What if they held a revolver revolution and nobody told you about it?

tightgroup tiger said:
Hey Mark,
What's the accuracy like with that thing? I know it's hard to shoot because it has a really heavy trigger. I'll bet it's ear splittingly loud too.
That's 22 magnum isn't it?
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at 10 feet, about the size of a large pizza. It’s really good at 1-5 feet

and YES! it hurts my ears for Generations

and YEs! 2X .22 Mag
 
Pat Riot said:
Everything I have read about this Zenk sounds like this is a dream gun. A dream with no substance…yet.
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Regardless, just looking at their computer generated photos I don’t have much confidence in their design. If they ever make it I would like to look at one in real life.
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tightgroup tiger said:
I'd have to see it in person. Auto Cad models don't mean much. Just someone's pipe dream. When they hit the stores they are a reality.
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From a podcast I listened to, someone had talked to them at SHOT show. It it in fact a pipe dream, nowhere near production. Someone got a bright idea, and did up some graphics work to illustrate it.
 
I would look up "nobody" and thank them for not bringing it up in the conversation.

Dave
 
Monac said:
That would be swell, but $500 doesn't get you much in the way of a new gun any more. Can you even get a new Glock for $500 or less? I don't look at them, so I have no idea what their prices are. I think the CZ-75's I see in gun stores are over $700, and the start-up costs for those are 50 years in the past.
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I agree, there's no way that this Zenk sells for under $1000.
 
InTheSwamp said:
What was wrong with the 200 years old design that warranted that ugly thing?
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The entire concept behind the bullpup is more velocity for a given length and in handguns an extra inch of barrel with a high enough pressure cartridge like a revolver magnum makes a significant difference, especially if the barrel/cylinder gap is tight enough. I question how open the gap will be in the Zenk because I can see it getting clogged up with carbon given how there's an enclosure to keep the gases burning the shooter's hands. So, if the gap is huge and velocity is lost from that, what's the point?

For as complex as the Bond Bullpup is and I wouldn't trust it enough to carry it due to that complexity, it at least does achieve its goal in shortening the OAL and keeping the velocity high. The Zenk? Man, I need to see some independant chronograph testing of and how well it functions after say, 25 rds. I doubt I'll ever need more than 6, but I wouldn't want this thing to be clogging up like a cap and ball revolver after a few cylinders.
 
InTheSwamp said:
What was wrong with the 200 years old design that warranted that ugly thing?
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Not much. It could give a longer barrel length in a compact package, maybe. It's more the drive to be creative, and maybe make money by making something different that people might want. I remember when the Glock was new, and I thought it looked ugly and the the trigger mechanism and lack of a manual safety was a dumb idea. Or at least an idea that had been tried out in 1907, in the Austro-Hungarian Roth-Steyr cavalry pistol, and then went nowhere for the next 75 years.

I really, really don't think this thing is the next Glock, but I think it's at least as interesting as the Boberg-Bond automatic pistol. At least it would be if they could figure out how to make it work. Based on recent comments in this thread, I don't think they have, and I really don't see how to solve the loading/case ejection problem. And needing to have either a cylinder shroud or a gas-seal mechanism is a big problem too.

Now that I think of it, it might work with a gas seal mechanism, a special gas seal cartridge with an electrically ignited primer, an electric ignition system, and batteries in the grip. Heck, maybe even electric motors to rotate the cylinder and move it fore and aft for the gas seal. And an integral laser, and electrical connections for an optional compact red-dot sight. I better get to a patent attorney pronto!
 
Yes, the N frame S&W is a Triple Lock, and the image has been reversed. This is what it should look like.

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The two pins at the front of the barrel shroud and the small tab at the front of the shroud are the giveaways. The third latch of the Triple Lock was a single U shaped piece, the tab at the front is part of the latch, the lower pin held a plug and a spring in place and the upper pin helped keep the latch lined up.

