are rounds law enforcement carry, are offered in the largest variety of handguns, and are what you should focus on,

Jack614, I agree with JTQ on this. If you have no interest in loading your own, you loose a lot of the versatility of 10mm, and 10mm factory loads can get costly. Velocity combined with bullet weight is what makes the 10mm shine, but it has a wide variety of power levels. Use in a small apartment is perfectly doable for the 10mm IMO, but finding a factory load that is suited to that roll may be a little challenging.

9mm, 40, and 45 would cover your bases fine and 9mm is cheap to shoot.

with particular focus on 9mm.

Is it safe to assume cost, ease of follow up shots and faster mastery with the 9mm, magazine capacity, and limiting over penetration are your reasons behind this part of your comment?

 

[Jack614]

but if your concern - as you seem to have stated earlier - is defense against people, 9mm is perfectly suitable.

maybe its just a personal thing,but i kind of want something more powerful then just 9mm.but im wondering if by

a .40 S&W 165 gr. standard pressure is approx 10 % more powerful than a 9mm 147 +p load.

the videos ive seen where i wasnt really impressed by the difference between a 9mm and .40 S&W had more to do with the type of round they were using and not the caliber

 

[Zaydok Allen]

maybe its just a personal thing,but i kind of want something more powerful then just 9mm.but im wondering if by



the videos ive seen where i wasnt really impressed by the difference between a 9mm and .40 S&W had more to do with the type of round they were using and not the caliber

Bullet choice is important and can certainly impact performance. Generally speaking, for self defense Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot, and whatever the bullet Remington puts in their Ranger offering are good choices.

 

[Jack614]

Bullet choice is important and can certainly impact performance.

maybe thats it then,i dont know.im only going off the videos ive seen but i was more focused on the caliber then the bullets they were using.i do know im gonna use hollow points in whatever i buy though

 

[JTQ]

Is it safe to assume cost, ease of follow up shots and faster mastery with the 9mm, magazine capacity, and limiting over penetration are your reasons behind this part of your comment?

Yes, and 9mm ammo is more available, more guns are available in 9mm, and they generally accommodate more hand sizes than pistols based on .45 Auto/10mm cartridge size (1911 notwithstanding).

I'm not a 9mm fan-boy, I don't own a gun in 9mm, and I never have, but reading what the OP is asking for, and what seems like his experience level, the 9mm seems like the most logical choice.

 

[Jack614]

I'm not a 9mm fan-boy, I don't own a gun in 9mm, and I never have, but reading what the OP is asking for, and what seems like his experience level, the 9mm seems like the most logical choice.

i kind of want something with more stopping power then a 9mm though,but from reading 460shooters response.im wondering if a .40 and some good ammo would be something to look at

either way,im not against 9mm.it just seems like maybe there are other options out there with more stopping power then a 9mm

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Yes, and 9mm ammo is more available, more guns are available in 9mm, and they generally accommodate more hand sizes than pistols based on .45 Auto/10mm cartridge size (1911 notwithstanding).

I'm not a 9mm fan-boy, I don't own a gun in 9mm, and I never have, but reading what the OP is asking for, and what seems like his experience level, the 9mm seems like the most logical choice.

All good points. The focus of the OP’s needs have shifted from the original stated intent/need.

If higher “power levels” are desired then a 10mm is a decent option, but may not be needed at all.

 

[JTQ]

either way,im not against 9mm.it just seems like maybe there are other options out there with more stopping power then a 9mm

The FBI uses 9mm, the US Military uses 9mm...

 

[Jack614]

The focus of the OP’s needs have shifted from the original stated intent/need.

yeah,i guess really.the brand of the gun isnt that much important.desert eagle's have seem kind of to large to me which is why i specified the l5 because its smaller but this isnt the only handgun related forum people have had negative opinions about desert eagle's on,so i guess im just gonna look for other brands and whatever

 

[Jack614]

The FBI uses 9mm, the US Military uses 9mm...

and? the fbi has gotten to political with the trump administration(this is all political wise im going to bring up and respond to.since i dont want to derail this thread with a political argument) and last i checked,the us military is looking for a different side arm

but like i said,im not against 9mm.i just want something with more stopping power then 9mm but still good enough for home/small apartment defense