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NIGHTLORD40K said:
Interesting, but not much room for a striker in there. I also wonder how it vents the b/c gap gases.....
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My guess is that the gasses will vent alongside the barrel for awhile, untill they cut their own vent sideways!

Also, speedloader use is pretty well eliminated. Looks to me that any good auto pistol has got it beat.

Bob Wright
 
They re-invent plumbing fixtures about every 20 years. If you don't believe me try installing a walk-in shower in a 30 yo house.

Does this new revolver chamber a new cartridge also? Missing a tremendous marketing opportunity if it doesn't.
 
CoalTrain49 said:
They re-invent plumbing fixtures about every 20 years. If you don't believe me try installing a walk-in shower in a 30 yo house.

Does this new revolver chamber a new cartridge also? Missing a tremendous marketing opportunity if it doesn't.
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No, it's in 357 Magnum. Supposedly. If they ever actually build one. More and more, I think firing a 357 in a conventional cylinder inside a shroud is a Really Bad Idea. In my opinion, BobWright hit the nail on the head about that in post #38.

Therefore, I think it should be in 8mm Zenk Electronic Gas-seal!, or 8mm ZEG! Electronic in the sense of having all the mechanical features normally performed by the trigger replaced by electronic or electro-mechanical systems. A new all-mechanical revolver at this late date is pointless. It's time to move into the 21st century and get integrated circuits, software, and a GUI into that sucker!

The "New Century" name has already been used on the S&W Triple lock back in 1907 or so (thank you, Driftwood Johnson), so I propose calling this the New New Century, or the N2C. I ought to copyright that ASAP. :)
 
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Monac said:
Oh, with so many rich people around these days, there's a market for expensive novelties. Recently, parked near my neighborhood, I've seen a Maserati, an Aston-Martin, and an exotic looking BMW, all brand new. I bet they all cost 6 figures, and for what practical purpose? If they can keep this pistol below $10K, they will probably sell some (if they ever make any).
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I would bet 90% or more of those cars are leased like they are here in DFW. Now maybe if you can create a revolver leasing program, you might have something!
 
Monac said:
I remember when the Glock was new
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Somehow, I suspected Herr Glock would be held accountable for the idiotic design discussed here.

The Glock wasn't the first striker, plastic pistol. But it did revolutionize the handgun market. It was the very first pistol sporting those features that can actually shoot, be safe - without the need of an external safety - and most important, cheap. Yes, up until now, it's very affordable for what it offers.

Now, what does the abomination discussed here offer?
 
I would like it more if it retained more of the traditional revolver look (apart from the set back cylinder). If it works then it is one gun that cannot be disabled by someone grabbing the cylinder so it won't turn. How about a shubby 2" barrel Zenk? That would really look weird.
 
Jimfern said:
I would bet 90% or more of those cars are leased like they are here in DFW. Now maybe if you can create a revolver leasing program, you might have something!
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That's true. I have a relative that leases his Porsche's and Mercedes'. Everyone of them the most expensive those manufacturers make. Not cheaper on the face of it but those vehicles are tax write offs for his business.
 
Looks to me to be a PDP: Pipe Dream Pistol.

I'm still trying how to figure out how to load/unload the gun!
 
lee n. field said:
I wonder if that thing would have been halfway decent if they hadn't tried the 2 barrel volley fire thing.
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That was the entire appeal to it tho. It would have then been a regular .22 Mag snub, same heavy trigger as a Ruger or Taurus or Charter.

And apparently worse customer service.
 
The Chiappa Rhinos are the real revolution in revolvers; the difference in recoil is truly amazing. Shoot a Smith 66 and a Rhino in .357, back to back.
They actually feel quite good in the hand, and the double action is smooth.
If the Zenk fired the bottom chamber, it could offer that advantage.
Moon
 
Put batteries in it and it looks like a heat gun. Put an electric cord on it and you have a blow dryer. Either way it’s just plain ugly.
 
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